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Post by 543Y2J on Dec 29, 2013 11:25:55 GMT -5
Is it sad that I was completely upset with what I paid for and saw last night then reading this makes me fall over dying laughing...Please tell me this is fake cause if not its gonna make my year This is at the top of the twitter profile It has no verified tick and it only has 1,300 followers...so I am not that sure. Hmmmmm...
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 29, 2013 11:26:23 GMT -5
Well, just goes to show the only person who can stop Anderson Silva...is Anderson Silva. Not really, Weidman knocked him the f*** out, clowning or not, the first fight, and was straight up kicking his ass this fight pre leg break. It's unfortunate it ended that way, but at no time this fight was Spider in control.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 11:49:46 GMT -5
Holy cow is Ronda good... What an awesome match. And on top of everything the crowd was awesome. I love it.
Glad that Uriah finally beat someone, also happy to hear that he spent some time training with Team Sonnen, that's gonna kickstart his career. There's a huge difference between Hall on TUF with Chael in his corner and Hall in UFC on his own.
Sucks for Anderson, hope he returns for at least one match, win or lose. No one wants to close their career this way IMO.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Dec 29, 2013 12:25:55 GMT -5
I'm still confused as to why Weidman is considered a verified, proven champion now because he won Round 1. People are pushing forth the fact that "Well, he was winning the fight. He had things handled." Great. He won Round 1 and they were having an even Round 2 with a couple better moments for Weidman. Guess that means Weidman was destined to win. Go back in time and hand Chael Sonnen the title because for over 4 Rounds he showed how he was obviously the champion and deserving of the title. It's a bummer, but it's also true that in public eye, Weidman will be seen as a fluke champion. Anderson clowned and beat Anderson followed by a legitimate lucky break is the majority's tale. Point out Weidman double pumping the jab to set up the knockout...people will shrug that off. Point out he worked on checking kicks (I still find that a hilarious talking point shoved forth by a baffled Joe Rogan)...people will shrug that off. Weidman got passive aggressive questions at the presser but he's going to be followed by them until a legitimate title defense. He's in the "Rocky" situation between movies 2 and 3 (But he's already skipped to the constantly hugged by the American Flag from part 4 though). Clubber Lang is coming all hopped up on TRT. While I agree with you to a degree (I wasn't totally sure Weidman had the first fight in hand, though I think he looked more dominant in this second fight with a "serious" Anderson) I also think that is putting Weidman in an impossible situation. Even if he goes on a streak of twelve title defenses and disposes of everyone placed in front of him, people will just say, "Anderson beat those people too" and it will just go back to the idea that Weidman's wins over Anderson were flukes. So even if it is "unfair" to give Weidman the benefit of the doubt that he would have beat Silva more legitimately this second time if the break wouldn't have happened, it will also be unfair if critics look at Weidman as a fluke if he starts plowing through the other contenders. It remains to be seen though. I actually don't think Weidman will run roughshod over the division, but I do think he deserves more credit for these last two fights than he has been given by some.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Dec 29, 2013 13:25:44 GMT -5
I love Ronda, I don't even know why.
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Post by Lupin the Third on Dec 29, 2013 13:45:26 GMT -5
DAMN YOU BIG POPPA PUMP!!! YOU RUINED SID'S CAREER AND NOW YOU'VE RUINED SILVA'S CAREER, YOU ROIDED UP BASTARD!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 13:52:55 GMT -5
I love Ronda, I don't even know why. She's pretty great overall. Hopefully she gets some serious competition some time soon though. Miesha held her own, but it wasn't ever really in doubt.
