Onlookers tweet/pic woman's sexual assault instead of helpin

[Sparkybob]

Oct 17, 2013 13:30:13 GMT -5 Koda, Master Crunchyroller said:

Oct 17, 2013 13:18:34 GMT -5 Sparkybob said:

So, and correct me if I'm wrong, You wouldn't be opposed if drunk driving wasn't made illegal?

No I would be opposed to it. People should take reslonsibility for what they do regardless of being sober or intoxicated. You drink and drive, your ass goes to the slammer if you get caught.

However that being said I think laws regarding criminal acts done while intoxicated should all be handled the same way. In other words if you drink and drive you tend to only be in serious trouble if you are over a .08 level. Since that was deemed to be the level where driving is bad, there needs to be set levels for other intoxicated criminal acts. For example with drunken sex it currently seems to be an all or nothing thing. You're drunk, you can't give consent at all. That's crap.

Oh ok that's cool. Just was confused by your wording that's all.

[The Scuba Guy]

I was actually at OU that night for work.

Walked into the bank they did it on just hours earlier, and stayed the night at a buddy's place just blocks away.

Crazy stuff.

[Toxik916]

Oct 17, 2013 13:29:32 GMT -5 Sektor said:

Oct 17, 2013 13:04:40 GMT -5 Toxik916 said:

By that logic people that drink and drive shouldn't be held accountable for decisions they made while drunk. Being drunk does not excuse a person from the consequences of their actions so just being drunk is not a good enough reason to claim rape.

There is a huge difference between being violated while being passed out drunk and drunkenly hooking up with someone and regretting it later. The latter should have no legal recourse unless they were truly raped(held down against their will, passed out, said no, etc).

If 100% of drunken rape claims were just a woman regretting it, you'd be right. But I think we both know that's not true. There's been plenty of times where a woman is pressured into drinking too much by horny guys trying to get in her pants, but I don't know that I've ever heard of someone getting pressured into drinking a ton so that they can go joyriding. That's the difference.

I get exactly what you're saying, but just because some assholes get people drunk to have sex with them does not mean every person that has had sex with a drunk person can/should be charged with rape. I just find these drunk consent laws to be very similar to the zero tolerance laws/rules that take away people's ability to do some critical thinking before making a proper decision.

[Deleted]

If she was passed out drunk or told the guy no then i can see this as rape but wasn't one of the pics her pushing his head into her crotch

[HMARK Center]

Quick note: statistically speaking, there's no real proof that there's any sort of epidemic of women having "regrettable drunken hookups" and reporting a guy for rape. I'll try to check for the studies when I get a chance, but it's a ridiculously small number of cases.

[Long A, Short A]

I posted this video because many of the comments in this thread and threads like it display a murky grasp of consent. I feel real bad for the woman in Ghidorah's second post. Not just because she was raped, but because rape culture has her mind f***ed.

[kidglov3s]

Oct 17, 2013 21:06:18 GMT -5 Long A, Short A said:

I posted this video because many of the comments in this thread and threads like it display a murky grasp of consent. I feel real bad for the woman in Ghidorah's second post. Not just because she was raped, but because rape culture has her mind f***ed.

Well, it's really not hard to see that this is still the kind of place that thinks men suffer from media bias more than women.

[Sparkybob]

Oct 17, 2013 14:26:48 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Quick note: statistically speaking, there's no real proof that there's any sort of epidemic of women having "regrettable drunken hookups" and reporting a guy for rape. I'll try to check for the studies when I get a chance, but it's a ridiculously small number of cases.

Well even if the number is statistically insignificant, you still need to be aware that it can still happen. Those numbers are nice and all but you can't use it as any sort of evidence as of what occur in this specific scenario.

[Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen]

Oct 17, 2013 21:22:52 GMT -5 Sparkybob said:

Oct 17, 2013 14:26:48 GMT -5 HMARK Center said:

Quick note: statistically speaking, there's no real proof that there's any sort of epidemic of women having "regrettable drunken hookups" and reporting a guy for rape. I'll try to check for the studies when I get a chance, but it's a ridiculously small number of cases.

Well even if the number is statistically insignificant, you still need to be aware that it can still happen. Those numbers are nice and all but you can't use it as any sort of evidence as of what occur in this specific scenario.

As someone who has had a friend of the family do jail time for rape after a drunken hook-up (the accuser admitted as much many years after the alleged rapist had been in jail), I know that it can happen.

[Starshine]

Oct 17, 2013 13:29:32 GMT -5 Sektor said:

Oct 17, 2013 13:04:40 GMT -5 Toxik916 said:

By that logic people that drink and drive shouldn't be held accountable for decisions they made while drunk. Being drunk does not excuse a person from the consequences of their actions so just being drunk is not a good enough reason to claim rape.

