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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 16:10:56 GMT -5
The story could be completely fixed if they gave Brodus Clay some character. As that NXT promo shows. if you just give the guy a chance...
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 1, 2014 16:20:12 GMT -5
The story could be completely fixed if they gave Brodus Clay some character. As that NXT promo shows. if you just give the guy a chance... NXT is like an alternate dimension. Big E showed loads of personality there. In WWE, he's forced to be virtually mute. |
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Post by mrjl on Jan 1, 2014 16:27:51 GMT -5
Erm...yes I did want some sort of promotion for the guy before he debuted. It's a tried and tested method of bringing in a new guy. Yes again this is called "bad writing". It leads to inconsistent behaviour among the characters in stories. No, because he was the Funkasaurus, a dancer with two backing dancers called the Funkadactyls. Made perfect sense. Santino debuted without hype, so did Christian, Zack Ryder Hell even the Undertaker debuted without hype. and regret and jealousy are not inconsistent emotions, they just require something to happen before you can feel them. |
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Post by mrjl on Jan 1, 2014 16:29:05 GMT -5
"WAAAAAH THE MIDCARDERS SHOULD HAVE MORE STORIES" "WAAAH THIS STORY ABOUT THE MIDCARDERS IS DUMB AND NOT GOING THE WAY I PLANNED" So any story about midcarders should be accepted regardless of whether it makes logical sense? no but your complaint should specify why it doesn't make logical sense. You don't just get to say this doesn't make sense and it's bad writing. Especially when others explain why it makes sense to them |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 1, 2014 16:51:21 GMT -5
So any story about midcarders should be accepted regardless of whether it makes logical sense? no but your complaint should specify why it doesn't make logical sense. You don't just get to say this doesn't make sense and it's bad writing. Especially when others explain why it makes sense to them Some things are independently verifiable. If you have characters who behave inconsistently simply to fit hot shotted booking, then yes it's bad writing, unless they establish that the character themselves are supposed to be inconsistent and prone to mood swings, which they haven't bothered to do. If they had taken the time to establish a cause for jealousy and regret, then it would be fine. With Brodus it's done so quickly, it came across as some sort of bipolar disorder. No pre-hype was appropriate for Christian, since he was playing an enigmatic character The other two have been career jobbers. Hardly a glowing example. That's because he was supposed to be a mystery team member at Survivor Series 1990. It's called "a surprise" |
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Post by mrjl on Jan 1, 2014 17:23:31 GMT -5
no but your complaint should specify why it doesn't make logical sense. You don't just get to say this doesn't make sense and it's bad writing. Especially when others explain why it makes sense to them Some things are independently verifiable. If you have characters who behave inconsistently simply to fit hot shotted booking, then yes it's bad writing, unless they establish that the character themselves are supposed to be inconsistent and prone to mood swings, which they haven't bothered to do. If they had taken the time to establish a cause for jealousy and regret, then it would be fine. With Brodus it's done so quickly, it came across as some sort of bipolar disorder. No pre-hype was appropriate for Christian, since he was playing an enigmatic character The other two have been career jobbers. Hardly a glowing example. That's because he was supposed to be a mystery team member at Survivor Series 1990. It's called "a surprise" So was Woods. Santino has reigns as IC and tag team champion So you think the reason why Brodus is inconsistent here is because it just happened to fast? Regret is one of those emotions that can come on very quickly. But actually showing it isn't generally popular among wrstling fans |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 1, 2014 17:30:24 GMT -5
He wasn't. It was just a random unannounced appearance, without the payoff that a surprise entails.
Which only shows how far the IC and tag titles have fallen.
