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Post by Jazzman on Dec 16, 2013 21:45:05 GMT -5
I wouldn't like that personally. It sounds fair. But to me if you haven't fought, cut throats and earned a top five finish, you aren't really a championship caliber team in FBS. You are a very good team if you finish top 12. But you are not deserving of the same shot a top five or six team earned. Er....what? What I suggested has nothing to with rankings. It has all to do with winning your conference. For example under my suggestion Bowling Green would be one of the playoff teams this year cause they won the MAC. While it's nice, it's also highly impractical. It's basically a thanks for coming game because they are going to be lower seeded in the bracket and then they get crushed by a power conference champion. Here's my format. Power 5 conference champions, top 3 mid major Champs in BCS (Or any BCS independent if they are above the 3rd mid major) , then 4 wildcards from remaining BCS teams with a max of 3 teams to a conference. Reseeding after each round (advantage for finishing first). Here's how it would play out this season. First Round byes 1) Florida St. 2) Auburn 3) Michigan St. 4) Stanford Conference Champs host wildcard games 5) Baylor 12) Oregon 6) UCF 11) Missouri 7) Fresno St. 10) Ohio St. 8) Bowling Green 9) Alabama
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 16, 2013 21:53:08 GMT -5
Er....what? What I suggested has nothing to with rankings. It has all to do with winning your conference. For example under my suggestion Bowling Green would be one of the playoff teams this year cause they won the MAC. While it's nice, it's also highly impractical. It's basically a thanks for coming game because they are going to be lower seeded in the bracket and then they get crushed by a power conference champion. Here's my format. Power 5 conference champions, top 3 mid major Champs in BCS (Or any BCS independent if they are above the 3rd mid major) , then 4 wildcards from remaining BCS teams with a max of 3 teams to a conference. Reseeding after each round (advantage for finishing first). Here's how it would play out this season. First Round byes 1) Florida St. 2) Auburn 3) Michigan St. 4) Stanford Conference Champs host wildcard games 5) Baylor 12) Oregon 6) UCF 11) Missouri 7) Fresno St. 10) Ohio St. 8) Bowling Green 9) Alabama See that just isn't fair to me. A NT playoff should have representatives from each conference. You never know what is going to happen until you play the games. Pretty much any playoff system that heavily favors the power conferences pretty much to me says that the non-power conferences shouldn't be in the FBS cause they can't win the NT there without jumping through some serious hoops. At least by being forced to use each conference champion every conference has a purpose being on the FBS level.
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Post by Jazzman on Dec 16, 2013 21:57:00 GMT -5
While it's nice, it's also highly impractical. It's basically a thanks for coming game because they are going to be lower seeded in the bracket and then they get crushed by a power conference champion. Here's my format. Power 5 conference champions, top 3 mid major Champs in BCS (Or any BCS independent if they are above the 3rd mid major) , then 4 wildcards from remaining BCS teams with a max of 3 teams to a conference. Reseeding after each round (advantage for finishing first). Here's how it would play out this season. First Round byes 1) Florida St. 2) Auburn 3) Michigan St. 4) Stanford Conference Champs host wildcard games 5) Baylor 12) Oregon 6) UCF 11) Missouri 7) Fresno St. 10) Ohio St. 8) Bowling Green 9) Alabama See that just isn't fair to me. A NT playoff should have representatives from each conference. You never know what is going to happen until you play the games. Pretty much any playoff system that heavily favors the power conferences pretty much to me says that the non-power conferences shouldn't be in the FBS cause they can't win the NT there without jumping through some serious hoops. At least by being forced to use each conference champion every conference has a purpose being on the FBS level. Sadly Koda, college football doesn't exist in a world of fair. This is probably the best you're going to do. To allow all these non Power-5 conferences a seat at the table is never going to be allowed. Hell, look at the NCAA tournament, you have teams winning conferences who don't even get into the tournament without a playin game, it's the way it is and it isn't going to change anytime soon. College athletics is an oligopoly and that's never going away.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 16, 2013 22:01:48 GMT -5
See that just isn't fair to me. A NT playoff should have representatives from each conference. You never know what is going to happen until you play the games. Pretty much any playoff system that heavily favors the power conferences pretty much to me says that the non-power conferences shouldn't be in the FBS cause they can't win the NT there without jumping through some serious hoops. At least by being forced to use each conference champion every conference has a purpose being on the FBS level. Sadly Koda, college football doesn't exist in a world of fair. This is probably the best you're going to do. To allow all these non Power-5 conferences a seat at the table is never going to be allowed. Hell, look at the NCAA tournament, you have teams winning conferences who don't even get into the tournament without a playin game, it's the way it is and it isn't going to change anytime soon. College athletics is an oligopoly and that's never going away. Then make them have play in games for the non-power conferences. Whatever it takes to make sure each conference matters. Otherwise conferences like the MAC and Sun Belt are wasting everyone's time by being in the FBS and would probably have better success in the FCS.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 16, 2013 22:15:06 GMT -5
