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Post by subject2 on Jul 5, 2013 4:05:27 GMT -5
I realised I couldn't actually pin point how the original now ended...they were the biggest group in wrestling...around for years yet I don't think they ever had a proper conclusion?
Saying that I don't recall how The NWO Wolfpack or NWO 2000 ended...
Can anyone shed some light on this?
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jul 5, 2013 4:18:38 GMT -5
i don't think they really had an ending, just kind of fizzled out
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Post by Glitch on Jul 5, 2013 4:20:40 GMT -5
I believe the last original incarnation would be the reunited NWO that included the A team(wolfpac) and B team(black and white). You could argue that the start of the end for that was when Bam bam bigalow showed up, and kind shifted focus from heels not being just nwo guys. This nwo slowly dissolved and basically wound up as just the nwo b team(with Hogan telling each guy that they were the leader of that team) and their eventual in-fighting that would lead to their split up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 6:12:17 GMT -5
I actually liked Hogan getting a B-Team member alone and tell him how he's the leader. Then rinse and repeat a couple of times during the show. One moment, it was Stevie Ray, the next it was Horace.
Pretty funny, actually. Stevie acted as if he just hit the lottery.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 5, 2013 6:45:31 GMT -5
Not with a bang, but a whimper
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 5, 2013 7:17:26 GMT -5
I don't even think anyone in WCW knew when it died. As most of us know, Uncensored (March) featured an infamously bad double turn between Hogan and Flair. So, Hogan goes babyface. At Spring Stampede (April), Hogan got "injured" at the hands of DDP and the ringpost Figure 4 and disappeared for a few months. Nash, who had just been facing Goldberg as a heel at Spring Stampede in a rematch from Starrcade, ended up facing the newly heel DDP for the title at Slamboree (May) as a babyface somehow. Lex Luger and Scott Hall also had injuries at this time, and didn't return until after the nWo Elite fizzled out. We could say that these rapid face turns for Hogan and Nash killed the group, but Scott Steiner somehow remained in the group anyway and had the authority to kick Buff Bagwell out of the group after Buff accidentally cost Steiner the TV title at Uncensored. Then, after Slamboree, the Steiner Brothers would reform and Scott would induct Rick in the nWo, and they were officially in the nWo up to the Great American Bash (June) when Scott declared that the Steiners were too brutal for WCW and they were in the nWo because WCW sucks. This was despite the fact that they entered out to Rick Steiner's music (nWo guys never entered to their official themes aside from Hogan entering to Voodoo Chile) and guys like Nash were no longer making reference to the group aside from entering to the Wolfpac theme. Eventually, Hogan returns the night after Bash at the Beach (July) and wins the WCW title from Randy Savage, and Nash turns heel on him to challenge for the title at Road Wild (August). In the build for that match, Hogan ditches Hollywood for the Red and Yellow.
If you're looking for an official end point, you could look to the Nash heel turn, but they had long stopped making reference to the nWo as a super group, somewhere around Slamboree, going into the awful Nash vs. Savage feud involving white hummers and fecal matter. In fact, you'd think if Nash had an nWo backing him up during this time, you'd think he wouldn't have to rely on a reluctant Sting for backup against Randy Savage and Sid at Bash at the Beach.
Also, the Steiner Brothers being in the nWo also fizzled out as well, and to be honest, I wouldn't even know it happened except for the fact that it's immortalized in the infamous Sting match where they fed Sting to some dogs and declared that Baltimore was the shittiest town in America. They were hanging out with Tank Abbott at the time for some reason, and I don't think they ever said he was in the group. Eventually, Scott gets injured and Rick ends up hanging around Sid as two crazy heels that just like to beat people up. Scott wouldn't be seen again until his fake retirement in December where he joins Bret Hart's nWo in the first Russo era.
Incidentally, the nWo B-Team actually had an official ending to their group that occurred on screen, months after the main eventers stopped acknowledging the group's existence.. Stevie Ray would first turn on the group after they started feuding with Booker T, and they reformed Harlem Heat and won more tag team titles. Then, the final nail in the coffin saw Brian Adams attempted to break out of the group, and he became the Kiss Demon for one show. With the group in shambles, Norton went back to being a badass in Japan, Vincent joined the West Texas Rednecks as "Shane," and Horace disappeared until Russo's second regime where he joined the New Blood.
