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Post by celticjobber on Oct 16, 2013 5:01:54 GMT -5
When worlds collide (if you never watched One Life To Live, you might not know who those women are)... Melissa Archer and Great Khali Erika Slezak and Sgt. Slaughter
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Post by salsashark on Oct 16, 2013 5:56:19 GMT -5
Damn, salsashark. Awesome post. Aw, thank you!
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Post by Essential1 on Oct 16, 2013 6:11:02 GMT -5
This is SOAP OPERA acting baby! But it's SPORTS ENTERTAINMENT, cheesy as hell and still somehow better than most of the shows on TV today.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Oct 16, 2013 6:21:16 GMT -5
It is a soap opera for men. That's exactly what it is. As much as we consider it to be an art form and as much emotion as we sometimes get out of it, it IS a soap opera. This may not apply as much in the US, but over here, soap operas will randomly have moments of legitimately great storytelling and acting just like wrestling does.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 17:24:47 GMT -5
I feel many many missed my point, because I was saying that it IS used as a criticism much of the time from people that don't like it. I'm not denying the accuracy of the term. Just that the response should be..."so?"
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Post by frogsplash45 on Oct 16, 2013 17:28:12 GMT -5
Comic books crossed with soap opera.
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 16, 2013 17:33:21 GMT -5
Soap operas are better written
In days past, wrestling was compelling. These days it isn't.
A better description would be "a variety show for guys, if the variety show was written by idiots"
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Oct 16, 2013 17:35:59 GMT -5
When worlds collide (if you never watched One Life To Live, you might not know who those women are)... Melissa Archer and Great Khali Teenage me had such a huge crush on Melissa Archer
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Oct 16, 2013 17:37:09 GMT -5
I've never liked this term.
I like to see pro wrestling as the closest we'll ever have to live action shounen anime.
And with that connotation, it makes it kinda awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 18:01:42 GMT -5
There's a reason that comparison exists, you know.
Even if you eat, sleep and breathe wrestling, somewhere deep inside you, you know that it's dumb as hell.
To call it a male soap opera is almost too complimentary imo.
Soaps owns some women's souls, I can't even do two hours of 'rasslin without getting sidetracked. (usually because of soapy bullsnark tbqh)
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on Oct 16, 2013 18:01:49 GMT -5
If anything, the term is appropriate, to say nothing about complex, serialized narrative. The origin of the term 'soap opera' is one where the narrative of the story was interrupted by commercial advertisements aimed at women listeners, the ones to be at home to listen or watch these advertisements while men were out of the home to work, to purchase soap products for domestic use. WWE often interrupts the narrative of the action of the story to advertise its own products (PPVs, DVDS, other TV shows, merchandise) and the products of other companies (in the past few years, characters interacting with fast food product placement comes to mind). Given that the male demographic tends to be the gendered majority when it comes to the WWE product, if not perhaps professional wrestling as a whole, then the term 'soap opera for guys' when considering the history of commercial advertisement is entirely apt. OK, you know what the OP was really asking, but you decided to show off you knew where the term soap opera came from instead. lmgtfy.com/?q=soap+operaIt's not really showing off when looking up the history of the term isn't that hard to do. It's like how the definition of 'literally' has changed given its social usage: if anything, most shows that are deemed 'soap operas' really are not, i.e. they really are not trying to sell you something by interrupting the show (bar the exceptions of commercials, natrually), at least according to the historical definition of the term. That the term itself has changed over time to mean something that originally it did not (or at least did not 100%) suggests that 'soap operas for guys' is historically and definitionally accurate and really should not connote any sort of malignant intent, i.e. the same way 'melodrama' has because the history of what the definition of what the word means has been forgotten (which even shows up in the Wiki article write-up for 'soap opera', the first hit as shown in the LMGTFY link I posted).
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Post by waitingforjune on Oct 16, 2013 18:12:45 GMT -5
I've been getting my girlfriend into wrestling lately, and while I've used the "male soap opera" analogy, I've mostly referred to it as "athletic theatre". I like the ring of it, and it's mostly connotation-neutral (I think so, at least).
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Post by salsashark on Oct 16, 2013 18:47:56 GMT -5
I feel many many missed my point, because I was saying that it IS used as a criticism much of the time from people that don't like it. I'm not denying the accuracy of the term. Just that the response should be..."so?" Not to be a dick, but what discussion can this potentially provoke? I guess my response to the "soap opera" thing would be "So?" too. In other news, I can't decide what forms I think are ultimately closer to each other: wrestling and soap operas, or wrestling and porn. I think porn wins.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 18:53:28 GMT -5
I feel many many missed my point, because I was saying that it IS used as a criticism much of the time from people that don't like it. I'm not denying the accuracy of the term. Just that the response should be..."so?" Not to be a dick, but what discussion can this potentially provoke? I guess my response to the "soap opera" thing would be "So?" too. In other news, I can't decide what forms I think are ultimately closer to each other: wrestling and soap operas, or wrestling and porn. I think porn wins. Haha, yeah. Didn't really think it through I guess. Just wanted to make a point, though I did learn that soap opera has a negative connotation in terms of quality, which I didn't really realize before. I thought it was just the fact that there's some defined characters and on-going continuity and each episode ideally ends in DUN DUN DUN....fashion.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Oct 16, 2013 19:41:37 GMT -5
The only time that the soap opera for guys thing ever really rang true was during the Attitude Era.
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Post by Essential1 on Oct 16, 2013 23:55:01 GMT -5
UK soaps are crap. Atleaat WWE pokes fun at itself throughout the show instead of trying to be SRS all the time. I find most of WWE comedy better than soaps....well as long as it doesn't involve Khali,Hornswoggle and Santino.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 17, 2013 17:23:15 GMT -5
Honestly my reaction when people use this criticism when I say I like wrestling is basically to laugh and say "yeah that about covers it". Even if its delivered dismissively, I try not to be so insecure and defensive over wrestling to the point where I can't even accept the criticisms that are honestly kinda true.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 17, 2013 17:29:56 GMT -5
Though I admit I do wish that the WWE could have writing, storytelling, and such on the level of a show Breaking Bad rather than the level of soap operas I'd just like to see what that would look like. I'm fine with things as they are, but seeing WWE taken over by some super talented showrunner from cable who is intent on WWE becoming a respected medium on a mainstream level because they have a passion for the artform would be so cool. Its one of those never going to happen things that you can only dream about though.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Oct 17, 2013 17:48:00 GMT -5
Comic books crossed with soap opera. Yaknow now that you mention it I think wrestling might even have more in common with comics than it does with soaps... Good call
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