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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 21, 2013 17:37:25 GMT -5
Apparently Joss Whedon did a live interview with Marvel.com and revealed two things... 1. This is not based on the miniseries. 2. Hank Pym will not be involved in the creation of Ultron. Comic Book ResourcesNot involving Pym just seems stupid to me. Ant-Man is already going to be a tough sell to general audiences, so to take away one of the most interesting things about him is just an odd choice to make. They may as well not even use him at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 18:00:38 GMT -5
You know y'all? I just can't do this anymore...
I've generally thought Joss Whedon was an average writer at best. The Avengers is one of those movies that while it's okay, it falls apart during multiple viewings. Once the "OMG! EVERYBODY'S HERE!" high wears off, the movie is just....eh.
I just can't expect anything better with this one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2013 18:00:50 GMT -5
I'm glad they are making this a different story from the comic series.
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Post by Sc on Jul 21, 2013 19:11:51 GMT -5
nah they need to get Thanos as the bad guy in the third movie so they can build up the anticipation like crazy... and then reveal it's just John Goodman being hired to act out some goofy space invader. the real bad guy will be the nebish loser corporate head played by Brandon Routh. Then at the end of the movie Bruce Banner will be randomly cured of the Hulk, removing his entire reason for being. Yeah, Iron Man 3 was a disapointment to me. Um, Banner went back to being Banner at the end of The Avengers.
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Post by Sc on Jul 21, 2013 19:14:51 GMT -5
if Ant-man does show up in this (I REALLY hope so) good. I love Edgar Wright but he's basically holding the character hostage at this point, and it's all because he threw a hissy-fit when they told him he had to use Hank Pym instead of Eric O'Grady. So why don't they just fire him?
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jul 21, 2013 19:22:08 GMT -5
Then at the end of the movie Bruce Banner will be randomly cured of the Hulk, removing his entire reason for being. Yeah, Iron Man 3 was a disapointment to me. Um, Banner went back to being Banner at the end of The Avengers. I said CURED of the Hulk, meaning the "other guy" gets removed entirely. Tony Stark having the shrapnel in his heart just removed as an afterthought was crap is what I'm saying here.
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Post by Sc on Jul 21, 2013 19:34:13 GMT -5
Um, Banner went back to being Banner at the end of The Avengers. I said CURED of the Hulk, meaning the "other guy" gets removed entirely. Tony Stark having the shrapnel in his heart just removed as an afterthought was crap is what I'm saying here. Oh I totally misunderstood you. I thought you meant that you thought Banner was stuck as Hulk at the end of The Avengers and it didn't make sense for him to show up as Banner in Iron Man 3. I agree with you about having the shrapnel in the heart removed being crap. If it was that easy, why didn't he have it done before?
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jul 21, 2013 21:47:37 GMT -5
if Ant-man does show up in this (I REALLY hope so) good. I love Edgar Wright but he's basically holding the character hostage at this point, and it's all because he threw a hissy-fit when they told him he had to use Hank Pym instead of Eric O'Grady. So why don't they just fire him? y'know, that's a great question. and I say that as a massive Edgar Wright fanboy. maybe Marvel doesn't have much faith in the character as a solo draw so they don't really care if it ever gets done (and even with Hank being my favorite Avenger, I can understand that viewpoint). otherwise, I have no idea why they stuck with him.
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Post by Legion on Jul 22, 2013 0:58:26 GMT -5
No Pym = Sad me.
My excitement level for this film just went from super to a lot less.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 22, 2013 1:11:51 GMT -5
I would prefer the Pym origin, but Ultron is easily doable without him. So I'm cool either way.
As far as Iron Man 3 and the shrapnel, I just took it like technology had advanced by that point that he could get it out where he couldn't before, maybe even based around Extremis. They didn't really explicitly say any of that, but I had no issue with it. Also (and no one in here has said it, but I've heard people say this), it's weird to me how people have been all like: "without the arc reactor in his chest he can't be Iron Man anymore".. which is so odd since Rhodey has had no issue. To me that just seems like an 'out' if they want it to be, but they can easily have RDJ hop back in the armor as needed.