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Post by SOR on Jul 5, 2013 8:03:32 GMT -5
Here's how each group ended to my knowledge:
nWo Original: Ended when they formed with the nWo Wolfpac in early 1999 to form the nWo Elite group. At that time the group had a few big names in it including Hogan, The Giant, Bischoff and a few others. Scott Hall was sort of in and out of the group also.
nWo Wolfpac: Same as the original, ended when it joined with the nWo Original. Was the stronger group at the time with Nash, Luger, Konnan and Scott Hall was almost in this group also.
nWo Elite: Died in around May or June when Hogan was injured, Hall was injured (Or had left), Bagwell turned on the group and Luger had got hurt also leaving the nWo Elite to basically be Kevin Nash, Scott Steiner and Disco Inferno. The official end of this story line was literally a backstage segment in which Steiner and Nash had an argument and ended it.
nWo B-Team: Surprisingly lasted about a month longer then the Elite group. They really kind of just faded away after the nWo Elite group but weren't featured that much due to Norton being in Japan, Vincent barely being around and Brian Adams getting hurt or just not being around.
nWo 2000: Died when Russo reset the company but they really struggled from like mid February onwards, Nash got hurt, Hart got hurt, Steiner got suspended, Hall got turned face but then got hurt. This left Jarrett, The Harris Brothers and a few nWo girls. Steiner returned in March but it wasn't enough to make the group mean something again.
nWo (WWF): Died in like June after a number of injuries. Vince killed it in a short segment on RAW I believe.
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Post by cabbageboy on Jul 5, 2013 11:13:39 GMT -5
Yeah, let's look at 1999 here because that's when things went off the rails for WCW. I think Hogan was still NWO around Spring Stampede, though he was clearly veering towards a full babyface turn, while Flair was becoming the deranged heel. I never, ever understood the booking of that feud. First off, the long term money here was in Goldberg beating up all of the NWO guys that screwed him before tracking down Hogan. But that...just didn't happen. There was really no hint of a double turn either. In previous months Hogan had gotten David to turn on his dad, had the NWO beat Flair and leave him in the desert, etc. Flair was a total babyface. There was no shades of gray like Austin/Hart here, where Bret became more and more paranoid and Austin gathered cheers before the WM match. This was Flair being a total face, Hogan was a loathed heel, so of course in one match they just randomly turn both guys.
Anyway, Hogan's injury in April basically was the death knell on the NWO. The group kind of faded away. I think Steiner was still in it, at least in his own mind. The B list guys just did nothing, I think Norton was the last guy who ever wore the NWO shirt.
The 2000 version was brief, with Bret's concussion wrecking it before it ever got going. It semi stayed around and then the company did the April reboot.
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Post by osiris on Jul 5, 2013 11:27:15 GMT -5
Slight craw sticker. Hogan came out to voodoo child not chile. Though the songs are closely similar they are not tr same song.
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Post by chazraps on Jul 5, 2013 11:45:25 GMT -5
Didn't they reveal that the whole time the nWo was actually Hornswoggle?
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Post by thegame415 on Jul 5, 2013 14:20:10 GMT -5
I always kind of thought the unofficial ending of the NWO was when the logo changed. There are some random instances of continuing. For example, Hogan came back the night after Bash at the Beach wearing an NWO shirt.
All in all, the fact that there was never really a clear ending sums up 1999 in WCW.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2013 14:46:14 GMT -5
ell as I figure it, WCW ws loosing the ratings battle to WWF every week and everyone was paniking. During 1999, they began hotshot booking that changed every week and hurt everyone.
So to sum up, they forgot all about the nWo in about April. Then remembered it in 2000...but it was already over.
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Post by snopes on Jul 5, 2013 15:15:09 GMT -5
Slowly but thoroughly.
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Post by aaronslip on Jul 5, 2013 15:29:25 GMT -5
Its still going on in Stevie Ray's basement...
