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Post by Brooklynpunk97 on Dec 28, 2013 17:51:03 GMT -5
Cena V. Rock was gonna draw anyway. Cena did not have to beat Rock at Mania. Cena would have gotten his win back, albeit, I much smaller stage but that shouldn't matter. Cena did not have to win at Mania. No one wanted him to win at mania. Just give the fans that one and let Rock beat Cena. The Rock never had a big WWE title win at Mania or anything close. Rock always lost the title AT Mania. Why did he have to lose this one? Who wanted him to lose this match? Cena could get the win back at Extreme Rules and everyone would still be happy. Cena goes over, Rock goes away. Done. At Extreme Rules. Cena has been on top for 8 years and counting. Cena doesnt need jack shit. Bring back Brock? Cena goes over Bring back Rock? Cena goes over Bring back Hogan? Cena will probably go over. Why dont we just let Austin face Cena and have Cena go over Austin? Cool? How aggravating this shit can be sometimes. If Cena isn't allowed to beat a part timer at Mania, who is he allowed to beat? And what benefit is there of Rock winning? You say it's to give the fans what they want, as if Cena doesn't have any wrestling fans. Sure it may seem like that if you only listen to the live crowd at Mania, but they aren't the only fans. You have to think about the million+ people that bought the PPV. And the people that will be watching the shows after. And the people that will be paying for a ticket for those live after. All this when Rock won't be around. Thinking Rock should go over just because he's the more popular superstar with that one crowd is very short sighted. And on Cena not needing anything. Does that mean a 60 year old man like Hulk Hogan needs something from the WWE? He's already had his time on the top, and then he left. He went and worked for another wrestling company, and now he's little more than a broken down old man that can barely walk straight. You're damn right Cena should go over if they were to wrestle each other (though I hope they don't). Same with Austin. I wouldn't mind seeing him come back, but if he does, he should be used to put someone over. You see a lot of people begging for an Austin/Punk feud. How many of them do you think would be happy to see Austin beat Punk clean, and then just leave again? Your right on the Austin/Cena side and Hogan/Cena. But Rock isnt broken down. Rock doesnt have neck problems, or can barely walk. If Rock wanted to come back to WWE he sure as shit could tango with the best of them and given enough time again, should be at the top in no time. I think I am just being a Rock mark considering the guy was my legit hero when I was growing up. But all im saying is Cena didnt have to beat Rock. Rock needed a Wrestlemania Moment. Something Cena has had already multiple times. Rock never won or defended his title successfully at Mania. This was the perfect time. Cena shouldnt have won the damn match. Im kind of sour that because WWE let Cena go over, now Rock doesnt want to come back. It could have been newz or bullshit. But Cena has been on top for 8 YEARS. My earlier points about Rock and having a Wrestlemania moment all come into play. If it really is true that Rock didnt want to job and he really is pissed at Vince and WWE, it may be petty, but it sucks.
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Post by BigWill on Dec 28, 2013 17:52:40 GMT -5
If Cena isn't allowed to beat a part timer at Mania, who is he allowed to beat? And what benefit is there of Rock winning? You say it's to give the fans what they want, as if Cena doesn't have any wrestling fans. Sure it may seem like that if you only listen to the live crowd at Mania, but they aren't the only fans. You have to think about the million+ people that bought the PPV. And the people that will be watching the shows after. And the people that will be paying for a ticket for those live after. All this when Rock won't be around. Thinking Rock should go over just because he's the more popular superstar with that one crowd is very short sighted. And on Cena not needing anything. Does that mean a 60 year old man like Hulk Hogan needs something from the WWE? He's already had his time on the top, and then he left. He went and worked for another wrestling company, and now he's little more than a broken down old man that can barely walk straight. You're damn right Cena should go over if they were to wrestle each other (though I hope they don't). Same with Austin. I wouldn't mind seeing him come back, but if he does, he should be used to put someone over. You see a lot of people begging for an Austin/Punk feud. How many of them do you think would be happy to see Austin beat Punk clean, and then just leave again? I get it, I do, I just feel that Cena, at this point, is in the wrong role. He's not Hogan, he's Andre. Hogan winning made him. Austin's KOTR win made him, both came against, in essence, part timers (Jake's run, Andre was an attraction). Cena is your Mania main event now, that's just how it is, but him beating anyone does no one any favors. I get they can not turn him heel, will not turn him heel, and all that, so what do we have? A guy who's character and place on the card is chiseled in stone. The only way to make money off a Cena match is to have him put someone over. A legend beating Cena accomplishes the same as Cena beating a legend. It's a moment, a pop, and nothing more. It's an impulse buy for the fans. Cena loses to someone who can actually benefit from it, and it's a way to keep making money. I agree on this. It'd be a much better use of Cena to have him put over future talent. I'm just saying for that one match, if you have to do Cena/Rock 2, it makes more sense for Cena to win it, especially if the title is on the line.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Dec 28, 2013 19:23:57 GMT -5
Punk should have gotten a clean win at MITB (Though technically, he got one at SurSer last year, where the damage Cena took camefrom Ryback's finisher, not the Shield's interference) As mentioned, I think he should've dropped the title to Orton at SummerSlam 2007. There was no point in stretching the feud after that. I know, they did the thing where a orton punted Cena's father as "blackmail". However, Edge already did something similar the previous year, and Cena's father isn't a strong enough character for people to feel sympathy. If Orton goes over, you set up Cena for the chase, and really establish these two as the Austin and Rock of their era. My problem with that moent was that Cena Sr was looking mildly annoyed about 2 minutes later from the move tha nearly killed RVD, Michaels and Vince.
