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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 18:02:12 GMT -5
Ref sounds obnoxious. Should be sacked Those responsible for the sacking should also be sacked. A moose once bit my sister. Mind you, moose bites can be pretty nasty.
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Post by turkeysandwich on Aug 13, 2013 19:11:09 GMT -5
Now that Black Ref #2 has turned heel, he needs to sell out to Ted Dibiase. Then we need the Original Black Ref to make his triumphant return being managed by Paul Bearer's hologram. I mean Summerslam is coming up.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 13, 2013 19:27:49 GMT -5
He won't be working tv and ppv, or anything for WWE for much longer.
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Post by The Tee Why on Aug 13, 2013 20:06:24 GMT -5
AJ obviously tapped out to Nattie's thickness.
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Post by Vampiro138 on Aug 13, 2013 20:30:21 GMT -5
Now that Black Ref #2 has turned heel, he needs to sell out to Ted Dibiase. Then we need the Original Black Ref to make his triumphant return being managed by Paul Bearer's hologram. I mean Summerslam is coming up. only if he brings his twin brother along with him! black ref tag team baby!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 20:31:47 GMT -5
Time for the original black ref Theodore R. Long to make a comeback.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 7:13:27 GMT -5
Only if Teddy proposes said-"tag team match, playa!"
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Post by Super Nintenjoe KBD on Aug 14, 2013 14:11:37 GMT -5
Seems to be partly both their faults. Nattie shouldn't have released until she was sure AJ was tapping (maybe thought she had already) and the fact that the bell hadnt rung or her music wasnt playing should have been an indication to her that it wasnt over before she started hand holding. And the ref shouldnt have just stood there, either call the tap out and end the match because even if AJ still wasn't technically in the hold she still submitted, or else if not he should have explicitly said to Nattie and the crowd that the match was still on because it was a close call like a 2 count and he would be within his rights to do that in kayfabe. But I know in the spur of the moment things are different to us just typing about it in retrospect with all the time in the world to think about what they should have done.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 14:51:38 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 15:39:02 GMT -5
GRAMMARSLAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by trollrogue on Aug 15, 2013 14:41:55 GMT -5
Judging on the ref's behavior, he plainly saw AJ tap out but since Nattie was sloppy about releasing her holds he was 1) either explicitly ordered via earpiece or 2) trained by his supervisors to not count that as a legit submission. Possibly as a 'training moment' for Nattie who was unbelievably sloppy all match long, especially when she gets an opportunity to have the Diva's Champ job to you it really leaves a bad mark on Nattie more than anybody.
As a fan it would make sense to say the match is over as soon as AJ taps out, but if you apply this logic to other match-types (i.e. Triple-Threats where a title is on the line) it becomes unclear as to who to award the title to if there is more than one person nearby. Imagine Zack Ryder diving to breakup Jinder Mahal's camel clutch on IC Champ Curtis Axel right as he's about to tap. The act of breaking-up the clutch is the extra pressure that causes Axel enough pain to start tapping out, so if the ref rings the bell right there who gets the belt under the aforementioned precedent with Nattie/AJ? You can argue it was Zack's interference that got Axel to tap, but it was originally Jinder's hold-- but Zack was closest to Axel when the tap out started as the ref rang the bell.
The ref's call was objective. If he rang the bell for the aborted submission, it ruins the kayfabe a little. You want to believe the ref is really there to enforce the rules, and things like this while painfully awkward to watch live go towards strengthening kayfabe. Nattie looked a little foolish but you have to properly apply the move before you win a match. You begin to see how just 'letting one slide' and giving Nattie the victory might've been something of a 'quality control' issue for the future: if wrestlers are sloppy the refs aren't bailing them out.
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