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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2013 1:22:25 GMT -5
For how much they built it up and how little generally seemed to care, the Title Unification is a good pick.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 26, 2013 2:03:18 GMT -5
Wrestlemania.
Wrestlemania this year exposed a lot of what's wrong with WWE currently. I split the cost of Wrestlemania with two friends this year and I still feel ripped off (to say nothing of the fact that the official livestream didn't work for an hour).
Relying on part-time stars of the past to pop a buyrate (the Rock, Brock Lesnar).
Still putting over stars who really don't need 'the rub' in 2013 (John Cena, Triple H).
Bumping title matches off the main card (the Miz vs. Wade Barrett).
Poor time management, keeping talent off the show altogether (Tons of Funk vs. Rhodes Scholars).
Lack of follow-through when it comes to pushing talent who do not benefit from going over (Fandango vs. Chris Jericho).
Stop-start pushes that kill the talent's abilities to generate heat (Mark Henry vs. Ryback).
Randomly thrown together talent/ignorance of storyline continuity (the Shield vs. Randy Orton, Sheamus, and the Big Show).
Lackluster development of feuds on television (the Undertaker vs. CM Punk).
Jobber entrances (Alberto Del Rio vs. Jack Swagger).
Rinse-and-repeat rematches (Triple H vs. Brock Lesnar, John Cena vs. the Rock).
Short of doing Cena/Taker and/or Daniel Bryan in the main event vying for the WWE title, I really don't see myself ordering Wrestlemania this year.
And this isn't a new trend, either. 25, 27, and 28 were also panned by many fans, it seems, as poor Wrestelmanias.
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 26, 2013 9:00:42 GMT -5
i picked swagger because of everything on the list that's the only one i don't have the faintest recollection of.
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Post by Bo Rida on Dec 26, 2013 10:02:45 GMT -5
A combination of main-eventer Swagger and face Del Rio as they're two sides of the same coin.
It was the type of mid-card match I would have fast-forwarded on Raw but somehow it was booked as a WHC match at WM. In theory that's OK as good booking/storylines, character tweaks and a title feuds can elevate people but this wasn't one of those times. To this day I've no idea who I was meant to be cheering (especially as Brit), a previously directionless stoner heel that made vaguely valid points on illegal immigration or the all-American Mexican aristocratic man of the people. None of it made sense on any level which I can't say about the other bad options (even if I did hate the Big Show firing angle).
To make matters worse they got over 10 minutes for their match which isn't bad when taken in isolation but is when you consider more promising matches at recent manias that could have done with that time.
I voted for Swagger as face Del Rio was actually OK until that feud started.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 26, 2013 10:05:34 GMT -5
Thwaggah Puth 2.0 takes it.
It ended up with him having to leech residual heat off of Antonio Cesaro's awesomeness.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 26, 2013 10:07:39 GMT -5
anything involving Big Show was a channel changer for me this year. beyond intelligence insulting.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 26, 2013 10:09:39 GMT -5
HHH announcing Orton vs Cena for the Unification Match as the crowd shits all over it and does Daniel Bryan related chants.
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Dec 26, 2013 10:15:27 GMT -5
SIN CARA
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Post by ronnie2hotty on Dec 26, 2013 10:35:37 GMT -5
I voted for Swagger. The Swagger thing was really hurt by Swagger himself. I can't believe that no one has mentioned his drug charges a few weeks before WM and how much that really hurt his push and their match. As soon as the report came out about the traffic stop, NO ONE believed that he had any chance of winning the title at WM. It instantaly became a lame duck match with a predictable outcome. That makes it a flop in my opinion. Previous to the arrest, I was actually enjoying Swagger's work woth Zeb. I really thought that the missing ingredient was that the WWE needed to let Zeb get a little more risque with his promos. This would have given Swagger more heat on himself and given Del Rio more face reaction.