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Post by Sam Punk on Dec 28, 2013 19:43:34 GMT -5
I can't think of any.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Dec 28, 2013 23:00:07 GMT -5
If Cena isn't allowed to beat a part timer at Mania, who is he allowed to beat? And what benefit is there of Rock winning? You say it's to give the fans what they want, as if Cena doesn't have any wrestling fans. Sure it may seem like that if you only listen to the live crowd at Mania, but they aren't the only fans. You have to think about the million+ people that bought the PPV. And the people that will be watching the shows after. And the people that will be paying for a ticket for those live after. All this when Rock won't be around. Thinking Rock should go over just because he's the more popular superstar with that one crowd is very short sighted. And on Cena not needing anything. Does that mean a 60 year old man like Hulk Hogan needs something from the WWE? He's already had his time on the top, and then he left. He went and worked for another wrestling company, and now he's little more than a broken down old man that can barely walk straight. You're damn right Cena should go over if they were to wrestle each other (though I hope they don't). Same with Austin. I wouldn't mind seeing him come back, but if he does, he should be used to put someone over. You see a lot of people begging for an Austin/Punk feud. How many of them do you think would be happy to see Austin beat Punk clean, and then just leave again? Your right on the Austin/Cena side and Hogan/Cena. But Rock isnt broken down. Rock doesnt have neck problems, or can barely walk. If Rock wanted to come back to WWE he sure as shit could tango with the best of them and given enough time again, should be at the top in no time. I think I am just being a Rock mark considering the guy was my legit hero when I was growing up. But all im saying is Cena didnt have to beat Rock. Rock needed a Wrestlemania Moment. Something Cena has had already multiple times. Rock never won or defended his title successfully at Mania. This was the perfect time. Cena shouldnt have won the damn match. Im kind of sour that because WWE let Cena go over, now Rock doesnt want to come back. It could have been newz or bullshit. But Cena has been on top for 8 YEARS. My earlier points about Rock and having a Wrestlemania moment all come into play. If it really is true that Rock didnt want to job and he really is pissed at Vince and WWE, it may be petty, but it sucks. Rock cost Cena the WWE Title at Wrestlemania 27, beat him at Wrestlemania 28, and still needed to beat Cena again? As for Rock needing a Mania moment, he beat Cena the year before, and there was that little match with Hogan at 18.
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Post by Nic Nemeth on Dec 29, 2013 1:02:03 GMT -5
Edge - Royal Rumble 2006 Umaga - New Year's Revolution 2007 (if anything, Umaga could have given him a DQ win) Orton - SummerSlam 2007 (the fact Orton never beat him at all pisses me off) Jericho - Survivor Series 2008 (Jericho should have not lost the title that easy) Orton - Breaking Point 2009 (hated the hot potato period) Batista - WrestleMania 26 (WTF at Batista losing 3x straight at his best) Nexus - SummerSlam 2010 ADR - Night of Champions 2011 Awesome Truth - Survivor Series 2011 (Rock or Cena should have cost them the match) Lesnar - Extreme Rules 2012 Royal Rumble 2013 (Honestly Rock shouldn't have even won the WWE Title) Ryback - Extreme Rules 2013 (was the last time I saw Ryback as credible) ADR - Hell in a Cell 2013 (ADR should have went for a DQ/Count-out loss)
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Post by Cry Me a Wiggle on Dec 29, 2013 1:03:38 GMT -5
When he apparently porked that obese ring rat on a dare.
Have some self-respect, Cena.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 29, 2013 1:07:56 GMT -5
ADR - Hell in a Cell 2013 (ADR should have went for a DQ/Count-out loss) I disagree with this one simply because imo Cena needed to be World Heavyweight Champion ASAP. Cena NOT winning the title would've ended up with Cena "moving on to bigger things" and the World Title being shoved even further down the card. Cena winning was best for business. He and the WHC kept each other "out of the way". The World Title kept Cena on SmackDown away from the main storyline (for at least a month). And since Cena's booking "contained" the World Title, WWE didn't have to hastily put together a WHC program while the WWE Title feud AND John Cena's feud get higher billing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 1:08:34 GMT -5
HBK at WM23. The whole main event and finish felt like a rehash of WM22 but at least with WM22, the finish was used to establish Cena as the top guy. At this point Cena was already the top guy and lots of people wanted to see HBK to hold the WWE Championship for the first time in 9 years. Also another thing I would like to point out that Cena wins wouldn't feel so disappointing if Undertaker vs. Batista switched spots on the card with Cena vs. HBK. It was still pretty surreal to see a Royal Rumble winner winning the WHC title in the middle of the card especially for someone big as The Undertaker who hasn't been world champion in 5 years despite always being booked as the top guy. You figured with all those variables the main event will out deliver a bigger feel good moment then Batista vs. Undertaker but nope it didn't I feel the same, but HBK was put into the match because HHH was injured with the match originally being a rematch from WM22. But wasn't HHH suppose to get his win back?
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