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Post by audiencewatching on Dec 27, 2013 7:36:54 GMT -5
1.) Hogan 2.) Cena3.) Austin 4.) Goldberg 5.) The Rock
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 7:38:33 GMT -5
John Cena is possibly Top 5, but definitely not number 1. Hogan and Austin are 1 and 2 for sure. Not sure which order because both were such huge draws. Maybe Hogan for longevity.
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Post by Spearmint* on Dec 27, 2013 7:49:27 GMT -5
1.) Hogan 2.) Cena 3.) Austin 4.) Goldberg 5.) The Rock For me, I think Goldberg could have been huge if he stayed a few more years. Hell, if Bill Goldberg wanted a Championship match, he could get one. Goldberg is $$$. People would fork over money to see Goldberg in a match. I'm not sure about what criteria your using, But I'm going to answer you with the biggest no I can type: NOJust for emphasis, NONONONONONONONONONO
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 8:04:33 GMT -5
He's one step below Austin & Rock, on par with Hogan tied for 3rd-4th spot.
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Post by Chip on Dec 27, 2013 8:12:53 GMT -5
Greatest in terms of what though? I ask because I'm struggling to wrap my brain around the idea of Goldberg being "greater" then The Undertaker as an over-all performer, in terms of drawing power it'd potentially make sense though.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Dec 27, 2013 8:19:44 GMT -5
1. Austin 2. Hogan 3. Andre 4. Cena 5. Sammartino
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 8:21:00 GMT -5
1. Triple H 2. A. Broom 99. Everyone else
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Dec 27, 2013 8:23:59 GMT -5
1)Austin 2)Hogan 3)Cena 4)Rock 5)Flair
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on Dec 27, 2013 11:12:44 GMT -5
1. Autsin 2. Burt Hart 3. Rick 4. Rice Flair 5. FM Punk
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Post by Freddy BooJangles on Dec 27, 2013 11:14:42 GMT -5
1.) Hogan 2.) Cena 3.) Austin 4.) Goldberg5.) The Rock For me, I think Goldberg could have been huge if he stayed a few more years. Hell, if Bill Goldberg wanted a Championship match, he could get one. "raises eyebrow"
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Post by StuntGranny® on Dec 27, 2013 11:19:11 GMT -5
John Cena isn't remotely close to being the greatest of all time.
However, I respect your opinion and hope you come to your senses one day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2013 11:43:55 GMT -5
Cena's the top guy of the modern era, no question, but kayfabe or otherwise he's nowhere near the greatest ever.
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Post by Rican on Dec 27, 2013 12:09:30 GMT -5
He's definitely top 5 I think. I can't see him surpassing Hogan or Austin.
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Post by Boo! on Dec 27, 2013 12:10:29 GMT -5
Not a hope in hell. I like Cena but he is 'merely' the most prominent superstar of this generation but it's not the most prolific, memorable or important generations.
Hogan, Rock, Austin, Piper and Flair I think would rank above him for various reasons.
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Post by RAW IS GWAR on Dec 27, 2013 12:41:11 GMT -5
∞.THE UNDERTAKER 1.Austin 2.The Rock 3.Hulk Hogan 4.Cena THE END
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Post by DIIV on Dec 27, 2013 13:05:33 GMT -5
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Post by KobashiChop on Dec 27, 2013 13:36:07 GMT -5
Id say Cena is slightly below HHH on the all time greats. Held the top position and could get a consistent reaction. But when HHH wanted to be heel or face, he was over as either. Cena will perennially be booed by many adult crowds because they dont want a corny boyscout who is kind of a dick as the top guy.
Plus he made no significant mark on wrestlings image as a whole. HHH never broke the mould. Hogan, Rock and Austin became stars that transcended THIS BIZNISS.
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Post by Some Guy on Dec 27, 2013 13:44:35 GMT -5
Not a hope in hell. I like Cena but he is 'merely' the most prominent superstar of this generation but it's not the most prolific, memorable or important generations. Hogan, Rock, Austin, Piper and Flair I think would rank above him for various reasons. How is Piper above Cena?
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Post by sunnytaker on Dec 27, 2013 13:53:17 GMT -5
Not a hope in hell. I like Cena but he is 'merely' the most prominent superstar of this generation but it's not the most prolific, memorable or important generations. Hogan, Rock, Austin, Piper and Flair I think would rank above him for various reasons. How is Piper above Cena? possibly in the sense that he appeared in more mainstream stuff outside of wrestling- done more movies and was a huge part in the whole Rock n Wrestling connection that started getting the WWE more crossover/mainstream appeal. so if a non wrestling fan would be asked which of them they had heard of Piper would have the greater chance of being remembered. or at least that's my interpretation
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 27, 2013 15:24:57 GMT -5
Rather than rank the best, it's easier to group them according to tiers.
The top tier, to me, is Hulk Hogan, Steve Austin, the Rock, and the Undertaker. If you were to randomly ask someone on the street, "when I say 'wrestling' who comes to mind?", the answers you would get would either be Hogan or Austin. Hogan practically IS the definition of wrestling to most people considering how long he's been active as the top guy. Austin would be mentioned because he was the top guy during wrestling's hottest period, back when wrestling was both popular AND cool. The Rock has transcended the wrestling business itself and is known as a mega-successful movie star. The Undertaker also deserves a mention because he embodies the spirit of wrestling's gimmickiness. If you were an 18 year old fan in 1990 or a four year old fan in 2013, you know who the Undertaker is, you 'get' him and his gimmick and why he's in wrestling as soon as you see him.
The second tier is where I would place John Cena, along with Ric Flair, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Randy Savage, and Triple H. Very successful in the wrestling business, to the point that they had to carry Vince McMahon's company on their back at any one time. However, if you were to randomly ask someone on the street "when I say 'wrestling' who comes to mind?", I highly doubt people would say, "oh, that thing John Cena does." Which is the same for Hart, Michaels, Savage, and Triple H.
The third tier includes guys like Roddy Piper, Ted DiBiase, Yokozuna, Mankind, Kane, the Big Show, Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Batista, Edge, and CM Punk. These guys are the ones who the others in the top two tiers rely on to be in those tiers in the first place.
I see no point, personally, in ranking Hogan over Austin or Cena over Savage or Piper over Batista because they were each doing different things at different times because they had to. However, I do think that you could easily group wrestlers together in terms of the impact they had on the business itself and popular culture. Has John Cena changed the business at all, then, in this respect? Has he ever had moments that have made wrestling something worth watching within popular culture as a whole? I don't think so. But that's not to say he's not important at all, or that he's not good enough to warrant on being on some form of Top X Wrestlers of All Time list.
But he's not the greatest of all time, despite his kayfabe achievements to the contrary.
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