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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jun 5, 2013 22:52:37 GMT -5
Just think he is gone but we still have to watch Garrett Bischoff every week.
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Post by jimmyjames on Jun 5, 2013 23:30:02 GMT -5
Just think he is gone but we still have to watch Garrett Bischoff every week. And Wes Brisco, and Brooke Hogan, not to mention listening to Taz.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jun 6, 2013 6:09:03 GMT -5
This makes me sad. He seemed like an excellent choice for an OVW trainer.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Jun 6, 2013 6:18:17 GMT -5
There has been no word if he's gone as a trainer at OVW or not, I'm sure Kash is still working as a trainer down there and he was gone from the TNA roster a few months ago. There is no point in keeping Williams on contract as an on air talent if they don't plan to use him as one so they may as well get rid of him in that capacity.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jun 6, 2013 6:54:44 GMT -5
I can't call it a stupid decision, though I do wish he would've gotten more use the last 2 years
Still his TNA run consists of... 2 X Division Titles 1 TNA Tag Title 1 TNA Television Title 1 IWGP Tag Title
He had a nice run in the company and really, he was treated pretty well for the 3 years he was used consistently.
And Williams confirmed he is no longer working in OVW either. On twitter he said he's only disappointed he didn't get to train with Rampage. I honestly wouldn't be shocked if this was a case of Williams not being ready to just be a trainer.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jun 6, 2013 7:45:38 GMT -5
There has been no word if he's gone as a trainer at OVW or not, I'm sure Kash is still working as a trainer down there and he was gone from the TNA roster a few months ago. There is no point in keeping Williams on contract as an on air talent if they don't plan to use him as one so they may as well get rid of him in that capacity. Both Kash and Williams are not longer part of TNA and OVW. So they aren't training TNA contracted wrestlers there. I wish TNA realized without a strong farm system, they won't be able to mold prospects into the type wrestlers they crave. I hope they got a good replacement in mind.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jun 6, 2013 10:29:35 GMT -5
If you want to cut costs, release Hulk Hogan. Or at least wait till after Bound for Glory. That'd be like someone saying "The WWE should just release Triple H" when they started releasing NXT guys a couple weeks back. TNA is just getting rid of guys they don't often use or don't need. They still need Hulk. Triple H brings something of value. Plus, the ratings aren't in the toilet as bad as with TNA. What I'm saying is he's not worth the money they're paying him when they're still at the same point they were years ago.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Jun 6, 2013 10:42:17 GMT -5
That'd be like someone saying "The WWE should just release Triple H" when they started releasing NXT guys a couple weeks back. TNA is just getting rid of guys they don't often use or don't need. They still need Hulk. Triple H brings something of value. Plus, the ratings aren't in the toilet as bad as with TNA. What I'm saying is he's not worth the money they're paying him when they're still at the same point they were years ago. Except is anyone really sure just how much TNA themselves are paying him? What with Bellator and Spike shelling out as well. You've got to remember they've re-added a lot of old roster members lately and brought back {Spoiler}T.J Perkins as Suicide and cuts had to be made somewhere. A guy that's not been on TV for a long time and they didn't have any plans of using is a pretty good choice.
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Post by The Ichi on Jun 6, 2013 11:29:41 GMT -5
TNA just got a hell of a lot less technically sound.
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Post by SOR on Jun 6, 2013 11:41:13 GMT -5
That'd be like someone saying "The WWE should just release Triple H" when they started releasing NXT guys a couple weeks back. TNA is just getting rid of guys they don't often use or don't need. They still need Hulk. Triple H brings something of value. Plus, the ratings aren't in the toilet as bad as with TNA. What I'm saying is he's not worth the money they're paying him when they're still at the same point they were years ago. Doesn't he make like 35k a month? That isn't that much if you think about it. That's about 9000 dollars an appearance and he's probably helping sell 400-500 tickets minimum so they're breaking even with him. I feel he adds something to the show also but you have the right to your opinion if you feel he doesn't. Triple H brings something of value. Plus, the ratings aren't in the toilet as bad as with TNA. What I'm saying is he's not worth the money they're paying him when they're still at the same point they were years ago. Except is anyone really sure just how much TNA themselves are paying him? What with Bellator and Spike shelling out as well. You've got to remember they've re-added a lot of old roster members lately and brought back {Spoiler}T.J Perkins as Suicide and cuts had to be made somewhere. A guy that's not been on TV for a long time and they didn't have any plans of using is a pretty good choice. I heard 35,000 a month but Spike is probably covering some of it. I'd say TNA probably pays him like 20-25k a month out of their own pockets and the rest comes from Spike. That's just pure speculation on my part though.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Jun 6, 2013 11:49:01 GMT -5
20-25k of a three way split seems like a large chunk of the bill for TNA to be footing. If the number is 35k a month then I'm sure TNA is probably only footing about 10 to 15k of that with Bellator and Spike footing the rest. I really hope Spike makes the most of having Rampage on contract and give him some roles in other shows. If they're going to push him as a big movie star guy then they need to really spotlight the guy.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jun 6, 2013 15:51:29 GMT -5
Again, compare that to how much others are making with the company, and how much money could be put in. Plus, Hogan isn't used for house shows and stuff, just TV. And compare TNA today to TNA years ago. The buyrates were bigger without Hogan and the ratings were, well, the same. But the buyrates were bigger and now they're pretty much non-existent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2013 19:41:41 GMT -5
He still worked for the company? I honestly forgot all about him. He was really good in British Invasion (though I like London Brawling better).
