Fiddleford H. McGucket
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Dec 26, 2013 23:27:54 GMT -5
"Batista might win the Rumble and might not, and fight Orton at Wrestlemania, who may or may not be WWE Champion." Keep paying for those subscriptions, folks. That is the most Doubletalk-y Newspeak-ish sentence I've read in a while. The grammar alone makes no goddamn sense! It manages to change tenses twice in an attempt at linguistic backflips to both seem like they have insider information without actually saying anything. They basically said "Whoever wins the Royal Rumble is going after the Main champion" (i.e the way it's been in nearly EVERY Rumble). This isn't news.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 26, 2013 23:42:34 GMT -5
The Wyatts should be important. They are unique, new characters to the WWE and like the Shield, they are a trio that should be handled properly and given the opportunity to shine. WWE should spend more time showing fans that the Wyatts are a big deal, that they are to be taken seriously and that they are important, as opposed to shuffling them off to the back during WrestleMania season and instead putting the focus on washed-up part-timers like Triple H, The Rock and Batista. No wait, let's get this straight here. Pushing older, established stars into big spots at Mania, bad. Pushing younger guys with the potential for greater stardom into big spots at Mania, also bad. Obviously what we really want is for Daniel Bryan to wrestle himself on every match on the card. No, I'm tired of people saying that I and/or other posters just want Daniel Bryan to be Poochie'd or whatever. I don't like older guys hogging the spotlight, and I do want younger stars to be pushed. That said, I just don't like the Wyatt Family being made out to be a "big deal fairly quick". Every new person getting a rocket up the ass push as soon as they hit the main roster is the reason why we have such a top heavy roster and a poor midcard right now. I do think Bray Wyatt has future main event potential, emphasis on future. He shouldn't be thrown at the top guys right now. He should be firmly in he midcard feuding with midcarders (REAL midcarders, not just someone who keeps the directionless top guys busy). Instead of throwing the Wyatts at the top guys and making them an "omg, the entire future of WWE is at stake" group, WWE should have people stepping UP to THEM.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 26, 2013 23:44:48 GMT -5
Wrestling crowds won't care about Batista. Maybe they'll care about Goldberg, but that's iffy.
Now, bring these guys back and put them in an interesting story with a real reason why they're involved, and hey, that'd be great. But this asinine idea that people will remember or care about these guys just because of who they are is so ridiculous, I don't think the WWE would waste Wrestlemania on it.
This is especially true, because that's money they COULD be spending on celebrities to get some sort of mainstream attention. They'd rather do that.
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BigBadZ
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Post by BigBadZ on Dec 27, 2013 0:09:50 GMT -5
I read that as "Whipper Billy Wats-his-name"
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 27, 2013 0:10:56 GMT -5
Cena wrestling in a meaningless tag match with Hogan would suck.
Cena carrying tons of fun would also suck.
Is it THAT hard to find a decent match for the biggest star in your damn company? Put him in a triple threat with Orton and Bryan. Pander to the net crowd and have Bryan win over both guys and invoke the mania 20 ending.
Maybe without Punk or whoever coming out. Maybe Brie? I don't know.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Dec 27, 2013 0:18:55 GMT -5
Can't lie, I'd mark huge for Big Dave winning the Rumble and winning the title at Mania. Yeah, it'd be dumber than hell but Batista is mah big homie.
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SEAN CARLESS
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 27, 2013 5:02:14 GMT -5
I'm a huge Meltzer advocate, but I cannot fathom any of this news. It'd be the biggest financial blunder in years.
These last few years, whether anyone's liked the results are not, were fueled by a super successful Rock/Cena interaction that set box office records and made WWE more money collectively than any 3 consecutive WrestleManias ever have. And to follow that up, potentially, with a Cena/Wyatt main event, especially for the 30th WrestleMania, would see numbers not only fall, but possibly plunge epically. There's not one match on this potential card that has any box office appeal whatsoever. And Cena has only drawn huge with novelty acts or part timers. IT WOULD BE A DISASTER ON ALL FRONTS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 5:53:34 GMT -5
I could see Wyatt/Cena at Mania but there's absolutely no chance it main events.
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Chip
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Post by Chip on Dec 27, 2013 6:27:09 GMT -5
I love Big Dave but if he wins the Rumble and goes against Orton over Daniel Bryan a part of my fandom for wrestling dies. At least the Daniel Bryan chants during the main event would make me laugh.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Dec 27, 2013 6:30:53 GMT -5
No wait, let's get this straight here. Pushing older, established stars into big spots at Mania, bad. Pushing younger guys with the potential for greater stardom into big spots at Mania, also bad. Obviously what we really want is for Daniel Bryan to wrestle himself on every match on the card. No, I'm tired of people saying that I and/or other posters just want Daniel Bryan to be Poochie'd or whatever. I don't like older guys hogging the spotlight, and I do want younger stars to be pushed. That said, I just don't like the Wyatt Family being made out to be a "big deal fairly quick". Every new person getting a rocket up the ass push as soon as they hit the main roster is the reason why we have such a top heavy roster and a poor midcard right now. I do think Bray Wyatt has future main event potential, emphasis on future. He shouldn't be thrown at the top guys right now. He should be firmly in he midcard feuding with midcarders (REAL midcarders, not just someone who keeps the directionless top guys busy). Instead of throwing the Wyatts at the top guys and making them an "omg, the entire future of WWE is at stake" group, WWE should have people stepping UP to THEM. the only reason people assume we have a poor midcard is because people figure former champions can't be midcard. There's plenty of midcarders.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Dec 27, 2013 6:37:36 GMT -5
I love the idea of Trips elevating Roman Reigns by pinning him clean at Wrestlemania.
