Reflecto
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Post by Reflecto on Dec 27, 2013 0:46:40 GMT -5
Tying the two of them together, but:
Vs. Triple H at Wrestlemania 22- Cena winning wasn't inherently bad, per se- he should have gotten the win to solidify it- but with all the hints given between Shawn/Vince and HHH/Cena, plus how hated Cena was at the time, Wrestlemania 22 ending in a HHH/Cena double-turn would have been the biggest moment possible to turn Cena. The DX vs. Vince and Corporate Cena would have been a BIGGER angle than DX vs. The Spirit Squad and Big Show, to help make the year even bigger to boot.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 27, 2013 0:55:49 GMT -5
Ziggler should have at least won one match a little more convincingly than he did. It took an AJ Lee interference for him to win at all against Cena, and then the dude handily loses in a couple of good TV matches even when he has TWO people on the outside to interfere in the match. A loss due to shenanigans would not have hurt Cena at all.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 27, 2013 1:21:35 GMT -5
The way he bulldozed the Nexus, to the point where the entire faction seemed frightened of him, despite having ludicrously superior numbers.
Even when he was forced to join them, WWE couldn't resist booking him as the clever mastermind who would cause problems from within.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Dec 27, 2013 1:46:06 GMT -5
I might get some heat from the boys in the back for this, but I'll say Bobby Lashley at GAB. Yes he would have dropped the title very soon due to injury, but it would have given him something hot to comeback to instead of WWE having him die on the way back to his home planet. Zomg!!! Did we really need a copycat thread? Op is trying to force a meme. I am so sick of all these god damn copycat threads! ! ! Do you think copycat threads will ruin the Tensai gimmick?
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Post by BV on Dec 27, 2013 1:47:41 GMT -5
It's a non-PPV match, but Cena beating Ziggler clean in that cage match on Raw was ridiculous. All Ziggler needed was ONE win over Cena, and he would have been solidified, but nope.
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Post by Rave on Dec 27, 2013 3:33:19 GMT -5
Non-PPV match, but hotshotting the title back to Cena the same night Rey won it. That was ridiculous, IMO.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Dec 27, 2013 3:36:23 GMT -5
It's a non-PPV match, but Cena beating Ziggler clean in that cage match on Raw was ridiculous. All Ziggler needed was ONE win over Cena, and he would have been solidified, but nope. He beat Cena at TLC
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 27, 2013 3:39:34 GMT -5
It's a non-PPV match, but Cena beating Ziggler clean in that cage match on Raw was ridiculous. All Ziggler needed was ONE win over Cena, and he would have been solidified, but nope. He beat Cena at TLC In a ladder match. For Ziggler's MITB contract. With AJ's help. And Cena didn't give a shit about trying to win Ziggler's MITB contract after that match.
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Post by Sparvid on Dec 27, 2013 4:26:45 GMT -5
Over Brock Lesnar at Extreme Rules. I get it...Cena "needed a win" after Mania, but why did it have to come at the expense of a guy who had a "real" aura to him? He can always get his win back, but to deflate Lesnar right out of the gate was ridiculous. But since they later tried to go with the "Boohoo, losing to Rock ruined my whole year, and I need to beat him this time" story, it turned out that he didn't even "need" to win. A loss to Brock would've added to the whole Cena's still distracted by being upset from losing at Mania thing.