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Post by Ganon83 on Dec 29, 2013 13:53:09 GMT -5
The Sid account sadly is not real, remember that account at one point got in a fight with somebody in THIS BUSINESS and it was revealed to be a fake.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 29, 2013 15:46:18 GMT -5
Well, just goes to show the only person who can stop Anderson Silva...is Anderson Silva. Not really, Weidman knocked him the f*** out, clowning or not, the first fight, and was straight up kicking his ass this fight pre leg break. It's unfortunate it ended that way, but at no time this fight was Spider in control. THIS. And that is what annoys me so much about the Weidman fluke stuff. At the end of the day speculation means nothing, only result. And the result, for both fights, was Weidman executing a superior fight plan, dominating, and then finishing one fight by knockout, and the other by training to negate and block the only tactic and weapon Silva used successfully in the first fight -- the leg kick. I think the problem is that people have deified Silva to the level that they truly believe the hype; that somehow he's unbeatable or invincible. Instead of just being a man, at the top of his profession, until he wasn't anymore. I saw the same excuses for Fedor. People saying that he beat himself by feeding into Werdum's guard. But that begged the question. If these losses were flukes, why were their wins legitimate? Couldn't anyone make assumptions and scenarios that negated anyone's accomplishments? It's just weird. We need to just deal with cold, hard facts. And the fact was A) Silva only started clowning in the first fight to possibly enter the head of Weidman after being schooled on the ground and out Jiu-jitsu'd. What would have been seen as a brilliant machination had it worked like it had with guys like Griffin, backfired because Silva underestimated Weidman's range. And B) Weidman schooled Silva again, out-struck him on the feet, and then blocked two hard leg kicks --Silva's entire strike base-- to the point where Silva's leg broke in half. It wasn't a slip or a fluke. It was defensive and pre-trained tactic by Weidman to negate Silva's most successful weapon from the last fight. Silva had to be carried out on a stretcher because of Weidman's defense. Weidman stopped him twice. That's the only result that matters. Any other thought process is an inability to accept reality.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Dec 29, 2013 16:59:11 GMT -5
All the bitching about how the fight ended is silly. This is a clear cut victory for Weidman, It wasn't a competitive fight as Weidman was beating the shit out of Silva and I seriously doubt that Anderson was going to pull out a hail mary submission like did against Chael Sonnen.
Bring on Vitor.
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Post by Chuck Conry on Dec 29, 2013 17:02:13 GMT -5
All the same, it is also speculation to say that Anderson would have lost if he hadn't broke his leg last night.
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Post by Manute Bol on Dec 29, 2013 17:05:24 GMT -5
With GSP and Silva done for the foreseeable future, who joins Jon "Bones" Jones at the top tier of UFC stars? I feel like Ronda Rousey and Cain Velasquez would be the obvious two, but are there any others who you could see as a "face of the company" type fighter?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 17:07:57 GMT -5
DAMN YOU BIG POPPA PUMP!!! YOU RUINED SID'S CAREER AND NOW YOU'VE RUINED SILVA'S CAREER, YOU ROIDED UP BASTARD!!! I blame Sid. If he didn't go and hit Steiner's massive chest causing him to feel the power, his leg would be just fine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 17:09:14 GMT -5
I wish that "Sid" said "Welcome to my world Silva... which I am the ruler of..."
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 29, 2013 18:58:29 GMT -5
Personally, I won't buy Weidman as the champion til after his next title fight, assuming Vitor doesn't slip on a banana peel on the way to the cage. Darn good fighter to be undefeated, but not a legitimate champion til he has a legitimate belt victory. The closest thing I've got is him doubling up his jab on Silva. That's it. That's his entire credibility in the title picture to me. He won the initial title fight but doubt will always be there due to Silva's aura. Always.
Also, double personally, I fail to see how Weidman was dominating. He clocked Silva and got solid ground and pound. It was a great 10-9 round for him. Definitely nowhere near a 10-8 and Silva busted the champion open from the bottom with an elbow. The second round felt like it was evening out until the leg injury. I really wish we could've had a full fight.
Despite suggestions otherwise, I believe Weidman could beat Silva in a straight fight. It's just...he didn't. He won by freak injury. He checked a knee to protect himself, not to finish Silva.
