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Post by metylerca on Dec 27, 2013 18:32:37 GMT -5
Ehhh. Taker and Brock could do business if Undertaker breaks his deadman character and they acknowledge Brock's UFC past. It won't happen, but you get my point. Maybe. But it'd have to main event and a scenario would have to be created wherein people actually bought that Brock might win to make the box office difference. But the horrendous HHH rivalry kind of took a bit of edge off of Lesnar as an attraction, imo. That said, the last two Mania's wherein they relied on a combination of most of these guys without a megastar attraction did terrible WrestleMania business. WrestleMania 26, in particular, was far below a million buys worldwide. And after the last few years of having an extra 400,000-500,000 people ordering, I can't imagine WWE thinking that just the 30th anniversary will be enough to draw alone. And as far as Batista goes in the newz, he was a huge star in 2005. But didn't draw in his last few years in the company. So giving him the Mania Title match, and potentially the title, is completely negligible over say a Bryan or Punk or whomever. There is no business incentive to give him that title shot. It makes no sense. I personally choose to believe that Vince has something up his sleeve. This year reminds me of 2011, before The Rock Guest Host announcement. We were left with the prospect of a horribly unappealing and potentially disastrous card, main evented by arguably the least impressive and marketable WWE Title match in event history. But then Vince unveiled Rock as the event hook, ratings rose, and a flat card was resuscitated based on Rock being there alone. Part of me thinks Batista has the "shiny new toy" affect on audiences. He was huge in 2005 because he was fresh and someone people could get behind. He'd be big now because he wasn't just used in the past 40+ PPV main events that the entire roster not him has been used on. For that alone, it seems like a decade since we've last seen him. If his exposure is limited, he could actually be a bigger box office draw than Brock. But Brock was wasted. 5 matches, three of which weren't all that interesting (I'll leave it to you to figure out who I'm talking about) and suddenly he's not a huge star but instead a guy who comes around once in a while. Maybe him v.s. Taker could also tie into their 2002/3 feud where Taker lost to the new beast in the yard. Now Taker returns to silence the big guy once and for all with his streak on the line. Since he's never actually beaten Brock in a high profile match, there'd be that selling point as well.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 27, 2013 18:34:09 GMT -5
So who's going to be this year's celebrity guest at Wrestlemania who more likely than not will go over a regular performer and make them look foolish?
Any newz on that?
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Dec 27, 2013 18:39:11 GMT -5
Why would you Waste Lesnar with a loser like Miz? Almost every post I see you're calling someone a "loser", "trash", etc. I have to ask do you like anyone? And yes, I "wasted" Lesnar with Miz because I feel that this would be a best use of someone as polarizing as the Miz. People who hate the Miz will relish watching him get beaten from pillar to post, while those who like him, will rally behind him and enjoy watching him put on a solid match as the scrappy underdog. Plus having Miz get physically destroyed in such fashion will finally allow people to see his toughness and dedication to the business. She only likes AJ and seems to flip flop on Eve being beautiful and looking like a man weekly. And whilst I kinda like the Lesnar/Miz idea, having the Miz take a straight beating from Lesnar for 10 minutes seems a bit unlikely, seeing as Lesnar's pretty much crushed HHH and Cena, who are considered to be much bigger stars than The Miz and way tougher. Like, It'd be believable if he was a technical wizard, but he's more of a brawler than anything, and as we've seen, Lesnar's pretty much going to out brawl and overpower pretty much anyone. Honestly, I wouldn't be able to suspend my belief long enough to seem them trading shots or something.
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Post by Bootista on Dec 27, 2013 18:41:27 GMT -5
So what if I think Eve is pretty some times and She looks bad in others?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 27, 2013 18:50:09 GMT -5
Almost every post I see you're calling someone a "loser", "trash", etc. I have to ask do you like anyone? And yes, I "wasted" Lesnar with Miz because I feel that this would be a best use of someone as polarizing as the Miz. People who hate the Miz will relish watching him get beaten from pillar to post, while those who like him, will rally behind him and enjoy watching him put on a solid match as the scrappy underdog. Plus having Miz get physically destroyed in such fashion will finally allow people to see his toughness and dedication to the business. She only likes AJ and seems to flip flop on Eve being beautiful and looking like a man weekly. And whilst I kinda like the Lesnar/Miz idea, having the Miz take a straight beating from Lesnar for 10 minutes seems a bit unlikely, seeing as Lesnar's pretty much crushed HHH and Cena, who are considered to be much bigger stars than The Miz and way tougher. Like, It'd be believable if he was a technical wizard, but he's more of a brawler than anything, and as we've seen, Lesnar's pretty much going to out brawl and overpower pretty much anyone. Honestly, I wouldn't be able to suspend my belief long enough to seem them trading shots or something. I know it's ridiculous, but I feel like feeding Miz to someone in a brutal squash might be the way to give him that big rub he needs. And I can't think of anyone else other than Brock who has the size, credibility, and aura to give Miz that beating. I'm hoping that Lesnar pounding Miz into paste will make him sympathetic the same way it did for Cena.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 27, 2013 18:53:06 GMT -5
Miz getting a beating from Lesnar would be best suited to a segment on RAW building up to Lesnar's real opponent at Wrestlemania.
