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Post by The Tank on Apr 6, 2014 9:53:36 GMT -5
I still think going in to a thread about a movie once its out means tough luck to you if you get a spoiler....but ok, point taken and tag put in I'm inclined to agree, but someone might just be going into the thread to get opinions on the movie they haven't seen yet and not wanting it ruined yet. Not everybody just blindly rushes out to the premier because COMIC BOOKS. I say spoilers are fair game once the movie's out of theaters. But that's just me.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Apr 6, 2014 10:54:22 GMT -5
Saw it last night. Thought it was awesome, still think I liked Thor 2 better but it's in my top 3 Marvel movies for sure. Scarlett Johansson is been my biggest hollywood crush but man, that movie put in full on goddess category. Even though I lost interest in him as a fighter later in his career, GSP is a class act and seems like a super cool guy, so I'm glad he got to be a part of a big Marvel movie. I really hope he has success outside of MMA. Speaking of MMA, it's interesting to see how movie fight scene's evolved with the popularity of UFC and MMA in general. It seems like there is more Muay Thai and grappling arts being incorporated into the choreography. And honestly, the movie really didn't need a plot, I would have paid $15 just to see Captain American crush goon's with his shield. One of the more disappointing things though... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Was the lack of Hawkeye, or any other Avenger really. I think people were expecting some sort of cameo and it was a little disappointing not to have one. The problem with the shared universe is that when big things happen in stand alone character movies and nobody else shows up it kind of takes me out of the movie a bit. Like, the world thinks Nick Fury is dead, Captain American is the last person to see him alive, and not one of the Avengers(besides BW) cares to see him?
Like that one scene where the Cap, Falcon and BW are getting transported by van and the masked guard tasters the other one. I think the audience was ready for it to be Hawkeye, but seemed disappointed when it's just Colbie. That would have been the perfect time for some Hawkeye.
Hell, you don't even have to show him in the movie, just have some goon to get the jump on Cap or BW and then have him get hit with an arrow.
I just think it would be cool to see that the Avengers always got each other's backs(outside of Avengers titled movies).
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 6, 2014 11:29:41 GMT -5
GSP was great as Batroc, and it was great to finally see a superhero movie where the hero fights a minor villain that wouldn't really support their own movie as an opener, which is what a lot of us have wanted for years.
Also cool that he got away.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 6, 2014 11:31:29 GMT -5
I didn't make the Fenris/Strucker connection, though obviously knew it was Pietro and Wanda. That's interesting, and a neat way to combine the two AND get around the whole X-men/Magneto thing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 12:06:54 GMT -5
Saw it last night. Thought it was awesome, still think I liked Thor 2 better but it's in my top 3 Marvel movies for sure. Scarlett Johansson is been my biggest hollywood crush but man, that movie put in full on goddess category. Even though I lost interest in him as a fighter later in his career, GSP is a class act and seems like a super cool guy, so I'm glad he got to be a part of a big Marvel movie. I really hope he has success outside of MMA. Speaking of MMA, it's interesting to see how movie fight scene's evolved with the popularity of UFC and MMA in general. It seems like there is more Muay Thai and grappling arts being incorporated into the choreography. And honestly, the movie really didn't need a plot, I would have paid $15 just to see Captain American crush goon's with his shield. One of the more disappointing things though... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Was the lack of Hawkeye, or any other Avenger really. I think people were expecting some sort of cameo and it was a little disappointing not to have one. The problem with the shared universe is that when big things happen in stand alone character movies and nobody else shows up it kind of takes me out of the movie a bit. Like, the world thinks Nick Fury is dead, Captain American is the last person to see him alive, and not one of the Avengers(besides BW) cares to see him?
Like that one scene where the Cap, Falcon and BW are getting transported by van and the masked guard tasters the other one. I think the audience was ready for it to be Hawkeye, but seemed disappointed when it's just Colbie. That would have been the perfect time for some Hawkeye.
Hell, you don't even have to show him in the movie, just have some goon to get the jump on Cap or BW and then have him get hit with an arrow.
I just think it would be cool to see that the Avengers always got each other's backs(outside of Avengers titled movies). {Spoiler}{Spoiler}There WAS another Avenger besides Cap. Black Widow was in the entire movie.
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Post by metylerca on Apr 6, 2014 12:43:05 GMT -5
It was okay. I am not into comic book movies like I used to be, so as just a standalone film from somebody who didn't even bother watching the first movie, it was serviceable.
