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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 16:51:05 GMT -5
Punk, Lesnar 2 & 3.
Also IMO there was no need for him to even face Undertaker at WM 27 & 28.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 16:53:39 GMT -5
The Austin feud. Triple H had absolutely no earthly reason to win that 3 stages of hell match. If someone can make any sense out of this over 12 years since it took place please let me know. NAH, I can totally justify that one. From how I remember the sentiment at the time, everyone expected the full-of-piss-beer-and-hellfire Austin would steamroll over whomever would be the WWE champion at WMX8 because he had all the momentum in the world. Hunner winning here totally made sense if you remember Austin's motivation and how the heel turn went down. Austin aligned with McMahon because he didn't believe he could beat The Rock fairly. Austin went full-tilt against the man who tried to end his career and lost. If he couldn't beat Hunner, while a formidable opponent and someone who has tried to kill him on a few occasions, what chance was he going to have against the top wrestler in the company? The loss to Hunner shook his confidence and spurned on the alliance with McMahon and the heel turn. I still think the Power Trip was kinda stupid, but eh... EDIT: The sad thing about it is that the match didn't really win with Hunner the decisive winner. An unconscious Hunner lucked out when he fell on top of an unconscious Austin and got the pin. Austin went off the deep end because Hunner got lucky.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 16:57:09 GMT -5
Booker T at Wrestlemania. I don't care what kind of booking you're doing but that was absolutely the worst. You just don't do that. Booker didn't even get his comeuppance to that. To this day it's still the only thing that still pisses me off in the WWE.
Beating Punk when he was white-hot made no sense either.
Just bad booking.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 17:27:40 GMT -5
This will be the longest thread in this forum's history.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 23, 2013 17:30:00 GMT -5
Ric Flair on Ric Flair appreciation night. A Ric Flair "Thank You" run would not have hurt the business in any way--it just would have made the fans happy.
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Post by slappy on Dec 23, 2013 17:32:14 GMT -5
Besides beating Booker at WrestleMania and randomly pedigreeing Londrick, I don't think there was a time he unnecessarily went over.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Dec 23, 2013 17:32:44 GMT -5
Going back a bit, HHH's inability to ever let Owen Hart cleanly defeat him. I don't recall it ever happening and if it did, it was vastly outweighed by the amount of times Hunter went over. Seriously, he could not even drop the European Title to Owen, he had to let Goldust do it for him in one of the most convoluted endings I have ever seen. Come on Hunter, you were the heel, lose to the face you're feuding with for god sakes!
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Dec 23, 2013 17:35:49 GMT -5
The Austin feud. Triple H had absolutely no earthly reason to win that 3 stages of hell match. If someone can make any sense out of this over 12 years since it took place please let me know. One could argue that it set up Austin's doubts and paranoia leading to his turn, and it set up Triple H's involvement with Undertaker because Triple H said he had beaten everybody.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Dec 23, 2013 17:37:31 GMT -5
Goldberg and Booker are the ones that I really think hurt.
But it's been mentioned pretty much so......
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 23, 2013 17:41:30 GMT -5
Besides beating Booker at WrestleMania and randomly pedigreeing Londrick, I don't think there was a time he unnecessarily went over. Why did he pedigree Londrick?
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 23, 2013 17:44:20 GMT -5
Besides beating Booker at WrestleMania and randomly pedigreeing Londrick, I don't think there was a time he unnecessarily went over. Why did he pedigree Londrick? Because they came to the ring and saved his ass, as I recall.
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Post by slappy on Dec 23, 2013 17:45:09 GMT -5
Besides beating Booker at WrestleMania and randomly pedigreeing Londrick, I don't think there was a time he unnecessarily went over. Why did he pedigree Londrick? I don't recall if there was ever an explanation.
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 23, 2013 17:45:28 GMT -5
Why did he pedigree Londrick? Because they came to the ring and saved his ass, as I recall. Let me guess, he still somehow remained a babyface.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 23, 2013 17:47:39 GMT -5
Because they came to the ring and saved his ass, as I recall. Let me guess, he still somehow remained a babyface. Of course!
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 23, 2013 17:56:10 GMT -5
Let me guess, he still somehow remained a babyface. Of course! It seems like at that time period, Triple H could've done literally anything and the announcers would still put him over as a babyface.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 23, 2013 18:09:45 GMT -5
Booker, the Londrick incident, Goldberg, Steiner, Punk, any feud with Orton other than "I'll punt your family".
I ask two questions. Is he a heel or a babyface? Second, will the loss hurt his character?
I can forgive Trips beating Orton since Orton was the heel and attacked Trips' family, the babyface had to win out. Didn't have to be Triple H, it could've been Shane, or Vince, or a group beatdown, but when they had it be HHH/Orton, Orton had to lose for the storyline to reach a logical conclusion.