Koda, I hate to sound like an elitist, but those MAC champions do not compare apples to apples. I didn't make it that way, but that is the way it is. If we brought in all the conference champions those games they'd play against the big guys would be sprigs of parsley on the steak dinner plate. Nobody outside of the MAC champion's sphere of influence will care if they are playing Alabama or Notre Dame. They will not win very often in those games. The main event should be promoted as a main event. A watered down twelve team playoff that does not reveal compelling match ups the first round, is less desirable that even a BCS yr IMO. I have more interest in a Fiesta Bowl that decides no champion than an first round playoff game between Bowling Green or Ball st vs Alabama, Texas or USC. A small elite playoff bracket makes every snap count. Just as the BCS system does. Don't mistake me, I know it isn't fair, but neither is the predetermined outcomes of pro wrestling.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Dec 16, 2013 22:28:02 GMT -5
Koda, I hate to sound like an elitist, but those MAC champions do not compare apples to apples. I didn't make it that way, but that is the way it is. If we brought in all the conference champions those games they'd play against the big guys would be sprigs of parsley on the steak dinner plate. Nobody outside of the MAC champion's sphere of influence will care if they are playing Alabama or Notre Dame. They will not win very often in those games. The main event should be promoted as a main event. A watered down twelve team playoff that does not reveal compelling match ups the first round, is less desirable that even a BCS yr IMO. I have more interest in a Fiesta Bowl that decides no champion than an first round playoff game between Bowling Green or Ball st vs Alabama, Texas or USC. A small elite playoff bracket makes every snap count. Just as the BCS system does. Don't mistake me, I know it isn't fair, but neither is the predetermined outcomes of pro wrestling. Then why have them in the FBS? Why are the MAC, Sun Belt, MWC, and C-USA in the FBS? They clearly can't win the NT especially because a lot of people think like you and won't give them a chance. If that kind of thinking was applied to the March Madness tournament it would be a boring ass event. But guess what? March Madness let's in the conference winners of the lesser conferences(even if sometimes they have to be in a play in game) and it is an exciting tournament where each round matters. Why can't that be applied to an FBS playoff? Hell because the new playoff system is selected by a committee you can be damn sure no non-power conference team is going to be in the playoff because damn near all of them certainly think like you do and will only select power conference teams. And I say this as someone who cheers for a power conference team! I want the entire season and every conference to matter. Otherwise why the f*** are they even bothering?
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Post by ICBM on Dec 16, 2013 22:51:00 GMT -5
You are right, but I don't think you are going to like why I say that. I don't think they should be in FBS. I like the idea of the big five in one division and the rest in another. Soccer does it in Europe. As far as the NCAA basketball tournament, I don't see it as a fair comparison. Basketball is built on tournaments at every level. Footbal by the pure physicality of it, does not allow for that sort of rapid fire format. It is a wonderful thing to watch the Cinderella team make it to the final four, but they never win the big one and I like many would rather see a final four of Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and UConn than Duke, Butler, Okie st and Gonzaga. Again I know its elitist but when I want steak I want steak an not hamburger. Big name teams from traditional powers are prime rib and the mid majors are a big Mack
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Post by Red Impact on Dec 16, 2013 22:56:58 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd agree that the BCS makes every snap count, I think what it did was make a system where making games became much more of a cost-benefit analysis. It heavily penalizes the first loss, so teams make sure they limit the number of challenges they incur every year to one or two (and if they're in conference, the better) so that they can afford to play badly in more games. Before, teams pretty much went to random places, now, it's sort of standardized the path to getting to the NC game.
A playoff system can mix it up, especially a small one that's committee selected, because I have a feeling that outside the SEC, it won't be enough to just finish with a good record.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 16, 2013 23:48:42 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2013 6:47:09 GMT -5
The only format that I can come up with to get the smaller conferences involved in the playoff is to do the top 6 teams as automatic, #1 gets a bye and #2 gets to beat up on the top non-AQ team in the first round. It gets the small schools involved and sets the stage for a possible upset, while essentially giving #2 a bye most years.