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Post by Legion on Apr 6, 2014 13:06:39 GMT -5
In terms of what some are saying about people being present {Spoiler} I didnt miss Hawkeye during the film, but considering his status as a SHIELD agent, kinda expected at least a name drop. I missed no mention of Coulson more, but that is explainable being that Cap thinks he is dead.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 13:35:17 GMT -5
The things I loved..... So they threw some SECRET WARRIORS stuff in there. That, I did not expect. AND they used it to {Spoiler}{Spoiler}basically remove SHIELD from the Avengers movies, which was a unifying element that, while necessary in the world building stage, I'm glad is gone now. This movie all on its own said "Here's why this needs to die" and did an excellent job of it. Not to mention impacting that TV show BIG TIME. So much more interesting in it now as a result of this. A dandy IRON MAN 2 throwback (which is incredibly timely since I just saw that last night for the first time in a few years). Hearing that person whisper that line, too, was fantastically wonderful. A great name drop of a certain......sorcerer in there. Fury's gravestone. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Also have to say.......I knew Pierce would be the bad guy, but I really expected something more regarding the Red Skull to be involved with him (an incarnation of him? weird sciency/comic booky voodoo?). Very glad they didn't do that now. The more this movie went on, the less I wanted that to happen. And finally, the certain figure in the bunker scene was my eye-widening/big grin moment. Oh god, that appearance met and surpassed everything I wanted it to be.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 6, 2014 13:48:18 GMT -5
One of the more disappointing things though... {Spoiler}Was the lack of Hawkeye, or any other Avenger really. I think people were expecting some sort of cameo and it was a little disappointing not to have one. The problem with the shared universe is that when big things happen in stand alone character movies and nobody else shows up it kind of takes me out of the movie a bit. Like, the world thinks Nick Fury is dead, Captain American is the last person to see him alive, and not one of the Avengers(besides BW) cares to see him?
Like that one scene where the Cap, Falcon and BW are getting transported by van and the masked guard tasters the other one. I think the audience was ready for it to be Hawkeye, but seemed disappointed when it's just Colbie. That would have been the perfect time for some Hawkeye.
Hell, you don't even have to show him in the movie, just have some goon to get the jump on Cap or BW and then have him get hit with an arrow.
I just think it would be cool to see that the Avengers always got each other's backs(outside of Avengers titled movies). {Spoiler}{Spoiler}I know what you're saying, and I'm inclined to agree. It's sort of the inherent problem with standalone movies once you've established the shared universe: it seems strange that no one in S.H.E.I.L.D. seems to care about missiles fired at Tony Stark's coastal home or the supernatural occurrences in London. In fact, it was actually touched upon in the CinemaSins review of the first Captain America film, where HYDRA has obtained and weaponized the Tesseract, and no one in Asgard seems to care enough to intervene.
As for Hawkeye in particular being absent, they might have thought the film already had too many characters. I mean, you saw how haphazardly they tried to insert Agent 13/Sharon Carter (my only complaint about this movie, if I had one). I mean, maybe they could've given him Maria Hill's part, but they might have thought it would've made the movie too "Avenger-heavy" for a standalone film.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 6, 2014 13:48:52 GMT -5
Yeah I was wondering if Pierce would be Skull related too. Better and makes Hydra look better that he wasn't.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2014 14:15:37 GMT -5
One of the more disappointing things though... {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Was the lack of Hawkeye, or any other Avenger really. I think people were expecting some sort of cameo and it was a little disappointing not to have one. The problem with the shared universe is that when big things happen in stand alone character movies and nobody else shows up it kind of takes me out of the movie a bit. Like, the world thinks Nick Fury is dead, Captain American is the last person to see him alive, and not one of the Avengers(besides BW) cares to see him?
Like that one scene where the Cap, Falcon and BW are getting transported by van and the masked guard tasters the other one. I think the audience was ready for it to be Hawkeye, but seemed disappointed when it's just Colbie. That would have been the perfect time for some Hawkeye.
Hell, you don't even have to show him in the movie, just have some goon to get the jump on Cap or BW and then have him get hit with an arrow.
I just think it would be cool to see that the Avengers always got each other's backs(outside of Avengers titled movies). {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I know what you're saying, and I'm inclined to agree. It's sort of the inherent problem with standalone movies once you've established the shared universe: it seems strange that no one in S.H.E.I.L.D. seems to care about missiles fired at Tony Stark's coastal home or the supernatural occurrences in London. In fact, it was actually touched upon in the CinemaSins review of the first Captain America film, where HYDRA has obtained and weaponized the Tesseract, and no one in Asgard seems to care enough to intervene.
As for Hawkeye in particular being absent, they might have thought the film already had too many characters. I mean, you saw how haphazardly they tried to insert Agent 13/Sharon Carter (my only complaint about this movie, if I had one). I mean, maybe they could've given him Maria Hill's part, but they might have thought it would've made the movie too "Avenger-heavy" for a standalone film. In all fairness, this logic also applies to the comic books. Sometimes I'll see Iron Man trying to overcome the odds and I'll think "Why doesn't he just call Thor? Or Batman's looking for a killer, why not just have Superman or Flash find them faster? It's comic book universe logic on the big screen.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 6, 2014 14:27:50 GMT -5
Movie did 96 million
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 6, 2014 14:49:42 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I know what you're saying, and I'm inclined to agree. It's sort of the inherent problem with standalone movies once you've established the shared universe: it seems strange that no one in S.H.E.I.L.D. seems to care about missiles fired at Tony Stark's coastal home or the supernatural occurrences in London. In fact, it was actually touched upon in the CinemaSins review of the first Captain America film, where HYDRA has obtained and weaponized the Tesseract, and no one in Asgard seems to care enough to intervene.