There is a huge difference between being violated while being passed out drunk and drunkenly hooking up with someone and regretting it later. The latter should have no legal recourse unless they were truly raped(held down against their will, passed out, said no, etc).

If 100% of drunken rape claims were just a woman regretting it, you'd be right. But I think we both know that's not true. There's been plenty of times where a woman is pressured into drinking too much by horny guys trying to get in her pants, but I don't know that I've ever heard of someone getting pressured into drinking a ton so that they can go joyriding. That's the difference.

See unless he's physically funneling it into her, or slipping a mickey, I can't support this line of thought. I mean, if a woman chooses to drink, regardless of peer pressure which isn't a crime in itself, and ends up willingly having sex with a guy while intoxicated, unless she passes out before the deed I don't see how that's rape.

Honestly this type of reasoning feels a little sexist in that it almost promotes thoughts that women just can't control themselves when they drink.

[Deleted]

Oct 17, 2013 22:12:08 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Oct 17, 2013 13:29:32 GMT -5 Sektor said:

If 100% of drunken rape claims were just a woman regretting it, you'd be right. But I think we both know that's not true. There's been plenty of times where a woman is pressured into drinking too much by horny guys trying to get in her pants, but I don't know that I've ever heard of someone getting pressured into drinking a ton so that they can go joyriding. That's the difference.

See unless he's physically funneling it into her, or slipping a mickey, I can't support this line of thought. I mean, if a woman chooses to drink, regardless of peer pressure which isn't a crime in itself, and ends up willingly having sex with a guy while intoxicated, unless she passes out before the deed I don't see how that's rape.

Honestly this type of reasoning feels a little sexist in that it almost promotes thoughts that women just can't control themselves when they drink.

Exactly if being drunk and agreeing to sex is rape than my god i guess me and my friends are all rapists because it was pretty much normal for us to get drunk along with girls and have sex at high school parties or maybe we were the ones being raped

[King Ghidorah]

Oct 17, 2013 21:15:50 GMT -5 kidglov3s said:

Oct 17, 2013 21:06:18 GMT -5 Long A, Short A said:

I posted this video because many of the comments in this thread and threads like it display a murky grasp of consent. I feel real bad for the woman in Ghidorah's second post. Not just because she was raped, but because rape culture has her mind f***ed.

Well, it's really not hard to see that this is still the kind of place that thinks men suffer from media bias more than women.

So you believe women suffer more?

[kidglov3s]

Oct 17, 2013 23:18:54 GMT -5 King Ghidorah said:

Oct 17, 2013 21:15:50 GMT -5 kidglov3s said:

Well, it's really not hard to see that this is still the kind of place that thinks men suffer from media bias more than women.

So you believe women suffer more?

Exactly.

This forum is many things, many good things, but a solid foundation for consciousness raising or a feminist space it is not.

[Drillbit Taylor]

Oct 17, 2013 2:50:13 GMT -5 King Ghidorah said:

Horrific photos of an alleged rape in progress have been shared on social media after crowds at a college homecoming celebration chose to take pictures and videos of the sex act rather than stopping it. The woman seen receiving oral sex in the photos and videos reportedly had no idea what happened to her until the next morning when she saw the photos online. Many of the photos of incident have been taken down by the Instagram users who originally posted them, but news sites like Buzzfeed have republished them. The woman in the photos contacted the police on Sunday and reported the rape to the Athens, Ohio police department. Police have confirmed that a sexual assault was reported on Sunday, but they have not said if the victim in question is the woman seen wearing a green top, jeans and brown boots in the photos online.

The captions of the photos indicate that the incident happened on Court Street over Ohio University's homecoming weekend. That same street is where the school's marching band performed earlier on Saturday, with a large crowd filling the street. In one of the most graphic photos- which shows the man kneeling in front of the woman as she leans against a Chase bank- makes it clear that there were onlookers just feet away from the incident as it was in progress.
That photo was sent over Twitter to a person who runs one of the biggest revenge porn websites, indicating that the photographer was trying to get it published. That Twitter user has since deleted their account but they were not the only one to witness the incident. 'Still can believe a dude was ****** *** on court street Saturday night in front of like 10 people,' a different Twitter user wrote.

Not only was the scene of the alleged crime a busy street but it was also one block away from the police station. Police are still investigating the case but the community is already going on the attack. 'Some of us are really angered and disappointed that no one intervened and they just filmed it,' said Allie Erwin, a student at Ohio University who leads an anti-rape group on campus. 'Their first impulse was to share it on social media and make a mockery of something that was probably the worst thing that’s ever happened to her. There are other people who saw it as her asking for it and think it’s a joke. Basically they’re slut-shaming her for what happened,' she said according to Metro.

