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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 22, 2013 9:50:09 GMT -5
It's the Divas. It sucks regardless. Ummm...yeah. This pretty much. There's a lot of stuff inherently wrong with this division.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Sept 22, 2013 9:54:25 GMT -5
I feel the same way. I like Natalya, and I think she's a decent wrestler, but I feel a lot of her hype is overblown and it all boils down to "She's from the Hart family" and "Workrate". I find nothing special about her. I think it's like the saying goes, if you say something often enough, people will start believing it's true. I'm actually a big fan of Nattie but I think since people have said for years that Nattie is the best female wrestler in the company, people just believe it and put Nattie up on a pedestal that she might not deserve. Although, I have to ask, if Natalya isn't the best female worker on the main roster, who is? AJ? She's fine I guess but nothing outstanding. Naomi is fun to watch but isn't that great either. Like, I get what you guys are saying and I do agree that Natalya isn't as good as some people say but she's, by far and away, the best female talent they have on the main roster, IMO. All of that said, it's kinda unfair to be talking about who's a better worker when most of these girls get, at most, five minutes to wrestle on TV each.
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 22, 2013 10:14:45 GMT -5
AJ's been putting on the restholds a bit much really, as I'm assume that's the WWE style but I can remember three or four matches of hers just recently that I've enjoyed - notably, Payback of course. The five minute RAW match she had with Kaitlyn in London was quite good too.
To those who are hailing Nattie as the best... why do you say that? What has she done in the past two years to warrant being viewed that way? Do you go out of your way to watch her matches with Naomi and Aksana on Main Event/Superstars? Of course some people may very do that but I get the feeling that Natalya gets by on her reputation rather than her actual performances; rather than her body of work. Unless people really loved her series with Brie, I don't know.
Okay. AJ isn't the 'best' wrestler but she's sure as hell impressed me more lately.
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Post by Sparkybob on Sept 22, 2013 10:23:36 GMT -5
I think it's like the saying goes, if you say something often enough, people will start believing it's true. I'm actually a big fan of Nattie but I think since people have said for years that Nattie is the best female wrestler in the company, people just believe it and put Nattie up on a pedestal that she might not deserve. Although, I have to ask, if Natalya isn't the best female worker on the main roster, who is? AJ? She's fine I guess but nothing outstanding. Naomi is fun to watch but isn't that great either. Like, I get what you guys are saying and I do agree that Natalya isn't as good as some people say but she's, by far and away, the best female talent they have on the main roster, IMO. All of that said, it's kinda unfair to be talking about who's a better worker when most of these girls get, at most, five minutes to wrestle on TV each. Yea it's really an opinion. There is no real right or wrong answer of course. I just think when people mention Nattie as the best talent, they say it in a tone where it's like Nattie is in a league of her own. I think she's easily one of the top diva talent on the main roster, just think she's over-hyped a bit by reputation.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 22, 2013 11:34:03 GMT -5
And it was a good one. There is still mileage in it. This one would have an entirely new plotline. It'd be better than the clumsy and contrived feud AJ is in now, and the nothing that Kaitlyn is currently doing. Was it really that good? All I remember is Kaitlyn not being over at all and mediocre matches. The matches were fine. Kaitlyn wasn't over that much because she's Kaitlyn and suffers from the same problems as Nattie, but it gave her something useful to do at least. A heel turn and Stephanie pushing her to become more vicious might be the best thing for her.
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Post by The Ichi on Sept 22, 2013 11:56:14 GMT -5
I keep watching Natalya matches, hoping to see what it is that everyone else sees in her to call her the better female wrestler in the division and every single time she's sloppy and botches at least one notable spot in the match. It's gotten to the point now that I no longer believe it and just think it's one of those weird wrestling myths people keep pushing. I feel the same way. I like Natalya, and I think she's a decent wrestler, but I feel a lot of her hype is overblown and it all boils down to "She's from the Hart family" and "Workrate". I find nothing special about her. At the same time though, I could easily say that I haven't seen a convincing reason for people liking AJ other than "She's a faux-geeky gamer girl" and "I like her backside". I wont say that because we all like what we like, just fighting one strawman with another.