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Post by babyfootball on Jul 5, 2013 18:24:46 GMT -5
I don't even think anyone in WCW knew when it died. As most of us know, Uncensored (March) featured an infamously bad double turn between Hogan and Flair. So, Hogan goes babyface. At Spring Stampede (April), Hogan got "injured" at the hands of DDP and the ringpost Figure 4 and disappeared for a few months. Nash, who had just been facing Goldberg as a heel at Spring Stampede in a rematch from Starrcade, ended up facing the newly heel DDP for the title at Slamboree (May) as a babyface somehow. Lex Luger and Scott Hall also had injuries at this time, and didn't return until after the nWo Elite fizzled out. We could say that these rapid face turns for Hogan and Nash killed the group, but Scott Steiner somehow remained in the group anyway and had the authority to kick Buff Bagwell out of the group after Buff accidentally cost Steiner the TV title at Uncensored. Then, after Slamboree, the Steiner Brothers would reform and Scott would induct Rick in the nWo, and they were officially in the nWo up to the Great American Bash (June) when Scott declared that the Steiners were too brutal for WCW and they were in the nWo because WCW sucks. This was despite the fact that they entered out to Rick Steiner's music (nWo guys never entered to their official themes aside from Hogan entering to Voodoo Chile) and guys like Nash were no longer making reference to the group aside from entering to the Wolfpac theme. Eventually, Hogan returns the night after Bash at the Beach (July) and wins the WCW title from Randy Savage, and Nash turns heel on him to challenge for the title at Road Wild (August). In the build for that match, Hogan ditches Hollywood for the Red and Yellow. If you're looking for an official end point, you could look to the Nash heel turn, but they had long stopped making reference to the nWo as a super group, somewhere around Slamboree, going into the awful Nash vs. Savage feud involving white hummers and fecal matter. In fact, you'd think if Nash had an nWo backing him up during this time, you'd think he wouldn't have to rely on a reluctant Sting for backup against Randy Savage and Sid at Bash at the Beach. Also, the Steiner Brothers being in the nWo also fizzled out as well, and to be honest, I wouldn't even know it happened except for the fact that it's immortalized in the infamous Sting match where they fed Sting to some dogs and declared that Baltimore was the shittiest town in America. They were hanging out with Tank Abbott at the time for some reason, and I don't think they ever said he was in the group. Eventually, Scott gets injured and Rick ends up hanging around Sid as two crazy heels that just like to beat people up. Scott wouldn't be seen again until his fake retirement in December where he joins Bret Hart's nWo in the first Russo era. Incidentally, the nWo B-Team actually had an official ending to their group that occurred on screen, months after the main eventers stopped acknowledging the group's existence.. Stevie Ray would first turn on the group after they started feuding with Booker T, and they reformed Harlem Heat and won more tag team titles. Then, the final nail in the coffin saw Brian Adams attempted to break out of the group, and he became the Kiss Demon for one show. With the group in shambles, Norton went back to being a badass in Japan, Vincent joined the West Texas Rednecks as "Shane," and Horace disappeared until Russo's second regime where he joined the New Blood. The worst thing about all this crap was that even if you were a longtime WCW (and wrestling in general) fan, all of this made as little sense to you as a viewer as it would somebody who'd just started watching and knew nothing about any of these guys. As far as I was concerned by the end of it, I still liked Sting, Bret, Flair, Booker and Goldberg (in addition to a lot of STILL under-used midcard guys like Benoit), regardless of their "affiliations." I used to mark for Nash and the Wolfpac, DDP, Savage, Sid (believe it or not) and even Big Poppa Pump at his craziest, but by the end of this, all I wanted was for WCW to just stop with all this stupidity and push the guys I liked, who I felt would made the best babyfaces, instead of this crap where they just turned guys over and over with no regards to allegiances from just a few months ago. It all started when Nash formed the Wolfpac and had Sting, it made no sense to see him wearing any kind of nWo garb under any circumstance, although by this point he was made to look like a huge goof like every other Hogan opponent up until that point, except Goldberg. When they really started screwing Goldberg up with that ridiculous "new streak," it was just obvious to everybody, die-hards and casual observers alike, that they just had no idea what they were doing by that point.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Jul 5, 2013 19:32:35 GMT -5
The nWo ended with it's logical conclusion: Jimmy Snuka concussing Jeff Jarrett with a botched "Superfly" splash.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Jul 6, 2013 2:53:58 GMT -5
The nWo ended with it's logical conclusion: Jimmy Snuka concussing Jeff Jarrett with a botched "Superfly" splash. That wasn't even the end of that nWo iteration. Jeff Jarrett would return a few weeks later and lead an nWo consisting of....The Harris Brothers.
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Jul 6, 2013 10:52:26 GMT -5
It ended when Vince McMahon came out to the nWo theme saying it ws the last time we'd ever hear it. But then we'd hear it again as Hogan's theme in TNA . . . .
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Post by The Booty Disciple on Jul 6, 2013 12:11:47 GMT -5
Slight craw sticker. Hogan came out to voodoo child not chile. Though the songs are closely similar they are not tr same song. You're still not correct. Hogan came out to Voodoo Child (Slight Return). Voodoo Chile is a blues jam on Electric Ladyland that was initially titled Voodoo Child. There was a misprint on the first X amount of albums, etc, and now I believe it's officially known as Voodoo Chile on most releases. It's a dumb mistake turned even dumber by people not getting the facts straight... Unless they were lost in the move, my Hendrix vinyls should be somewhere. I do, indeed, have a copy of Electric Ladyland with the Voodoo Chile misprint.
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Jul 6, 2013 12:46:26 GMT -5
It ended when Vince McMahon came out to the nWo theme saying it ws the last time we'd ever hear it. But then we'd hear it again as Hogan's theme in TNA . . . . Well its not like Vince said he was going to destroy every single copy of the theme making it impossible to be heard by anyone
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