As for Hawkeye in particular being absent, they might have thought the film already had too many characters. I mean, you saw how haphazardly they tried to insert Agent 13/Sharon Carter (my only complaint about this movie, if I had one). I mean, maybe they could've given him Maria Hill's part, but they might have thought it would've made the movie too "Avenger-heavy" for a standalone film. In all fairness, this logic also applies to the comic books. Sometimes I'll see Iron Man trying to overcome the odds and I'll think "Why doesn't he just call Thor? Or Batman's looking for a killer, why not just have Superman or Flash find them faster? It's comic book universe logic on the big screen. The way I've explained it to my friends is that it's a big, big world and an even bigger universe. Hawkeye and Iron Patriot aren't likely to be sitting around saying to themselves "gee, I hope something interesting happens soon", Stark is for all intents and purposes currently retired from being a superhero, Banner is either back in isolation or holed up in a lab working with Stark, Coulson and his team are busy with The Clairvoyant and Deathlok, and you just know Loki has got Thor running around doing all sorts of things across the Nine Realms. Even Cap accidentally stumbles onto the op that sets the wheels of the movie in motion, that presumably only Fury, Romanov, and perhaps Hill knew about.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 6, 2014 15:04:21 GMT -5
Garry Shandling=money in the bank
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Post by Rolent Tex on Apr 6, 2014 16:47:05 GMT -5
{Spoiler}So now that Black Widow posted all of SHIELD's dirty laundry online, does that include that Coulson is alive or was that kept from even Pierce?
Newsarama had a good idea on how Agents of SHIELD can continue on now that Coulson and crew are unemployed and broke.
Hydra murdered Tony Stark's parents.
Maria Hill may be working for Stark Industies now.
Could Season 2 see a cameo from Stark as the new beneficiary funding Coulson's team with Maria Hill as liaison now that Cobie doesn't have another show anymore? Tony has a reason to fund a team to hunt down Hydra and who better to trust?
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 6, 2014 17:39:34 GMT -5
You see that DC, a movie about the clean cut, boy scout, moral compass, of Marvel that stayed 100% true to the character did that much money. You better do that in the next Superman movie. I loved Man of Steel, but Winter Soldier not just the better movie, it was the better Superman movie. Supes and Cap are the clean cut, boy scout, unyielding moral compass, superheroes of their respective companies. Sometimes their teams make fun of them for their beliefs, but in the end they're the ones that are the moral center for their teams. They're the ones the rest of the comic universe looks to, to be the moral guide for heroes. They're the inspiration, they're not dark or gritty, they're the beacon of hope. What they've done over 3 movies, showing that Captain America is the beacon of hope, and the moral center of it all is perfect. In the first one, while he did rescue them, the Howling Commandos were ready to follow him into the mouth of Hell. In The Avengers, Stark thinks he's a joke, and even says "That's the guy my dad never shut up about?", and "Everything special about you came out of a bottle." After the attack on the heli-carrier, Stark realized why his dad never shut up about Cap, and that everything special about him came from that scrawny kid from Brooklyn. He tells Loki that Cap is a living legend that lives up to the legend, and in the Battle of New York tells Cap to lead them. In Winter Soldier, {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Cap still has fun ("On your left!"), Fury never for one second questions Cap's morals, Cap stands up to the actions of SHIELD, Sam follows him without a second thought, and agents of SHIELD follow him with no questions. That's what you've got to do with Superman movies (and comics) DC.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 6, 2014 17:55:06 GMT -5
Although I really loved Man of Steel; that's still a good point.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 6, 2014 18:12:39 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}So now that Black Widow posted all of SHIELD's dirty laundry online, does that include that Coulson is alive or was that kept from even Pierce?
I think at this stage the fact that Coulson is alive has to be fairly common knowledge. Nobody seems surprised to see him, regardless of their level of clearance. Although Joss has said Coulson will not appear in Age of Ultron, I wouldn't be surprised if he does turn up.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Apr 6, 2014 18:13:42 GMT -5
I'm so glad my dad is a comic book nerd and dragged me to see this movie. This was f***ing great.
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Post by Rican on Apr 6, 2014 18:13:48 GMT -5
Just got back from seeing it. Loved it. Favorite MCU movie ever, even better than Avengers IMO.
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