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Post by metylerca on Dec 27, 2013 18:59:56 GMT -5
She only likes AJ and seems to flip flop on Eve being beautiful and looking like a man weekly. And whilst I kinda like the Lesnar/Miz idea, having the Miz take a straight beating from Lesnar for 10 minutes seems a bit unlikely, seeing as Lesnar's pretty much crushed HHH and Cena, who are considered to be much bigger stars than The Miz and way tougher. Like, It'd be believable if he was a technical wizard, but he's more of a brawler than anything, and as we've seen, Lesnar's pretty much going to out brawl and overpower pretty much anyone. Honestly, I wouldn't be able to suspend my belief long enough to seem them trading shots or something. I know it's ridiculous, but I feel like feeding Miz to someone in a brutal squash might be the way to give him that big rub he needs. And I can't think of anyone else other than Brock who has the size, credibility, and aura to give Miz that beating. I'm hoping that Lesnar pounding Miz into paste will make him sympathetic the same way it did for Cena. Unless Miz suddenly changes his style and becomes more crisp and believable as a wrestler, no amount of Brock squashes will make people care for him. People are more likely to cheer Brock and boo Miz whenever he suddenly comes back using such moves as Mizard of Oz and Skull Crushing Finale. They're weak looking and aren't as cool as F5 or Kimura. A lot of Miz hatred comes from nothing he does looking tough or relatively believable. It's why Sandow isn't over to where he can be too. They aren't unique and Miz doesn't "wow" people the way a Brock does. What he lacks is what true main event guys like Brock/HHH/Cena and Punk have. They have a tough aura about them. Miz is a guy playing a pro-wrestler and it shows. No use in wasting Brock.
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Post by auph10imitated on Dec 27, 2013 19:07:23 GMT -5
Im not really up to speed of WWE TV, but rearranging all of what Meltzer posted, I would do this.
John Cena vs Hulk Hogan - Surely Hogan work a small match with Cena, and I think he would be willing to put him over. We need a big "moment" on this card and the 80's and 90's superhero vs the new millennium super hero should be it.
Undertaker vs Goldberg This has never been seen and can be looked at as a rather a big marquee match, and I think hes one of the people Goldberg wont have a problem putting over.
Triple H vs Randy Orton vs Batista (Guest Ref: Ric Flair) - Evolution explodes 10 years later
Shawn Michaels vs Daniel Bryan - Trainer vs Pupil
CM Punk vs Brock Lesnar - Wasnt they feuding in the summer? isnt Punk owed a win back?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 20:13:23 GMT -5
Is it really that prestigious beating a guy in the tail end of a midlife crisis that had a bad attempt at a hip haircut and takes more selfies than a teenage girl?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 27, 2013 20:32:25 GMT -5
Is it really that prestigious beating a guy in the tail end of a midlife crisis that had a bad attempt at a hip haircut and takes more selfies than a teenage girl?This is why I want Punk/Batista at some point.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 27, 2013 21:21:54 GMT -5
Is it really that prestigious beating a guy in the tail end of a midlife crisis that had a bad attempt at a hip haircut and takes more selfies than a teenage girl?This is why I want Punk/Batista at some point. Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to WrestleMania! Here to kick off the show:
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Post by metylerca on Dec 27, 2013 21:48:14 GMT -5
This is why I want Punk/Batista at some point. Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to WrestleMania! Here to kick off the show: Mike Patton singing someone to the ring during a CM Punk match would just be fitting.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 27, 2013 22:25:15 GMT -5
the only reason people assume we have a poor midcard is because people figure former champions can't be midcard. There's plenty of midcarders. Because WWE doesn't really present them that way. The only former champions that are actually truly and completely treated as midcarders are Swagger and Khali. They can be "in" the midcard, but with the exception of Miz, you'll hardly; if ever, see them seriously contend for midcard belts, except as filler so the midcard champ can take a DQ/Countout loss as an "out" to remind everyone that the other guy is better than this. you know it's always helpful to know to know how people define things. The two former champs you mention as midcarders don't ever challenge for a midcard belt. and looking back in the past a lot of people I think of as midcarders almost never went near a midcard title or got a brief reign and never got near it again
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 27, 2013 23:12:21 GMT -5