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Post by Bear Skin Rug on Dec 27, 2013 4:38:25 GMT -5
Defeating Edge at the Royal Rumble a month after his MITB cash in when he was red hot. They could have dragged out the chase until Wrestlemania and made a lot of money. That had more to do with Cena/Trips already being set in stone. Yup, this one belongs in the HHH thread. Hunter put himself over Edge, whose (brief) championship run was a ratings bonanza.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 27, 2013 4:42:08 GMT -5
Defeating Edge at the Royal Rumble a month after his MITB cash in when he was red hot. They could have dragged out the chase until Wrestlemania and made a lot of money. In retrospect, this one may not have been so bad considering the character progression it allowed. Edge was always on the verge of breaking out in the main event, but a briefcase cash-in was destined to be short and fluky, and he could never hope to hang with the Batistas and Cenas of the world. However, the small taste of victory and having to go back to the drawing board allowed Edge to get in touch with his mean-streak and sadistic side while he feuded and teamed with Mick Foley. The Edge that came out of that program was a true main-eventer that could earn victories over Batista and John Cena. On the flipside, we have John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar, where a loss there would have furthered the alleged downward spiral that they were going with.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 27, 2013 4:43:05 GMT -5
Over Brock Lesnar at Extreme Rules. I get it...Cena "needed a win" after Mania, but why did it have to come at the expense of a guy who had a "real" aura to him? He can always get his win back, but to deflate Lesnar right out of the gate was ridiculous. But since they later tried to go with the "Boohoo, losing to Rock ruined my whole year, and I need to beat him this time" story, it turned out that he didn't even "need" to win. A loss to Brock would've added to the whole Cena's still distracted by being upset from losing at Mania thing. Well, Cena got the shit beat out of him during that match. Plus, Brock needed to move on to his next feud. He had to lose so that he could "take it out on someone", even if that someone turned out to be HHH.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 27, 2013 4:52:25 GMT -5
But since they later tried to go with the "Boohoo, losing to Rock ruined my whole year, and I need to beat him this time" story, it turned out that he didn't even "need" to win. A loss to Brock would've added to the whole Cena's still distracted by being upset from losing at Mania thing. Well, Cena got the shit beat out of him during that match. Plus, Brock needed to move on to his next feud. He had to lose so that he could "take it out on someone", even if that someone turned out to be HHH. That wasn't the basis of the HHH feud. The cause of Brock breaking Hunter's wasn't because of the Cena loss. It was that HHH denied Brock's super-contract with John Lauranaitis. Remember Monday Night Raw starring Brock Lesnar?
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Dec 27, 2013 5:03:05 GMT -5
Yeah I don't care if Lesnar looked good in losing, there was no good reason for him to lose and especially no good reason for Cena to win.
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Post by thegame415 on Dec 27, 2013 5:13:00 GMT -5
As mentioned, I think he should've dropped the title to Orton at SummerSlam 2007. There was no point in stretching the feud after that. I know, they did the thing where a orton punted Cena's father as "blackmail". However, Edge already did something similar the previous year, and Cena's father isn't a strong enough character for people to feel sympathy. If Orton goes over, you set up Cena for the chase, and really establish these two as the Austin and Rock of their era.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Dec 27, 2013 6:33:06 GMT -5
Going over Lesnar was sheer stupidy. Looking good in defeat doesn't matter. You have a huge star coming back after years you don't job him out on his return match, bottom line.
Booking this match was an atrocious idea in the first place, once again they went for the cheap rating pop instead of building something bigger. Lesnar should have destroyed everybody in his path Cena included for a few months and then job to a guy like Sheamus. that's how you establish new stars.
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Post by ratetankmark on Dec 27, 2013 6:42:03 GMT -5
I agree with The Nexus, especially since I don't care how much of a superhero Cena was presented, you don't just bulldoze over 6-on-1 odds, to be honest when he was 'fired' that would've been a great chance for Cena to take a much needed break from it all, relax and just get a well-deserved rest for all his hard work, then he comes back and defeats Wade Barrett after a few months of R&R which would hopefully mean the reaction would be more positive.
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Post by BRAINFADE on Dec 27, 2013 9:03:15 GMT -5
Non-PPV match, but hotshotting the title back to Cena the same night Rey won it. That was ridiculous, IMO. This is the worst, as far as I'm concerned. Rey vs. Cena would have been a perfectly acceptable SummerSlam main event, and would have drawn money. There is absolutely no good reason for them to rush it to the same night that Rey won the title. Also, it would have built more anticipation for Punk to make his return.
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Post by JTG Fan on Dec 27, 2013 9:13:06 GMT -5
The quickness of that finish was due to shitty time management Despite that though, that is the finish Cena wanted. Jericho and Edge talked about that on this week's Talk is Jericho. Edge and Jericho both thought that Barrett should have won the match clean over Cena, but Cena thought the actual finish would be better.
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Post by Brooklynpunk97 on Dec 27, 2013 9:41:59 GMT -5
He shouldnt have gone over Rock at Mania 29. Rock should have dropped it a month later at Extreme Rules.
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