I truly hope he beats Vitor (mainly due to a TRT related bias against Belfort) and confirms what should be known by all. That he deserves the championship.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2013 19:18:25 GMT -5
Personally, I won't buy Weidman as the champion til after his next title fight, assuming Vitor doesn't slip on a banana peel on the way to the cage. Darn good fighter to be undefeated, but not a legitimate champion til he has a legitimate belt victory. The closest thing I've got is him doubling up his jab on Silva. That's it. That's his entire credibility in the title picture to me. He won the initial title fight but doubt will always be there due to Silva's aura. Always. Also, double personally, I fail to see how Weidman was dominating. He clocked Silva and got solid ground and pound. It was a great 10-9 round for him. Definitely nowhere near a 10-8 and Silva busted the champion open from the bottom with an elbow. The second round felt like it was evening out until the leg injury. I really wish we could've had a full fight. Despite suggestions otherwise, I believe Weidman could beat Silva in a straight fight. It's just...he didn't. He won by freak injury. He checked a knee to protect himself, not to finish Silva. I truly hope he beats Vitor (mainly due to a TRT related bias against Belfort) and confirms what should be known by all. That he deserves the championship. This is pretty much how I feel about it. I'll give Weidman the first fight just because Silva should know better than to showboat against an UFC level fighter and he did knock him out, but the second fight while he did win, he didn't beat Anderson. In no way should Weidman or anyone else feel as if that is a legitimate victory, it's the equivalent of beating Usain Bolt in 100 meters because he pulls his hamstring at the 20 meter mark. I just wish that it had been a full fight so that we could actually know for sure if Weidman is legit or not. He appears to be a strong fighter but it's impossible for me to say that he is based on Silva acting the fool in fight one and having a freak injury in fight two. He looked good in round one for sure, but how many times have we seen Silva get into trouble and just coast along for a while before landing a big strike or locking a submission out of nowhere? It's just an unfortunate circumstance for Weidman and by proxy the UFC.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 29, 2013 20:08:17 GMT -5
All the same, it is also speculation to say that Anderson would have lost if he hadn't broke his leg last night. True. But there's no such thing as hypotheticals, only reality. And the reality was that he was knocked out cold in the first fight, and was rendered crippled in the second off of a defensive block, premeditated to stop a prime weapon. That's the only result that matters. If you dig any deeper than that, you can question any result in any sporting event ever by creating alternate scenarios. And as for people saying that Weidman never really beat Silva, by the same token, if one was knit-picking, couldn't you also say that Anderson only beat Chael in the last fight because Sonnen missed the spinning back fist? Or that Cain only beat Brock, because Brock did that spazzy flip before being swarmed? Where does the stupid excuses end? The clowning was a machination that Silva's used successfully before, but failed that time, because he miscalculated Weidman's range and power. HE WAS KNOCKED OUT COLD. He was legit beat by a guy who landed a clean punch. THE END. However, what if Silva had've been successful with it, and lulled Weidman in, and finished him? Would people say that Silva only won because Weidman, after a dominating first round, lost his focus? Or would they just look it all as part of the fight game, and a successful implementation of strategy, positioning and skill? This whole Silva thing is infuriating to me as someone who A) was there in press row for both, and B) who's been covering the sport for a decade professionally. I can see split decisions dividing people and causing doubt. But a knock out AND a man collapsing off a checked kick? Come on. It's just butt-hurt fan boy excuses. Last night's kick check was a strategic block. Silva was stopped. He was stretchered out. He didn't slip or run into the cage wall. He tried a devastating offensive strike, designed implicitly to set up a sequential combination, but Weidman, who trained this time to block it, stopped it with his knee, and Silva's leg broke in half. If you try and headbutt me and knock yourself out, you still lose. My head > yours.