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Post by rybackrulez on Sept 22, 2013 15:51:53 GMT -5
Where is aj's pass? Just as sloppy as the other divas. All she does is bump, the do chinlocks, and her finish. That is literally all she does.
None of these girls are good wrestlers. Let's be honest here.
People like aj because of that fake geek girl persona and her ass. Then they lump her in as the greatest.
She could have been on bangbros
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Post by Sparkybob on Sept 22, 2013 15:59:08 GMT -5
Where is aj's pass? Just as sloppy as the other divas. All she does is bump, the do chinlocks, and her finish. That is literally all she does. None of these girls are good wrestlers. Let's be honest here. People like aj because of that fake geek girl persona and her ass. Then they lump her in as the greatest. She could have been on bangbros Good thing you can read the minds of thousands of wrestling fans.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 22, 2013 16:06:45 GMT -5
Where is aj's pass? Just as sloppy as the other divas. All she does is bump, the do chinlocks, and her finish. That is literally all she does. None of these girls are good wrestlers. Let's be honest here. People like aj because of that fake geek girl persona and her ass. Then they lump her in as the greatest. She could have been on bangbros Good thing you can read the minds of thousands of wrestling fans. I do like how that response came immediately following Ichiman's
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Post by PKO on Sept 22, 2013 16:17:34 GMT -5
I think for a lot of people they do just assume Natalya is the best wrestler in the divas division, but I watch most of the divas matches so that's why I think she's the best.
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Post by Bootista on Sept 22, 2013 16:27:52 GMT -5
I like AJ Because she seems really relatable.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 22, 2013 16:44:55 GMT -5
I like AJ Because she seems really relatable. Really? So... you're a total nutcase?
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Post by Bootista on Sept 22, 2013 17:02:25 GMT -5
I like AJ Because she seems really relatable. Really? So... you're a total nutcase? No by Relatable, I mean someone I can see myself playing video games with.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Sept 22, 2013 17:03:27 GMT -5
I think for a lot of people they do just assume Natalya is the best wrestler in the divas division, but I watch most of the divas matches so that's why I think she's the best. Same here. That's also how I know that Alicia Fox is a lot better than people give her credit for. It's like the argument of who's over and who's not: AJ looks like she's the best wrestler in the division because she's the only one that gets time on RAW and on PPV. If you want a real assessment of talent, you gotta watch Main Event or Superstars.
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Post by mrjl on Sept 22, 2013 17:07:10 GMT -5
Really? So... you're a total nutcase? No by Relatable, I mean someone I can see myself playing video games with. oh, okay. When I see crazy people I generally try to avoid them...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 18:52:51 GMT -5
Really? So... you're a total nutcase? No by Relatable, I mean someone I can see myself playing video games with. I get that. She seems like an actual person rather than just a 1d caricature like the other total divas
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Post by Sam Punk on Sept 22, 2013 19:47:52 GMT -5
I hate it. It comes off like a bunch of catty, schoolgirl drama. These are supposed to be grown, professional women and that is not reflected at all in any of this dialogue. You're burying Nattie by making her talk. You're wasting AJ by having her fixate on all this driftwood and youi're wasting TV time by giving it to said driftwood. That's because creative is made up of a bunch of dudes that don't know how to write women characters.