'The response on social media is kind of heartbreaking, how harsh and cruel people are being.'

'I don't know that we have a set time yet but we have a time frame we're working with,' police captain Ralph Harvey told local paper The Athens Messenger.

'We’re looking at every aspect and everything that could possibly be a factor.

'Whether (alcohol) was a factor or not may or may not have a bearing on the investigation, so it’s not something we would focus on, especially initially.'

Mr Harvey said that the videos are being used in the case but that by no means equates to an open-and-shut case.

'Any videos have to viewed with a grain of salt, even if they are the actual videos, because while it’s generally believed the video doesn’t lie, it’s one perspective on something,' he said.

'A lot of times you get some piece of evidence that’s the "smoking gun" when in reality that leads you to something else that makes you question something else you thought was an absolute, positive truth and maybe it’s not.


www.njnewsday.com/national/12018-passersby-take-photos-and-videos-of-a-woman-being-raped-on-the-sidewalk-during-a-college-homecoming.html

That picture of the woman laied out next to the gate...


Yea in the full NSFW pic of them going at it she has black boots and a black undershirt and hunter green jacket. The one on the street does not have black boots, but high brown boots and there does not seem to be an undershirt and a brighter green jacket. Now... The undershirt can be explained, but putting knee high brown boots on when there was none and changing the jacket. Im not saying that nothing did not happen, but those two pictures in that article do not seem to be the same woman.

[Deleted]

It's weird sometimes.

You don't know if you'll intervene or not in a given situation. I was on the bus the other day and, as we drove up to a stop, a couple was fighting on the bench. At first, I didn't know what to do and no one did anything; then it got more violent and they fell off the bench, the woman striking the man. It looked like she may have had an object in her hand.

This large guy ran out of the door to break it up and I went after him because I was afraid he would get hurt and I just couldn't bare the thought of anything happening to him and the couple. Thankfully, we were able to break it up, yelling and separating the two. Still have no idea if she had anything in her hand. The man had superficial cuts on his face.

We led them to the bus, they separated with the man in front with his face in his hands, while the woman, who looked like she was strung out on something, was in the back. I tried to pay attention to both of them, hoping that they wouldn't start up again. Of course, a couple and their baby got on the bus at the next stop and I was worried about something happening with a baby on board but, thankfully, they didn't fight again.

We passed by a hospital and, for some reason, the man wasn't told to go there by the bus driver. I don't know if he had them stay on the bus after the stop (essentially the main stop of the route) I got off of or not. I talked to the guy who started to break up the fight and he said it was weird and he hoped they could work it out.

I'm glad he was there because I think I would've intervened anyway but I was glad to have someone else there. So, not the same, but I know I just had to do something because I couldn't have a potential death on my conscience. I'm just glad it wasn't worse.

[Sc]

So what I'm getting from this thread is that Batman raped Kim Basinger in the 1989 movie.

[Sektor]

Oct 17, 2013 22:12:08 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Oct 17, 2013 13:29:32 GMT -5 Sektor said:

If 100% of drunken rape claims were just a woman regretting it, you'd be right. But I think we both know that's not true. There's been plenty of times where a woman is pressured into drinking too much by horny guys trying to get in her pants, but I don't know that I've ever heard of someone getting pressured into drinking a ton so that they can go joyriding. That's the difference.

See unless he's physically funneling it into her, or slipping a mickey, I can't support this line of thought. I mean, if a woman chooses to drink, regardless of peer pressure which isn't a crime in itself, and ends up willingly having sex with a guy while intoxicated, unless she passes out before the deed I don't see how that's rape.

Honestly this type of reasoning feels a little sexist in that it almost promotes thoughts that women just can't control themselves when they drink.

My very first sentence shows that I'm not talking about sex between two people who just happen to be drunk. And I don't know how you think that a woman getting pressured into drinking so that she's an easier lay for some skeevy douchebag is A-OK so long as he isn't physically forcing her to drink it, or that it's somehow her fault when there's been plenty of stories about women getting raped that started with a woman or couple of women getting alcohol forced on them.

As far as being sexist, this isn't about the women going nympho once they drink. Anyone who is drunk is physically and mentally impaired, which makes them an easier target for things like rape. It just so happens that it's more common for women to be on the receiving end of this tactic than the reverse.

[Cela]

All that appears to have happened is him going down on her, does this mean a same level of prosecution as if it were a rape?

[HMARK Center]

Oct 18, 2013 0:59:48 GMT -5 Cela said:

All that appears to have happened is him going down on her, does this mean a same level of prosecution as if it were a rape?

Sexual assault at minimum, might vary by state.