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Post by molson5 on Dec 27, 2013 7:15:26 GMT -5
No wait, let's get this straight here. Pushing older, established stars into big spots at Mania, bad. Pushing younger guys with the potential for greater stardom into big spots at Mania, also bad. Obviously what we really want is for Daniel Bryan to wrestle himself on every match on the card. No, I'm tired of people saying that I and/or other posters just want Daniel Bryan to be Poochie'd or whatever. I don't like older guys hogging the spotlight, and I do want younger stars to be pushed. That said, I just don't like the Wyatt Family being made out to be a "big deal fairly quick". Every new person getting a rocket up the ass push as soon as they hit the main roster is the reason why we have such a top heavy roster and a poor midcard right now. I do think Bray Wyatt has future main event potential, emphasis on future. He shouldn't be thrown at the top guys right now. He should be firmly in he midcard feuding with midcarders (REAL midcarders, not just someone who keeps the directionless top guys busy). Instead of throwing the Wyatts at the top guys and making them an "omg, the entire future of WWE is at stake" group, WWE should have people stepping UP to THEM. What would your wrestlemania card be then? Which younger stars would get big spots this year?
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Post by papagiorgio on Dec 27, 2013 7:35:04 GMT -5
They should just have Hogan beat Ryback in under a minute at Mania.
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Post by CM Parish on Dec 27, 2013 7:39:58 GMT -5
I don't get this "Main Events with more than 10,000 fans" number.
What are the 13 Main Events that The Rock did this year? Are they counting him walking out for promo time at the end of the show? How is that being a draw?
Those fans buy tickets months in advance, they don't know who's going to be there. I could walk at with 10 minutes left and cut a promo, they'd still stay there - does this mean i've main evented with 10,000 fans in attendance?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 27, 2013 8:25:37 GMT -5
No, I'm tired of people saying that I and/or other posters just want Daniel Bryan to be Poochie'd or whatever. I don't like older guys hogging the spotlight, and I do want younger stars to be pushed. That said, I just don't like the Wyatt Family being made out to be a "big deal fairly quick". Every new person getting a rocket up the ass push as soon as they hit the main roster is the reason why we have such a top heavy roster and a poor midcard right now. I do think Bray Wyatt has future main event potential, emphasis on future. He shouldn't be thrown at the top guys right now. He should be firmly in he midcard feuding with midcarders (REAL midcarders, not just someone who keeps the directionless top guys busy). Instead of throwing the Wyatts at the top guys and making them an "omg, the entire future of WWE is at stake" group, WWE should have people stepping UP to THEM. the only reason people assume we have a poor midcard is because people figure former champions can't be midcard. There's plenty of midcarders. Because WWE doesn't really present them that way. The only former champions that are actually truly and completely treated as midcarders are Swagger and Khali. They can be "in" the midcard, but with the exception of Miz, you'll hardly; if ever, see them seriously contend for midcard belts, except as filler so the midcard champ can take a DQ/Countout loss as an "out" to remind everyone that the other guy is better than this.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 9:11:32 GMT -5
I don't get this "Main Events with more than 10,000 fans" number. What are the 13 Main Events that The Rock did this year? Are they counting him walking out for promo time at the end of the show? How is that being a draw? Those fans buy tickets months in advance, they don't know who's going to be there. I could walk at with 10 minutes left and cut a promo, they'd still stay there - does this mean i've main evented with 10,000 fans in attendance? Meltzer uses counting stats from the looks of it, which doesn't take any type of historical or environmental context into the equation. It is faulty and pointless. The WWE name is the draw nowadays, and has been for years. That doesn't mean Cena isn't a draw, but he isn't on par with Hogan, Bruno, Austin, Rock, etc.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 27, 2013 11:08:51 GMT -5
This is part of my problem with the WWE. Actually that's a lie, this is my huge problem with the WWE. I have a feeling they don't realize that the reason ratings and buyrates are down is because fans, in my opinion, they're getting tired of the yo-yo pushing, the inconsistent storylines, and the continuing heat draining Burials whenever a feud is great.
The moment you have Burials and his wife hyping up the Unification match and you have the audience literally crapping on your promo, crapping on the match your hyping, and still despite all the attempts to push Daniel Bryan aside away from the main event the fans are still chanting his name and going nuts over him. That should've been a notice to them that fans don't care about Cena or Orton in the main event.
However, we all know Vince is stubborn and won't admit when he's wrong. That's also a concern of mine with Burials too.I have no doubt Burials knows the business, understands the business, and probably would be a great mind behind the scenes and in the creative. It's just I feel he would cater more to his friends rather than what's truly best for business.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 14:27:18 GMT -5
Nothing says wrestlemania main event like Husky Harris
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543Y2J
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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 27, 2013 14:38:57 GMT -5
Orton vs. Batista for the title at Mania just seems like BS, its so friggin' random. Yeah, I know they were both in Evolution together but still. Weren't they planning an Orton vs Batista Mania match years back before injuries got in the way or is it just me? and if they want Hogan on the Mania card do a callback to X7 and do a Legends Over The Top Rope Battle Royal with WM legends/comedy acts as someone suggested in the Royal Rumble thread. It is the 30th eddition after all and have a load of surprise entrants in there to get nostalgia pops and just have good fun for 10 or 15 minutes. (You could make it so people are eliminated via the top or middle rope so you won't need to have Sheiky win again)
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on Dec 27, 2013 14:41:27 GMT -5
Some matches may or may not happen at Wrestlemania, it is possible that other matches may happen
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