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Post by DSR on Jul 22, 2013 1:21:04 GMT -5
Pym isn't a founding Avenger, and he isn't the creator of Ultron. Is there anything else kinda cool or interesting about the character they can attribute to someone else for the movies? Maybe they'll explain Hawkeye's absence because he's a woman-beater?*
*Which isn't even a thing I like about Ant-Man, but it's like the only defining characteristic left I can think of.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Jul 22, 2013 2:40:19 GMT -5
No Pym = Sad me. My excitement level for this film just went from super to a lot less. Basically. Sure they can probably still make Ultron work, but.....come on man......
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 22, 2013 11:45:38 GMT -5
They say no Pym but I'm willing to bet there's an after credits scene bridging Avengers 2/Ant-Man linking Pym and Ultron.
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Post by Legion on Jul 22, 2013 12:40:54 GMT -5
Tony will simply be creator of Ultron, as in that stupid Avengers kids in the future cartoon movie.
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Post by EyeofTyr on Jul 22, 2013 13:47:00 GMT -5
Yeah, not at all happy about the lack of Pym. And, I'm equally unhappy that it's likely Stark that's going to be Ultron's creator. For two reasons, one, it denies Pym a trait & arc that helps define his character. Two, it likely won't be done similar with Stark, as he'll likely not take it the same way Pym does and shrug it off with snark.
Also with the inclusion of Witch & Quicksilver in this, I'm entirely scared they're actually going to go the Ultimates route with Ultron, which likely means the Ultimate universe version of those two as well...Which is terrible.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 22, 2013 13:48:48 GMT -5
Yeah, not at all happy about the lack of Pym. And, I'm equally unhappy that it's likely Stark that's going to be Ultron's creator. For two reasons, one, it denies Pym a trait & arc that helps define his character. Two, it likely won't be done similar with Stark, as he'll likely not take it the same way Pym does and shrug it off with snark. Also with the inclusion of Witch & Quicksilver in this, I'm entirely scared they're actually going to go the Ultimates route with Ultron, which likely means the Ultimate universe version of those two as well...Which is terrible. Oh god I didn't even think of that... And nobody had a problem with it but Cap who was laughed at for being behind the times...
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Post by Legion on Jul 22, 2013 14:11:37 GMT -5
No.
They wont do incest.
Incest wont get them a PG rating.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2013 14:18:00 GMT -5
Or they could've combined Pym with Ultimate Wasp and made MCU Wasp the creator of Ultron...
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Jul 23, 2013 8:38:41 GMT -5
I would prefer the Pym origin, but Ultron is easily doable without him. So I'm cool either way. As far as Iron Man 3 and the shrapnel, I just took it like technology had advanced by that point that he could get it out where he couldn't before, maybe even based around Extremis. They didn't really explicitly say any of that, but I had no issue with it. Also (and no one in here has said it, but I've heard people say this), it's weird to me how people have been all like: "without the arc reactor in his chest he can't be Iron Man anymore".. which is so odd since Rhodey has had no issue. To me that just seems like an 'out' if they want it to be, but they can easily have RDJ hop back in the armor as needed. Because it's one of his defining charcter traits, an essential part of who he is. Hell, let's make a Batman movie where Thomas and Martha Wayne survive. After all there's no reason Bruce can't be Batman with his parents still alive, right?
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jul 23, 2013 10:45:11 GMT -5
I would prefer the Pym origin, but Ultron is easily doable without him. So I'm cool either way. As far as Iron Man 3 and the shrapnel, I just took it like technology had advanced by that point that he could get it out where he couldn't before, maybe even based around Extremis. They didn't really explicitly say any of that, but I had no issue with it. Also (and no one in here has said it, but I've heard people say this), it's weird to me how people have been all like: "without the arc reactor in his chest he can't be Iron Man anymore".. which is so odd since Rhodey has had no issue. To me that just seems like an 'out' if they want it to be, but they can easily have RDJ hop back in the armor as needed. Because it's one of his defining charcter traits, an essential part of who he is. Hell, let's make a Batman movie where Thomas and Martha Wayne survive. After all there's no reason Bruce can't be Batman with his parents still alive, right? or hey, let's do a movie where Iron Man's arch-nemesis has been re-imagined as a drug-addicted character actor just playing a role and the real bad guy is the generic smug evil flunky who to this point nobody took seriously... oh wait.
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