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Post by mysterydriver on Dec 30, 2013 0:30:32 GMT -5
Maybe it's not butt-hurt excuses and legitimate doubt in a man's ability to be the absolute top-tier of his division. Yeah. That sucks. I know. It should be infuriating because Weidman is amazingly talented. However...it's going to be there til he gets that win. It may not feel fair, but that is what it comes down to. Many eyes judge in many ways. I don't see it as Silva defending because I don't want to defend Silva. Just want to share my views on the fight. People didn't see a well executed block from weeks of training ("Now, when he kicks, lift your leg, Chris. Good. Now again. Great. Notice how it didn't hurt as bad? Yeah. Repeat until I'm back from Arby's."), they saw a freak accident and a man bragging about how he 'knew' that could happen. Good for him. The second time it's ever happened in the UFC but he totally knew he could do it. (He probably crippled four training partners and covered their bodies with American flags while reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and confirming a request to buy a Bald Eagle on eBay. {Spoiler}America. ) Sleep deprived sarcasm aside...and on a side note: If I headbutt someone and knock myself out...I just knocked myself out. People will mock me for my stupidity. That will be the first reaction. Very few would comment on the other's guys great fighting abilities...unless he's Samoan. In that case, I was super stupid for trying the headbutt. So, I was dumb for trying the headbutt because I knocked myself out and Silva is unlucky his leg went spaghetti because it stopped him. That's the viewpoint I come from. Weidman beat Silva the first time but the aura of Silva's dominance turned it from accomplishment into "He was the guy lucky enough to be there when Silva finally beat Silva." It felt weird when I watched "Cinderella Man" where they hyped the villain boxer as this murder machine whose hands led to two people dying and then when we got to the big payoff fight he starts goofing around like a numbskull. You want to see someone tag a character like that. A person like that. You want their pride to be their downfall. But that's the thing in a nutshell. When they lose, you say "Good job" to the guy who did it because he made them eat their words for being cocky. You don't just assume that means they beat the guy when he's ultra serious. There's daggone movies with that plot...I think. Oh man, the NyQuil's kicking in. Weidman won the second time because Silva's leg tried to transform into Elastic Man and forgot to tell the rest of the body. The man might as well be getting countouts over Triple H and John Cena because he's the Curtis Axel of the UFC with wins like that. (Triple H's Concussion > Anderson Silva's Leg, though both did a good job stealing attention away from the guys credited for doing it) So to close this post before I close my laptop and wonder why I'm tired at work tomorrow: I just want Weidman to clearly beat Vitor Belfort. No slips. No taunting. No freak injuries. I want him to be the guy he should be known to be, but it won't happen til he takes the next step forward as a champion. If he loses to Belfort, he'll be the UFC's equivalent to Dolph Ziggler. Amazing potential and ability, but utterly forgettable as champion despite beating one of the biggest stars in the business. That's a step up from Curtis Axel though, so that's one thing. ...I think I lost focus on where I was going with this one. Oh well.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Dec 30, 2013 1:03:18 GMT -5
Maybe it's not butt-hurt excuses and legitimate doubt in a man's ability to be the absolute top-tier of his division. Yeah. That sucks. I know. It should be infuriating because Weidman is amazingly talented. However...it's going to be there til he gets that win. It may not feel fair, but that is what it comes down to. Many eyes judge in many ways. I don't see it as Silva defending because I don't want to defend Silva. Just want to share my views on the fight. People didn't see a well executed block from weeks of training ("Now, when he kicks, lift your leg, Chris. Good. Now again. Great. Notice how it didn't hurt as bad? Yeah. Repeat until I'm back from Arby's."), they saw a freak accident and a man bragging about how he 'knew' that could happen. Good for him. The second time it's ever happened in the UFC but he totally knew he could do it. (He probably crippled four training partners and covered their bodies with American flags while reciting the Pledge of Allegiance and confirming a request to buy a Bald Eagle on eBay. {Spoiler}Spoiler America. ) Sleep deprived sarcasm aside...and on a side note: If I headbutt someone and knock myself out...I just knocked myself out. People