No, the reason it's inconsistent is because they haven't shown it. If they don't bother making the effort to show the motivations behind character behaviour, it's bad writing, especially since Brodus hadn't really shown that much personal affection or possessiveness towards his dancers previously. They were just his dancers. Nothing more.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jan 1, 2014 17:34:57 GMT -5
They brought in Woods as a "hey I'm happy to be here" smiley-go-lucky smileyman who smiles. No character, no hype, no persona. Nothing. Then out of the blue he's apparently Truth's friend. To my knowledge, no previous mention has been made of this. He just appeared one night on RAW and Truth says "oh this guy.....he's my friend". Then they stick him into a feud that makes him look like the heel, and Brodus as the sympathetic guy who's had his dancers stolen. Piss poor booking all around. Tensai is probably doomed too. I hope you are never one of the ones who ask for subtlty it's not as though Woods had been around for six months. Did you want Truth to talk about this guy for a month before he debuted? Truth brings in a new guy to team with him. That's perfectly logical. And the entire time Woods was with the Funkadactyls using that music the announcers made it clear that Brodus gave his permission. Once you give your okay, you can't just retroactively take it back. Yeah, he can keep Woods from using it again, but he can't change the past. He can't add the caveat "you can use my music and dancers, just don't get more over than me." And the Funkadactyls don't belong to him. Plus of course when Brodus debuted the Funkadactyls appeared with him with no explanation. Did that bother you too? If Brodus can't just take back his decision, then why did he take back his decision in the first place? That's why people are saying that the angle makes no sense or that it's poorly written. Say Brodus this week, instead of getting a jobber entrance, got a minute of promo time. First of all, this addresses the issue that other posters raised in this thread, that Brodus can do a decent promo when he's given the chance. So say Brodus complains that he heard the fan reaction when Woods won, and it made him jealous. That Woods was able to use Brodus' theme music and dancers and be more beloved by the WWE universe in two minutes than he has in almost two years. Boom. Done. We have an explanation. Whether or not it's factually true is irrelevant, because Brodus *believes* it to be true. That's what would make him a heel in this angle. Add in the previous turns against his tag partner, Tensai, and maybe some mistreatment of the Funkadactyls, and then we have a basis of making sense of Brodus as a heel. Furthermore, with some foresight, you could have Brodus start to act heelish BEFORE Woods makes it to TV. And THEN you use Woods as the catalyst for the heel turn. What WWE fails to do much of the time is set-up and pay-off. It's Chekov's gun. From the thread on the first page of this subforum, about forced heel turns, someone said that Macho Man's dirty look was the germ of the heel turn. You set up reasons for a turn, then you do the turn. You don't do the turn and then set up reasons for it. What reasons did Brodus have to turn heel? That's not a rhetorical question. I seriously want to hear from you, specifically, what reasons Brodus had to turn heel in terms of the kayfabiness of WWE's storylines? I mean, have we seen him show regret? Why do the turn now then? Why not have him pal around with Truth and Woods, but he gives Woods the cold shoulder? Why not make his issues with Woods more visible, more prominent, and in some sense, justifiable? Maybe Woods is coming off a bit too cocky for his own good when Brodus had to fight and scrap to get to where he is? But you need to show that! You can't simply have the announcers say "oh, well, Brodus is jealous because Woods has been far more successful in 6 weeks than he has in 2 years!" Because when have we seen this to be the case? And that's what it is now. The script says "Brodus is now the bad guy," and yet people have complained that Woods comes off more heelish? So who are we supposed to be cheering for? Because it's unclear who's morally right here, for the reason that we have no idea why people in the angle think and believe and behave the way they do. |
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Post by mrjl on Jan 1, 2014 18:06:13 GMT -5