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Post by trollrogue on Sept 22, 2013 20:17:40 GMT -5
I think it's like the saying goes, if you say something often enough, people will start believing it's true. I'm actually a big fan of Nattie but I think since people have said for years that Nattie is the best female wrestler in the company, people just believe it and put Nattie up on a pedestal that she might not deserve. Although, I have to ask, if Natalya isn't the best female worker on the main roster, who is? AJ? She's fine I guess but nothing outstanding. Naomi is fun to watch but isn't that great either. Like, I get what you guys are saying and I do agree that Natalya isn't as good as some people say but she's, by far and away, the best female talent they have on the main roster, IMO. All of that said, it's kinda unfair to be talking about who's a better worker when most of these girls get, at most, five minutes to wrestle on TV each. Alicia Fox can wrestle circles around every other Diva, Nattie included.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 20:19:21 GMT -5
Where is aj's pass? Just as sloppy as the other divas. All she does is bump, the do chinlocks, and her finish. That is literally all she does. None of these girls are good wrestlers. Let's be honest here. People like aj because of that fake geek girl persona and her ass. Then they lump her in as the greatest. She could have been on bangbros No no see I'm capable of forming my opinions outside of "she like sthe same stuff as me! maybe she'd have sex with me!" I don't play video games or read comics so I don't care about that at all. The girl's got a great ass, no doubt, but so does like, every girl they hire. I thought she was awful last year when she was all over Raw and an unlikable babyface, since she's been a wrestler this year I've grown to appreciate her. Yeah, she sells, and she's awesome at it, better than the other divas from what I've seen. And she does "restholds"...I hate that term, they're just holds, and I like holds in my wrestling. And as many others have said, she's not a one-dimensional character like the other divas, their fault or no. She's a good pro wrestler that seems like she's putting every bit of herself into whatever she's doing, and I admire that and enjoy watching her.
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Post by trollrogue on Sept 22, 2013 20:36:28 GMT -5
Where is aj's pass? Just as sloppy as the other divas. All she does is bump, the do chinlocks, and her finish. That is literally all she does. None of these girls are good wrestlers. Let's be honest here. People like aj because of that fake geek girl persona and her ass. Then they lump her in as the greatest. She could have been on bangbros No no see I'm capable of forming my opinions outside of "she like sthe same stuff as me! maybe she'd have sex with me!" I don't play video games or read comics so I don't care about that at all. The girl's got a great ass, no doubt, but so does like, every girl they hire. I thought she was awful last year when she was all over Raw and an unlikable babyface, since she's been a wrestler this year I've grown to appreciate her. Yeah, she sells, and she's awesome at it, better than the other divas from what I've seen. And she does "restholds"...I hate that term, they're just holds, and I like holds in my wrestling. And as many others have said, she's not a one-dimensional character like the other divas, their fault or no. She's a good pro wrestler that seems like she's putting every bit of herself into whatever she's doing, and I admire that and enjoy watching her. AJ and (the actual winner of NXT3) Kaitlyn are following the 'new blood' track towards being a Superstar that the other NXT/FCW rookies like Fandango and Ryback and The Shield have done of late. As such they get huge pushes (AJ's run as crazy GM of RAW, Kaitlyn's Diva's short-short-short title run yet she had a nice build with the AJ feud) as a way to establish themselves into the WWE pecking order, before their push is normalized to fit in with the other veteran talent. The Divas Division is in such a mess with multiple 'future endeavors' and them building up Awesome Kong only to lose her suddenly right after she made the Divas Division on the whole job out. AJ is kinda the Savior at the moment, and the Total Divas storyline is kinda a reverse-NXT opportunity for Nattie and the Bellas (Naomi and Cameron obviously have already been on NXT and Tough Enough, respectively, so they're getting a double-push seeing as how they really didn't make any splash after their reality shows finished airing unlike AJ/Kaitlyn did). I think after the Total Divas season runs its course, things will normalize and AJ will find herself suddenly in an actual Division where there are serious threats to her own overness (Brie Bella in particular everyone needs to keep their eyes on. She's being groomed to be a legit version of Michelle McCool seems like!) I just wish they would give something more for Alicia Fox to do. Being AJ's lackey, and having no set heel/face alignment is a tragedy for possibly their best pure female worker on the roster.
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