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Post by Andy Martin on Aug 29, 2013 5:03:44 GMT -5
It would have been good if... A) AJ was actually a ring general and could have legitimately made a claim that she could deliver in the ring whereas the others couldn't. Natalya and arguably even Naomi put her to shame. Natalya is the female Chavo. Knows the nuts and bolts, lacking in charisma. Naomi has great athleticism but just does spots, she's got to be carried. She's one of the few I find truly overrated. based on how she's talked about in this thread. I'd rather watch AJ wrestle than either of them, no question.
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Post by Lazy peon on Aug 29, 2013 13:42:18 GMT -5
It would have been good if... A) AJ was actually a ring general and could have legitimately made a claim that she could deliver in the ring whereas the others couldn't. Natalya and arguably even Naomi put her to shame. Natalya is the female Chavo. Knows the nuts and bolts, lacking in charisma. Naomi has great athleticism but just does spots, she's got to be carried. She's one of the few I find truly overrated. based on how she's talked about in this thread. I'd rather watch AJ wrestle than either of them, no question. Don't talk bad about the legendary Natalya on her birthday!
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 29, 2013 14:13:05 GMT -5
Actually I think Ziggler needed AJ. He's faded since Team Rocket broke up. She went for Punk I think because in her crazed state, she misread his kindness for actual affection. The whole Cena thing was a botch mainly because of Vickie. A Cena/AJ storyline might have worked. The reason she isn't doing those things with the people you mentioned is that it would be a step down for her. She's a bigger star than all those guys. Why put her with jabronis? Dolph Ziggler has faded because WWE can't decide what to do with him. They can't decide whether they want him in the main event or as a midcarder. My point is that AJ could've worked a romance angle with ANYONE, not just the top guys. Those other guys I mentioned are "jabronis" as you said, because WWE doesn't bother to do anything with them, just as they don't do much with the other Divas. By hooking her up with the likes of Cena, Punk, and Ziggles, they rendered her as being too big for the Divas Division. Maybe if it were Alex Riley, Drew McIntyre and Zack Ryder instead of Dolph Ziggler or John Cena fighting for her affections, those so-called "jabronis" could've kept AJ "in check" so that she wouldn't be so far above the other Divas. What would be the point of that? Why would AJ need to be kept in check, or held down to the mediocre level of the other Divas? The whole point in wrestling is to elevate talent and make them into bigger stars.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 14:16:20 GMT -5
Natalya is the female Chavo. Knows the nuts and bolts, lacking in charisma. Naomi has great athleticism but just does spots, she's got to be carried. She's one of the few I find truly overrated. based on how she's talked about in this thread. I'd rather watch AJ wrestle than either of them, no question. Don't talk bad about the legendary Natalya on her birthday! It's more like her birthmonth. Lets crlebrate her greatness and then dedicate a month to great Chavo. They deserve better.
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Post by Dshuks on Aug 29, 2013 14:49:55 GMT -5
It would have been good if... A) AJ was actually a ring general and could have legitimately made a claim that she could deliver in the ring whereas the others couldn't. Natalya and arguably even Naomi put her to shame. Natalya is the female Chavo. Knows the nuts and bolts, lacking in charisma. Naomi has great athleticism but just does spots, she's got to be carried. She's one of the few I find truly overrated. based on how she's talked about in this thread. I'd rather watch AJ wrestle than either of them, no question. Yeah except for the fact that Naomi spent the better part of her time on NXT/FCW carrying lesser talents and making them look better than they usually do (see her nxt/fcw matches with Aksanna). Yes she's been a bit of a spot monkey since she started wrestling on the main roster this past year but that's just because she's mostly been wrestling tag matches with Cameron and usually only gets to do the hot tags. When she has wrestled in singles matches she's done a great job. She even had a fun match with Brie Bella on raw a month or so ago
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 29, 2013 14:58:06 GMT -5
Naomi, Aiicia Fox, and summer rae are better workers than aj. NXT has shown me this. The match aj had with bailey was ok.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 29, 2013 14:59:07 GMT -5
They should do more with Alicia Fox. She's underrated. She's a decent wrestler and not too bad on the mic when allowed to speak.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Aug 29, 2013 15:03:03 GMT -5
I really enjoyed it, but I didn't understand why WWE would allow AJ to say those things. It doesn't help the show Total Divas at all. Then I didn't understand the Bellas and Eva Marie's reaction and no-selling of the promo. Not only that, but the director/producers kept going back to the shot of the Bellas and Eva Maria when their reactions didn't seem to be the way they SHOULD have reacted to AJ. Just a weird segment, but I did enjoy AJ's performance, even if I didn't understand the purpose of the segment and didn't like how the Bellas and Eva Marie reacted to it.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 29, 2013 15:03:58 GMT -5
The Bellas made me cheer them for mocking the skipping.
The skipping hurts the "cute" argument.
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Post by trollrogue on Aug 29, 2013 15:31:02 GMT -5
Naomi, Aiicia Fox, and summer rae are better workers than aj. NXT has shown me this. The match aj had with bailey was ok. From the submission clinic she had with Summer Rae on the latest NXT, I'd add Emma to the list as well. Emma also doesn't have to play the 'crazy flirt' gimmick to get over as a face/heel.