Because WWE doesn't really present them that way. The only former champions that are actually truly and completely treated as midcarders are Swagger and Khali. They can be "in" the midcard, but with the exception of Miz, you'll hardly; if ever, see them seriously contend for midcard belts, except as filler so the midcard champ can take a DQ/Countout loss as an "out" to remind everyone that the other guy is better than this. you know it's always helpful to know to know how people define things. The two former champs you mention as midcarders don't ever challenge for a midcard belt. and looking back in the past a lot of people I think of as midcarders almost never went near a midcard title or got a brief reign and never got near it again What I mean is that WWE doesn't half heartedly try to put up any pretense that Swagger or Khali are "top guys" the same way they do with someone like Del Rio or Sheamus, or even guys like Miz, Ziggler and Ryback in spite of the obvious creative downturns they've taken. We were never meant to think that Ricky Steamboat or Tito Santana were equal to Hulk Hogan or that Val Venis and the Godfather were equal to Rock and Austin. But we're expected to suspend disbelief and think that someone like Miz, Sheamus, Ryback, Dolph or Alberto are on par with Cena/Orton/Punk/Bryan.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 27, 2013 23:36:46 GMT -5
you know it's always helpful to know to know how people define things. The two former champs you mention as midcarders don't ever challenge for a midcard belt. and looking back in the past a lot of people I think of as midcarders almost never went near a midcard title or got a brief reign and never got near it again What I mean is that WWE doesn't half heartedly try to put up any pretense that Swagger or Khali are "top guys" the same way they do with someone like Del Rio or Sheamus, or even guys like Miz, Ziggler and Ryback in spite of the obvious creative downturns they've taken. We were never meant to think that Ricky Steamboat or Tito Santana were equal to Hulk Hogan or that Val Venis and the Godfather were equal to Rock and Austin. But we're expected to suspend disbelief and think that someone like Miz, Sheamus, Ryback, Dolph or Alberto are on par with Cena/Orton/Punk/Bryan. I'll give you Sheamus since I'm not sure what his card placement will be when he gets back, but with the demise of the WHC there's a clear divide between the real main eventers (Punk, Cena, Orton, and Bryan), and everyone else.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Dec 28, 2013 0:09:09 GMT -5
So much'd be solved if 'Mania went 5 hours.
Yes, who could sit through 5 straight hours of wrestling? Still, better than half the roster getting either dumped to the outskirts or wrapped up in some meaningless multiman.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 28, 2013 0:16:03 GMT -5
So much'd be solved if 'Mania went 5 hours. Yes, who could sit through 5 straight hours of wrestling? Still, better than half the roster getting either dumped to the outskirts or wrapped up in some meaningless multiman. I think some time should be shaved off of some of the matches. The returning part timers such as Lesnar, Taker, HHH, Batista, Etc. are supposedly such big stars that the concept of them stepping into a WWE ring in 2014 is a spectacle in itself. They don't need to have a 25-30 min match imo.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Dec 28, 2013 5:37:15 GMT -5
So much'd be solved if 'Mania went 5 hours. Yes, who could sit through 5 straight hours of wrestling? Still, better than half the roster getting either dumped to the outskirts or wrapped up in some meaningless multiman. Thing is, many would probably still get put in a random multi-man match anyway. Look at WrestleMania XX, which went five hours (I believe, correct me if I'm wrong), which had two Fatal 4-Way Tag Team Championship matches and a 10 man Cruiserweight Championship gauntlet match. That said, a gauntlet match for the Tag Team Championship at WrestleMania XXX would be awesome.
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Post by mrjl on Dec 28, 2013 6:40:28 GMT -5
you know it's always helpful to know to know how people define things. The two former champs you mention as midcarders don't ever challenge for a midcard belt. and looking back in the past a lot of people I think of as midcarders almost never went near a midcard title or got a brief reign and never got near it again What I mean is that WWE doesn't half heartedly try to put up any pretense that Swagger or Khali are "top guys" the same way they do with someone like Del Rio or Sheamus, or even guys like Miz, Ziggler and Ryback in spite of the obvious creative downturns they've taken. We were never meant to think that Ricky Steamboat or Tito Santana were equal to Hulk Hogan or that Val Venis and the Godfather were equal to Rock and Austin. But we're expected to suspend disbelief and think that someone like Miz, Sheamus, Ryback, Dolph or Alberto are on par with Cena/Orton/Punk/Bryan. I was always a transitive property kind of guy. If two people could beat the same guy then they were close to the same skill/toughness level
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Dec 28, 2013 7:32:27 GMT -5
So what if I think Eve is pretty some times and She looks bad in others? Because it wasn't just looking pretty and looking bad, you said she looked like a man, people gave you shit for it and all of a sudden, you decided she was beautiful.
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