Londrick were like two little kids trying to help out the neighborhood tough guy who just got jumped. He beat them up because he was embarrassed. Should have turned him heel, but it didn't because midcarders are unimportant in the WWE Universe. It wasn't needed, served no purpose, drew no money, and had no effect on the character or any storyline.
Booker is the opposite of the Orton/Legacy deal. Trips HAD to lose. Had to, no questions asked. I don't care if Booker had only ever wrestled in GCW, then disappeared for a decade. When the heel is an openly racist jackass, he HAS to pay for it. He did not.
Goldberg and Steiner were big names from outside, and I know Vince's mentality, but Jesus H. Christ, they didn't lose to and get made to look bad by the top guy from the Attitude Era (Austin). Or the second top guy (Rock). Or the constant (Taker). They lost to a guy who, at the height of the "war" was the "leader" of a faction whose girlfriend was more of a mainstream star.
Punk, I guess the logic was "He mentioned Triple H in a promo, so gotta get heat back" or something crazy. Point is, you already have a WWE flag bearer in Cena. That is the only person Punk should have feuded with, period. Triple H inserting himself, then Nash, into it all served no purpose.
Would a loss to any of them have hurt him? If Rock can job clean to Hurricane and not lose an ounce of cred, then Londrick as a team should be Triple H. Booker had to win because f***ing racism, Orton should have one at least one feud though Legacy Trips or some face had to win.
Trips could have lost all but one of the feuds, or simply not been involved in the Punk feud, and there would be no problem whatsoever. Or, he could have had his "comeuppance" stand-in, HBK, take the falls for him.
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Post by Totorob101 on Dec 23, 2013 18:11:53 GMT -5
I honestly hated that he went over Cactus Jack in a hardcore type match up at Rumble 2000. He pretty much beat Foley everytime the wrestled didnt he?
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Dec 23, 2013 18:18:56 GMT -5
I honestly hated that he went over Cactus Jack in a hardcore type match up at Rumble 2000. He pretty much beat Foley everytime the wrestled didnt he? Yeah, Foley pretty much helped make HHH the guy he is today. If I recall he hasn't always been so grateful of the role Foley played in his career either.
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Post by Phosphor Glow on Dec 23, 2013 18:24:55 GMT -5
That time he destroyed Ted DiBiase in 2011 That time he destroyed Intercontinental Champion Wade Barrett in 2013 It did give us that hilarious GIF of H kicking Barrett in the nards. You said "nards", thus rendering this my favorite post in the history of these forums. LET'S BRING IT BACK
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Dec 23, 2013 18:30:15 GMT -5
vs Sheamus @ Extreme Rules 2010
Yes, Sheamus won the match. And Sheamus should've lost at WM26, like he did. My gripe with this feud is that the whole story at Extreme Rules was about how resilient Triple H was and what it took to keep him down. Sheamus attacked him backstage. Sheamus beat him up and down with a pipe. Sheamus hit 4 brogue kicks on him in a row (from my recollection he did it outside the ring, then dragged him in the ring, then hit it 3 more times after 'H kept pulling himself up). It took all of this to keep Triple H down. The only good it did Sheamus was being able to say he took out Triple H for awhile, who wound up coming back to face Del Rio at MSG and later Taker at WM27. But before Wrestlemania, Trips made sure to kick Sheamus' ass by making him look like a total goober before putting him through an announcer table. Just unreal.
vs CM Punk @ Night of Champions
There's a certain "get out of jail (loss) free card" being played by The Game with this one and the WM Lesnar match. For these matches, he had a clause that made it so he "had" to win due to the storyline. For Lesnar, it was his retirement on the line. He had to win because he wasn't retiring. For the Punk match, his job as COO was on the line. The stip leading into the match meant that HHH HAD to win, because he's COO and that's not going to change. I'm sure once he pins Daniel Bryan, one of his daughters will be on the line or something. Anyway, the NoC Punk match was a complete mess because WWE were trying to get the dastardly duo of THE MIZ & R-TRUTH over enough as main event heels to face Rock & Cena, so they interfered a bunch, and on top of that, Triple H had a feud building with Big D himself, Kevin Nash. So then NASH interferes, and he sticks both the winner and the loser. Punk has none of it, makes a save on Triple H, everyone fights, Trips gets a pedigree in, and he pins CM Punk during his hot streak in 2011. While Punk wasn't "buried" or anything silly like that, it was still a momentum killer. I understand a still-active Triple H beating Punk on Smackdown back in the SES days, but here? It wound up happening so Triple H and Punk could form an alliance to take on Truth/Miz as a tag team. Trips comes out of partial retirement to work with the hottest act in the company to beat him and then partner up with him so the crowd doesn't turn on him. Brilliant. Oh yeah, and Punk took the pinfall AGAIN in that tag team match.
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