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Post by Fearless The Tank on Dec 23, 2013 4:24:21 GMT -5
With the brand split ending, the titles being combined (thinning out already non existent storylines), and WWE wanting to make room for younger stars from NXT, it only makes sense that there will be an enormous amount of releases soon. How many wrestlers would you expect to be released?, and also, do you think if enough wrestlers get released could it even out the playing field for TNA, ROH...etc to capitalize on the incoming talent pool and have a chance of lowering the WWE monopoly?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2013 4:25:37 GMT -5
Triple H thinks that mass releases are bad for business so I doubt it.
And I'm not sure if it could even the playing field if the released talents are forced to perform under new personas and gimmicks, that might as well be complete unknowns without that WWE name value behind them. I wish WWE weren't such sticklers when it comes to things like gimmicks. If any current WWE talent got released, I want to see them thrive under their current persona that never got a fair shot. For example Michael Hutter is doing an amazing job as "ECIII", but it's such a sharp contrast from "Derrick Bateman" that he might as well be a different person, and that makes me fear for a lot of guys. I'll try to be happy for the performers, but I'll always be disappointed that they aren't wrestling under the persona that I became a fan of to begin with. I'd rather see "Alex Riley", "Zack Ryder" or "Curt Hawkins" as a WWE jobber for life than see some weirdo who looks like him as a TNA, RoH, or NWA World Champion. It's like watching a guy that looks like your favorite wrestler but isn't.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 23, 2013 4:26:36 GMT -5
The thought of TNA capitalizing on a talent exodus from WWE is absolutely ludicrous when you consider that they wouldn't even resign AJ Styles despite his current storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 4:30:45 GMT -5
WWE haven't done a mass clear-out in years. The brand split has pretty much been over for 2 years now, if they were to do one they probably would have done it by now.
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Post by Chip on Dec 23, 2013 4:33:13 GMT -5
They seem to nowadays more so then ever try everything they can to get a guy to work, rather then just toss 'em out and bring fresh meat in.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 4:34:16 GMT -5
WWE haven't done a mass clear-out in years. The brand split has pretty much been over for 2 years now, if they were to do one they probably would have done it by now. This. People have been speculating 'mass-cuts' for a couple of years now and nothing has happened. If you look at who got released in 2013, the only main roster members were Trent Barreta, Eve Torres and Ted DiBiase (two of which left on their own accord).
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Post by onetruemisfit on Dec 23, 2013 4:34:59 GMT -5
It's etched into a wall in the Far East side of WWE Headquarters that "The WWE must reduce the roster by 90%"
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 6:16:03 GMT -5
I know that everyone will say that the WWE doesn't like doing mass releases anymore, but at some point(not necessarily this year) they're almost going to have to. Simple math says that as they add more guys and girls from NXT there will be even less time to feature people that aren't being featured now. Though if they don't like doing releases they will probably just not renew anyone's contract that they have no real plans for to spread out the dismissals.
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Post by Turd Ferguson on Dec 23, 2013 7:01:43 GMT -5
Simply put, no.
And no amount of talent released is going to "lower the monopoly" that WWE has by raising ROH and TNA to the point where it's a real competition. ROH taking leftover WWE guys would be awful for their business. And TNA has already sopped up WWE's spills with worse than no success. It's actually been detrimental to them.
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Post by shaker on Dec 23, 2013 8:00:19 GMT -5
They've had a really strong NXT roster for a while, have been slowly bringing them up, and haven't had any mass firings in years.
There are enough guys that will retire soon, plus I'm sure some guys will not re-sign their contracts, so there's no need to fire a whole bunch of guys in one go any more.
It's not like it's a one-to-one ratio or something; Xavier Woods being called up doesn't mean they have to fire the Miz to make room (although that would be pretty awesome to fire Miz).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 11:05:36 GMT -5
I think they ought to shake up the roster and clear some dead weight, it might ignite things in the locker room. At the same time, I think they're holding on to who they have because, presumably, they're good people and they trust them. James The Gimmick and Curt Hawkins barely get used, but WWE holds onto them because...why not? They know who they are and they can fill a spot in a pinch.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 23, 2013 13:27:29 GMT -5
I don't think we're going to get any more mass layoffs like they did in the past. the roster isn't as big as it was when that was happening, and it makes the company look like dicks. it's more likely that they'll just not re-sign guys with bigger contracts when they expire (e.g. Del Rio's probably gone when his is up) and only lay people off here and there. JTG of course will still keep his job.
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Post by Haulk on Dec 23, 2013 15:58:17 GMT -5
I will keep speculating 'mass-cuts' as long as people with no potential are on the payroll. It is unfeasible to keep paying so many welfare cases like Alex Riley, Zeke, Cameron Bo Dallas etc The one thing this industry needs is new blood and its not showing up other than the Shield and Wyatts.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 23, 2013 16:48:43 GMT -5
I will keep speculating 'mass-cuts' as long as people with no potential are on the payroll. It is unfeasible to keep paying so many welfare cases like Alex Riley, Zeke, Cameron Bo Dallas etc The one thing this industry needs is new blood and its not showing up other than the Shield and Wyatts. Not everyone needs to have potential, because not everyone gets to be a main eventer. WWE will always need those people to use as enhancement talents. If they actually let him wrestle, Alex Riley could put on a solid match with anyone. He doesn't have to move up the card, but he can be a solid hand. If Zeke ever got healthy, he'd make a good monster jobber for someone like Big E to lift while Michael Cole marks out that we've never seen such strength before. Cameron has the potential to be the most entertaining Diva if they let her be more like her Total Divas "real" self. I don't care for Bo, but he has a decent gimmick. The less talented wrestlers should be used to put over the better guys so that the better guys with bigger upsides can be relieved of jobbing duties and not have to job as much. Everyone has a place.