The Big Show angle was a very close second for me. The entire angle was dumb and unbelievable. To me, I thought the best (and actually most logical) outcome was that Show was with the Authority the entire time and would end up costing Daniel Bryan the title on purpose. Thus, transistioning Bryan into a fued with Big Show and allowing Orton to move on to a fued with someone else. Show turning and being with the Authority would then explain why Show was still able to get into the buildings all the times he was supposedly banned. Also, a separation away from the Authority for the Sheild since they would feel double crossed since it was Big Show who cost them the tag team titles. Steph and Triple H wouldn't need the Sheild as their muscle anymore since their back up would now be Kane and Big Show.
Overall, I wouldn't call Curtis Axel a flop. It was typical WWE booking. Push someone to the moon initially, then back off after a few weeks. The three way match where he won the title was really good. I would even go as far as say it was in the top 10 matches of the year. What hurt Axel most this year was how he always played the fall guy in the Punk/Heyman fued. There was no reason why Axel couldn't have gotten a clean win during that fued (funny, didn't see anyone on here claiming Punk was holding people down, lol).
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 26, 2013 11:17:38 GMT -5
Jack Swagger flopped, because he's using that same gimmick right now and getting TV time with it and people like it.
FAN, I swear, sometimes...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2013 11:26:01 GMT -5
I voted for main event Jack Swagger just because of how obvious they made it that they had no faith in him as an actual main event guy. His sole reason for showing up was to be fed to face ADR who also flopped.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 26, 2013 11:29:57 GMT -5
Jack Swagger flopped, because he's using that same gimmick right now and getting TV time with it and people like it. FAN, I swear, sometimes... Possibly because now he's where he belongs, in the midcard, in a tag team no less, rather than trying to convince us he's a main eventer?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2013 11:30:48 GMT -5
Sin Cara. Every year, Sin Cara.
Of the choices I'll have to go with Jobback though.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Dec 26, 2013 11:30:49 GMT -5
For how much they built it up and how little generally seemed to care, the Title Unification is a good pick. Yeah, I think this would definitely be a contender. They hyped it up so much and (in my opinion) the match and its climax was one of the more underwhelming things I've seen in wrestling. I want to say that the Bryan vs. Authority feud was definitely the biggest flop, but it's hard to say that now. If he wins the Royal Rumble and eventually takes the title at WM, then no. If he's not in the title match/doesn't win the Rumble, then yes, that's the biggest flop of the year.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 26, 2013 11:32:43 GMT -5
Sin Cara. Every year, Sin Cara. Of the choices I'll have to go with Jobback though. NOTE : Sin Cara botched flopping and blew out his knee. He'll be out 4-5 months.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 26, 2013 11:33:46 GMT -5
Jack Swagger flopped, because he's using that same gimmick right now and getting TV time with it and people like it. FAN, I swear, sometimes... Possibly because now he's where he belongs, in the midcard, in a tag team no less, rather than trying to convince us he's a main eventer? Because there's no such thing as Innate Main Event Status Ability, and also because if you ARE obsessively trying to rate the genetic ability of each performer for some insane reason, then what matters is TV time and not card placement. It's the same logic that leads people to flip out because Daniel Bryan is an important part of Raw but he doesn't have a meaningless, metal prop.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Dec 26, 2013 12:17:12 GMT -5
if I had a second choice it'd be Del Rio. not for his face run (he was actually getting over), but for his heel run because he fell quickly back into "uninteresting bore who always fights for the belt nobody cares about". I have no idea what if anything they'll use him for when he gets back; aside from being a filler opponent at some point I don't see them wasting much time on his as WWE champion when they have a bunch of guys to choose from that the crowd actually cares about.
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Post by I've got some bad news... on Dec 26, 2013 12:24:59 GMT -5
Ryback is definitely the biggest flop. Going from one of the most over guys in the company to a jobber to the stars in a year span says it all.
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Post by Bootista on Dec 26, 2013 13:12:50 GMT -5
Roidback and I can't say I'm not happy about it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2013 13:29:42 GMT -5
Ryback's heel push wasn't a flop. They just started jobbing him.
Anyone can be a "flop" if that's the case. WWE decides you're gonna just keep losing, that's it.
Swagger's main event push was a flop. That's the kind of thing you can just hear about before it happens and know "Wow, that's a terrible idea don't do that". They did it anyway
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