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Post by SOR on Jun 7, 2013 0:25:24 GMT -5
Again, compare that to how much others are making with the company, and how much money could be put in. Plus, Hogan isn't used for house shows and stuff, just TV. And compare TNA today to TNA years ago. The buyrates were bigger without Hogan and the ratings were, well, the same. But the buyrates were bigger and now they're pretty much non-existent. Buy rates may be down but attendance is up
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Jun 7, 2013 0:40:39 GMT -5
Triple H brings something of value. Plus, the ratings aren't in the toilet as bad as with TNA. What I'm saying is he's not worth the money they're paying him when they're still at the same point they were years ago. Except is anyone really sure just how much TNA themselves are paying him? What with Bellator and Spike shelling out as well. You've got to remember they've re-added a lot of old roster members lately and brought back {Spoiler}T.J Perkins as Suicide and cuts had to be made somewhere. A guy that's not been on TV for a long time and they didn't have any plans of using is a pretty good choice. There is logic to that, and given that from what we've heard, most TNA contracts consist of Pay Per Appearance. So if Spike is footing most of the bill for Hogan, then clearly any other talent that has his/her allotted time knocked off the air really is just saving them money... Though, seriously, they have a bad roster size to time per week ratio, so them dropping some talent makes sense. Though, to put this into perspective, $35K a year is equal to $420K a year. If they are paying just $10-15K of that, then obviously it will in the $120-$180K per year range. So realistically it is the difference between a Lamborghini Aventador and a Lamborghini Gallardo per year. Versus how much was Doug Williams getting paid? And how much is T.J. Perkins getting paid? Are they being paid in units of Lambo? I propose we now use the Lambo scale (cribbing an idea from the Muta scale) to measure how much someone is getting paid, not counting bonuses due to likenesses, residuals, merch, or other misc. And we'll use the Aventador as the basic unit of measure (according to MotorTrend that as having an MSRP of $387,000) So Hogan, if he is making $35K a month, is netting: 1.085271317829457, or 1.08 on the Lambo scale. Now according to Paywizard.com, Sheamus is making $380K a year, or 0.9819121447028424 or a 0.98 Lambo. Again, compare that to how much others are making with the company, and how much money could be put in. Plus, Hogan isn't used for house shows and stuff, just TV. And compare TNA today to TNA years ago. The buyrates were bigger without Hogan and the ratings were, well, the same. But the buyrates were bigger and now they're pretty much non-existent. Buy rates may be down but attendance is up As for the buyrates vs. attendance, what? And I mean this for both ways: How much has the buyrates fallen versus the attendance increased? And what is the timeframe for both? Also what are the mitigating and contextual factors for this (Cable service coverage of the PPVs, changes in touring [such as Impact going on the road])?
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Post by DM91 on Jun 7, 2013 3:04:14 GMT -5
Oh thats just typical isn't it. They aborted his singles push, dissolved the awesome tag team run with Magnus and, worst of all, didn't release his action figure! I've been a long time supporter of our Dougie and I hate he's never been given the worldwide recognition he deserves.
Screw it, I hope HHH picks him up and pairs him with Antonio Cesaro. FUTURE WWE TAG TEAM CHAMPIONS! (yeah, it'll never happen, I know.)
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Post by aaronslip on Jun 7, 2013 17:48:42 GMT -5
He was a good hand, shame to see him go, but he was hardly used over the last year. Plus he got a bit of a gut. He did well to last for so many years though.
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Post by Steveweiser on Jun 12, 2013 3:36:05 GMT -5
He's doing a whole load of British indies now, including a huge one on Saturday at York Hall in London against New Japan young lion Hiromu Takahashi, which is the first match of Takahashi's European excursion.
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