will mock me for my stupidity. That will be the first reaction. Very few would comment on the other's guys great fighting abilities...unless he's Samoan. In that case, I was super stupid for trying the headbutt. So, I was dumb for trying the headbutt because I knocked myself out and Silva is unlucky his leg went spaghetti because it stopped him. That's the viewpoint I come from. Weidman beat Silva the first time but the aura of Silva's dominance turned it from accomplishment into "He was the guy lucky enough to be there when Silva finally beat Silva." It felt weird when I watched "Cinderella Man" where they hyped the villain boxer as this murder machine whose hands led to two people dying and then when we got to the big payoff fight he starts goofing around like a numbskull. You want to see someone tag a character like that. A person like that. You want their pride to be their downfall. But that's the thing in a nutshell. When they lose, you say "Good job" to the guy who did it because he made them eat their words for being cocky. You don't just assume that means they beat the guy when he's ultra serious. There's daggone movies with that plot...I think. Oh man, the NyQuil's kicking in. Weidman won the second time because Silva's leg tried to transform into Elastic Man and forgot to tell the rest of the body. The man might as well be getting countouts over Triple H and John Cena because he's the Curtis Axel of the UFC with wins like that. (Triple H's Concussion > Anderson Silva's Leg, though both did a good job stealing attention away from the guys credited for doing it) So to close this post before I close my laptop and wonder why I'm tired at work tomorrow: I just want Weidman to clearly beat Vitor Belfort. No slips. No taunting. No freak injuries. I want him to be the guy he should be known to be, but it won't happen til he takes the next step forward as a champion. If he loses to Belfort, he'll be the UFC's equivalent to Dolph Ziggler. Amazing potential and ability, but utterly forgettable as champion despite beating one of the biggest stars in the business. That's a step up from Curtis Axel though, so that's one thing. ...I think I lost focus on where I was going with this one. Oh well. I know what your saying, but what average joe's eye's see, and what is actually real are two different things. Weidman's camp went on record before the fight in the press saying that they felt Weidman's one flaw in the last fight (one that he was already ahead on the score cards) was that Silva battered his leg pretty good with leg kicks, which anyone familiar with Silva's base will tell you is his lead off to throw combinations. Leg kick, lunge, strike. Leg kick, lunge, strike. So, they did drill the kick checks for months. They did so because if they did not, it'd be Weidman's leg that would potentially be mush. It was a strategical block. And he did it twice. The first cracked Silva's tibia, the second broke it in two. And as a result of that, Silva collapsed, and was TKO'd as per the parameters of the rules. I'd understand if laymen out there simply thought Silva kicked the leg wrong. But it's been established that this was Weidman's entire strategy to negate the one flaw he had in his game last time, and take away Silva's only advantage. If they don't see that, that's their problem. It doesn't negate that it's fact though. And if you watch the fight again, you'll see Weidman lift the knee evey time like clockwork. It's right there. That's all I'm saying. Weidman's the legit Champion because he won the first fight by knockout. And in the second, he schooled Silva on the ground, almost knocked him out again, out-boxed him, and checked Silva's only two significant strikes in the entire fight. So, by that proxy, what would Weidman have to do to prove naysayers wrong? What's a legit knock out, if the first was not? Why is the ref stopping an exhausted and bloody fighter with no wind, a win in other cases, but a guy crumpled on that mat crying, from a defensive check, is not? That said, I do think that Weidman's LEGACY will be determined in how he defends and fights from here-on-in. But he beat Silva twice as per the rules, scorecards and everything else gauged in deciding a victor. People can think what they want. But they're wrong if they don't think Weidman had his number. Silva showed nothing in either fight to prove that he did. Weidman beat him in every facet of the game, unlike Sonnen who just held Silva down for 23 minutes. Standing, ground, striking, submissions, pace. Weidman owned him. And I say this as someone who actually bet on Silva. Weidman deserves some respect.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Dec 30, 2013 1:30:45 GMT -5
That Sid account is still fake IIRC
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