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Post by Drillbit Taylor on Dec 17, 2013 12:10:36 GMT -5
You are right, but I don't think you are going to like why I say that. I don't think they should be in FBS. I like the idea of the big five in one division and the rest in another. Soccer does it in Europe. As far as the NCAA basketball tournament, I don't see it as a fair comparison. Basketball is built on tournaments at every level. Footbal by the pure physicality of it, does not allow for that sort of rapid fire format. It is a wonderful thing to watch the Cinderella team make it to the final four, but they never win the big one and I like many would rather see a final four of Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and UConn than Duke, Butler, Okie st and Gonzaga. Again I know its elitist but when I want steak I want steak an not hamburger. Big name teams from traditional powers are prime rib and the mid majors are a big Mack Just using Sun Belt winner Louisiana-Lafayette (8-4) lets see how many power confernance, and even Indies that have better or the same records and played better teams. Team | Wins | Florida State | 13-0 | Auburn | 12-1 | Michigan State | 12-1 | Ohio State | 12-1 | Alabama | 11-1 | Baylor | 11-1 | Missouri | 11-2 | Stanford | 11-2 | Clemson | 10-2 | Oklahoma | 10-2 | Oklahoma State | 10-2 | Oregon | 10-2 | South Carolina | 10-2 | Arizona State | 10-3 | Duke | 10-3 | LSU | 9-3 | UCLA | 9-3 | Miami | 9-3 | Wisconsin | 9-3 | USC | 9-4 | Brigham Young | 8-4 | Georgia | 8-4 | Iowa | 8-4 | Minnesota | 8-4 | Nebraska | 8-4 | Notre Dame | 8-4 | Texas | 8-4 | Texas A&M | 8-4 | Vanderbilt | 8-4 | Virginia Tech | 8-4 | Washington | 8-4 |
So those are the teams that are the same record or better than the Sunbelt winner, the ones in gold are power 5 winners, two in green are the other ones besides mid majors that would get in. This does not include AAC and Mountain West which are also a full step above Sunbelt too, just Power 5 and Indie *Did not include Old Dominian even thou they have the record mainly because their schedule is still pretty much an adapted FCS*
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 17, 2013 12:38:56 GMT -5
If you expanded it to give smaller conferences a 'fair shot', all you're doing is making sure those smaller schools get annihilated more often than not. Whereas you might get one having a Cinderella season every few decades, generally they're just going to be outclassed by better athletes etc and get smoked. It's just the nature of the beast.
It's different from basketball where you have at least one major upset or more per tourney, at best you'll have one of those every ten years or so in a football play-off, if that.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 17, 2013 15:19:10 GMT -5
The fastest rising QB prospect in the draft class is UCF redshirt junior Blake Bortles, according to Peter King.
Former Notre Dame and USF redshirt sophomore DE Aaron Lynch has signed with an agent and will declare for the draft, according to Neil Stratton.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Dec 17, 2013 15:30:22 GMT -5
The fastest rising QB prospect in the draft class is UCF redshirt junior Blake Bortles, according to Peter King. Former Notre Dame and USF redshirt sophomore DE Aaron Lynch has signed with an agent and will declare for the draft, according to Neil Stratton. It is really had to take a QB named Blake Bortles seriously no matter how good he is. But if it works you better stock up on BORT license plates.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 17, 2013 16:20:19 GMT -5
Senior Bowl Executive Director Phil Savahe believes the majority of scouts have Alabama QB A.J. McCarron in the second- or third-round.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 17, 2013 19:24:19 GMT -5
From Travis Haney
"More people I talk to, more I believe Texas content waiting for right guy. Even if it's Jan. 7. Jimbo emerging as high-end candidate."
"Texas recruits at such a high level that its class would remain intact until Jan. Plus, recruits confident UT will make big-splash hire.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 17, 2013 19:36:36 GMT -5
USC senior RB Silas Redd will not play in the school's bowl game on December 21 against Fresno State.
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Post by ICBM on Dec 17, 2013 20:11:39 GMT -5
From Travis Haney "More people I talk to, more I believe Texas content waiting for right guy. Even if it's Jan. 7. Jimbo emerging as high-end candidate." "Texas recruits at such a high level that its class would remain intact until Jan. Plus, recruits confident UT will make big-splash hire. I hate em, but damn you gotta respect a program that can afford to do that.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 18, 2013 18:54:21 GMT -5
Eastern Illinois' Dino Babers has been hired as Bowling Green's next head coach.
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Post by andrew8798 on Dec 18, 2013 22:31:51 GMT -5
North Carolina OC Blake Anderson is the new head coach at Arkansas State.
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