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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 29, 2013 17:22:06 GMT -5
I'm another that's been impressed with Alicia Fox's NXT appearances, in fact she's shown more of what she could do in those matches than the entirety of her time on the main roster. Surely it must be her turn to do something of note soon.
Although that goes to the heart of the issue, on NXT they get more time in the ring and the chance to portray a proper character, their matches are a major part of the show not a piss break.
Until the main roster divas lose the impression that they're taking it in turns to be the focus of the division it doesn't matter who is most talented or deserving, actually recent events seem to suggest that's slowly changing even if it hasn't been executed perfectly, it remains to be seen if that continues once Total Divas has finished.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Aug 29, 2013 19:17:51 GMT -5
I'm another that's been impressed with Alicia Fox's NXT appearances, in fact she's shown more of what she could do in those matches than the entirety of her time on the main roster. Surely it must be her turn to do something of note soon. Although that goes to the heart of the issue, on NXT they get more time in the ring and the chance to portray a proper character, their matches are a major part of the show not a piss break. Until the main roster divas lose the impression that they're taking it in turns to be the focus of the division it doesn't matter who is most talented or deserving, actually recent events seem to suggest that's slowly changing even if it hasn't been executed perfectly, it remains to be seen if that continues once Total Divas has finished. Like I've always said (and like PKO had been saying before me, to give credit where it's due), Alicia Fox really shines when given longer than 90 seconds to work. Watch any of her matches on NXT, Superstars, Main Event, basically any of her matches not on RAW or Smackdown. Alicia's got the stuff. It's just too bad she'll probably never get another bout on the big stage.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 29, 2013 19:22:17 GMT -5
The Bellas made me cheer them for mocking the skipping. The skipping hurts the "cute" argument. Heck yes. They are antagonizing bitchy shit stirrers. So in reallity they would mock her and no sell and try to make her words senseless. Skipping at the end was the best "all you do is skip" Alicia is the hotness to me. Emma is great so is paige. AJ is just as passable in the ring as kelly kelly was.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 29, 2013 19:30:28 GMT -5
lol
Kelly Kelly couldn't wrestle to save her life. AJ is far superior.
As for skipping, by the end of AJ's promo, the Bellas and the other one had been obliterated. It didn't matter what they did.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 20:03:54 GMT -5
I'm another that's been impressed with Alicia Fox's NXT appearances, in fact she's shown more of what she could do in those matches than the entirety of her time on the main roster. Surely it must be her turn to do something of note soon. Although that goes to the heart of the issue, on NXT they get more time in the ring and the chance to portray a proper character, their matches are a major part of the show not a piss break. Until the main roster divas lose the impression that they're taking it in turns to be the focus of the division it doesn't matter who is most talented or deserving, actually recent events seem to suggest that's slowly changing even if it hasn't been executed perfectly, it remains to be seen if that continues once Total Divas has finished. Like I've always said (and like PKO had been saying before me, to give credit where it's due), Alicia Fox really shines when given longer than 90 seconds to work. Watch any of her matches on NXT, Superstars, Main Event, basically any of her matches not on RAW or Smackdown. Alicia's got the stuff. It's just too bad she'll probably never get another bout on the big stage. Went to a house show on the 25th and she had a dope match with Tamina. Northern Lights Suplex bridge and errythang.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 29, 2013 20:12:40 GMT -5
lol Kelly Kelly couldn't wrestle to save her life. AJ is far superior. As for skipping, by the end of AJ's promo, the Bellas and the other one had been obliterated. It didn't matter what they did. Well I don't agree. I think it hurt her point. BUT most people wouldn't notice. So my differing opinion thinks it did matter...so matter of factly. But yeah Kelly sucks
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 29, 2013 20:29:13 GMT -5
If the Bellas say "you skip", all AJ needs to say is "yeah, to get to the ring, big deal"
And their argument dies. Like I've said before, all the typical things that the Bellas use in their promos like "you're ugly/fat/etc..." don't apply with AJ, so they've got nothing.
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Post by rybackrulez on Aug 29, 2013 23:48:01 GMT -5
Fivehead looking like a twelve year old
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Post by Dave the Dave on Aug 29, 2013 23:52:58 GMT -5
If the Bellas say "you skip", all AJ needs to say is "yeah, to get to the ring, big deal" And their argument dies. Like I've said before, all the typical things that the Bellas use in their promos like "you're ugly/fat/etc..." don't apply with AJ, so they've got nothing. But she was doing on stage for no reason. Forget any other diva. Saying she's not cutesy then doing something cutesy is contradictory. It doesn't diminish her point it's just a thing that happened.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 29, 2013 23:55:45 GMT -5
If the Bellas say "you skip", all AJ needs to say is "yeah, to get to the ring, big deal" And their argument dies. Like I've said before, all the typical things that the Bellas use in their promos like "you're ugly/fat/etc..." don't apply with AJ, so they've got nothing. But she was doing on stage for no reason. Forget any other diva. Saying she's not cutesy then doing something cutesy is contradictory. It doesn't diminish her point it's just a thing that happened. It depends what she meant. It could be that by "cute" she meant "only in WWE due to looks" rather than any definable talent, which has certainly been the case for many a Diva in WWE's history, and probably true for the Bellas and those two other nobodies on their reality show.
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