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 23, 2013 17:39:42 GMT -5
I will keep speculating 'mass-cuts' as long as people with no potential are on the payroll. It is unfeasible to keep paying so many welfare cases like Alex Riley, Zeke, Cameron Bo Dallas etc The one thing this industry needs is new blood and its not showing up other than the Shield and Wyatts. Not everyone needs to have potential, because not everyone gets to be a main eventer. WWE will always need those people to use as enhancement talents. If they actually let him wrestle, Alex Riley could put on a solid match with anyone. He doesn't have to move up the card, but he can be a solid hand. If Zeke ever got healthy, he'd make a good monster jobber for someone like Big E to lift while Michael Cole marks out that we've never seen such strength before. Cameron has the potential to be the most entertaining Diva if they let her be more like her Total Divas "real" self. I don't care for Bo, but he has a decent gimmick. The less talented wrestlers should be used to put over the better guys so that the better guys with bigger upsides can be relieved of jobbing duties and not have to job as much. Everyone has a place. At the same time, though, even though everyone has a place, sometimes you have to let a few of the older, more failed experiments, walk away just to keep the roster fresh. Some of the cases in this example: Riley, Cameron, and Dallas- haven't really been tested yet, and should be kept for more of a chance...but then you have people like Zeke: On the roster since 2008, has been tried, tested, and failed, has no credibility left- it's better to keep the roster feeling fresh and open up spots for NXT stars. Zeke's decent- but at this point, if it's a choice between Ezekiel Jackson or, say, Sami Zayn (and it very well COULD be)- then the better option is Zayn.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Dec 23, 2013 18:03:17 GMT -5
I know that everyone will say that the WWE doesn't like doing mass releases anymore, but at some point(not necessarily this year) they're almost going to have to. Simple math says that as they add more guys and girls from NXT there will be even less time to feature people that aren't being featured now. Though if they don't like doing releases they will probably just not renew anyone's contract that they have no real plans for to spread out the dismissals. They don't have to at one time though. I think we'll continue to see releases but they'll trickle b/c they don't debut new people en masse. The days of seeing 7-10 people released at once haven't occurred in a while and I dont think we'll be seeing it again anytime soon. They release more NXT people than main roster as it is. And while the brand split has ended on TV, they still have two separate groups for the house shows, which a lot of people seem to forget. And they do farrr more house shows than TV.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Dec 23, 2013 19:02:55 GMT -5
Triple H thinks that mass releases are bad for business so I doubt it. And I'm not sure if it could even the playing field if the released talents are forced to perform under new personas and gimmicks, that might as well be complete unknowns without that WWE name value behind them. I wish WWE weren't such sticklers when it comes to things like gimmicks. If any current WWE talent got released, I want to see them thrive under their current persona that never got a fair shot. For example Michael Hutter is doing an amazing job as "ECIII", but it's such a sharp contrast from "Derrick Bateman" that he might as well be a different person, and that makes me fear for a lot of guys. I'll try to be happy for the performers, but I'll always be disappointed that they aren't wrestling under the persona that I became a fan of to begin with. I'd rather see "Alex Riley", "Zack Ryder" or "Curt Hawkins" as a WWE jobber for life than see some weirdo who looks like him as a TNA, RoH, or NWA World Champion. It's like watching a guy that looks like your favorite wrestler but isn't. Characters? Persona? What are you talking about? They just have names now. Alex Riley or Curt Hawkins will be the same guys with different names. Losing gimmicks before was a big deal. Big Bossman is a gimmick. Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake is a gimmick. Undertaker is a gimmick. Everyone now can easily be repackaged. I don't know why they bother trademarking their stuff it's so generic now.
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Post by RI Richmark on Dec 23, 2013 22:50:24 GMT -5
Not everyone needs to have potential, because not everyone gets to be a main eventer. WWE will always need those people to use as enhancement talents. If they actually let him wrestle, Alex Riley could put on a solid match with anyone. He doesn't have to move up the card, but he can be a solid hand. If Zeke ever got healthy, he'd make a good monster jobber for someone like Big E to lift while Michael Cole marks out that we've never seen such strength before. Cameron has the potential to be the most entertaining Diva if they let her be more like her Total Divas "real" self. I don't care for Bo, but he has a decent gimmick. The less talented wrestlers should be used to put over the better guys so that the better guys with bigger upsides can be relieved of jobbing duties and not have to job as much. Everyone has a place. At the same time, though, even though everyone has a place, sometimes you have to let a few of the older, more failed experiments, walk away just to keep the roster fresh. Some of the cases in this example: Riley, Cameron, and Dallas- haven't really been tested yet, and should be kept for more of a chance...but then you have people like Zeke: On the roster since 2008, has been tried, tested, and failed, has no credibility left- it's better to keep the roster feeling fresh and open up spots for NXT stars. Zeke's decent- but at this point, if it's a choice between Ezekiel Jackson or, say, Sami Zayn (and it very well COULD be)- then the better option is Zayn. With all due respect, there's no roster limit. If the WWE wanted to call up Sami Zayn then they just would. They don't need to drop anybody to bring Zayn up.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Dec 24, 2013 1:14:38 GMT -5
Honestly, with so many guys on the verge of retirement (Punk, ADR, Henry, Christian, Rey or at least I hope Rey) and guys they just won't renew (Sin Cara), there's no point.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 24, 2013 1:51:38 GMT -5
I'm worried about what will happen to Mason Ryan now that Batista is on his way back.
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