I hope you are never one of the ones who ask for subtlty it's not as though Woods had been around for six months. Did you want Truth to talk about this guy for a month before he debuted? Truth brings in a new guy to team with him. That's perfectly logical. And the entire time Woods was with the Funkadactyls using that music the announcers made it clear that Brodus gave his permission. Once you give your okay, you can't just retroactively take it back. Yeah, he can keep Woods from using it again, but he can't change the past. He can't add the caveat "you can use my music and dancers, just don't get more over than me." And the Funkadactyls don't belong to him. Plus of course when Brodus debuted the Funkadactyls appeared with him with no explanation. Did that bother you too? If Brodus can't just take back his decision, then why did he take back his decision in the first place? That's why people are saying that the angle makes no sense or that it's poorly written. Say Brodus this week, instead of getting a jobber entrance, got a minute of promo time. First of all, this addresses the issue that other posters raised in this thread, that Brodus can do a decent promo when he's given the chance. So say Brodus complains that he heard the fan reaction when Woods won, and it made him jealous. That Woods was able to use Brodus' theme music and dancers and be more beloved by the WWE universe in two minutes than he has in almost two years. Boom. Done. We have an explanation. Whether or not it's factually true is irrelevant, because Brodus *believes* it to be true. That's what would make him a heel in this angle. Add in the previous turns against his tag partner, Tensai, and maybe some mistreatment of the Funkadactyls, and then we have a basis of making sense of Brodus as a heel. Furthermore, with some foresight, you could have Brodus start to act heelish BEFORE Woods makes it to TV. And THEN you use Woods as the catalyst for the heel turn. What WWE fails to do much of the time is set-up and pay-off. It's Chekov's gun. From the thread on the first page of this subforum, about forced heel turns, someone said that Macho Man's dirty look was the germ of the heel turn. You set up reasons for a turn, then you do the turn. You don't do the turn and then set up reasons for it. What reasons did Brodus have to turn heel? That's not a rhetorical question. I seriously want to hear from you, specifically, what reasons Brodus had to turn heel in terms of the kayfabiness of WWE's storylines? I mean, have we seen him show regret? Why do the turn now then? Why not have him pal around with Truth and Woods, but he gives Woods the cold shoulder? Why not make his issues with Woods more visible, more prominent, and in some sense, justifiable? Maybe Woods is coming off a bit too cocky for his own good when Brodus had to fight and scrap to get to where he is? But you need to show that! You can't simply have the announcers say "oh, well, Brodus is jealous because Woods has been far more successful in 6 weeks than he has in 2 years!" Because when have we seen this to be the case? And that's what it is now. The script says "Brodus is now the bad guy," and yet people have complained that Woods comes off more heelish? So who are we supposed to be cheering for? Because it's unclear who's morally right here, for the reason that we have no idea why people in the angle think and believe and behave the way they do. in kayfabe, his dislike of Woods wasn't the reason for his heel turn, but Tensai and the Funkadactyl's didn't support him in his dislike of Woods. I have no idea why people say Woods come off as more heelish. He has done nothing that has a moral component that could make him wrong. |
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Post by JCBaggee on Jan 1, 2014 21:32:13 GMT -5
Maybe he's just there put over Xavier Woods? Impossible. Xavier's only there so they can turn Brodus heel while keeping The Funkadactyls as faces. |
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Post by lildude8218 on Jan 1, 2014 21:33:48 GMT -5
it was Xavier Woods' fault for going "Quack Quack, Brodus! Quack Quack!"
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jan 1, 2014 21:36:20 GMT -5
And it's not even the plucky babyfaces overcoming the big bully heel. Every match, whether it's Brodus vs Tensai, or Truth, or Xavier, Brodus is winning until one of the others comes out with the funkadactyls and the theme and distracts him.
So unintentionally, they're making Brodus into a more sympathetic babyface by having him constantly getting ganged up on by a bunch of jackasses.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 1, 2014 21:53:30 GMT -5
And it's not even the plucky babyfaces overcoming the big bully heel. Every match, whether it's Brodus vs Tensai, or Truth, or Xavier, Brodus is winning until one of the others comes out with the funkadactyls and the theme and distracts him. So unintentionally, they're making Brodus into a more sympathetic babyface by having him constantly getting ganged up on by a bunch of jackasses. Brodus is still not sympathetic, because he's the one that started the whole feud with Truth and Woods in the first place. You can't have a guy that goes around attacking people for little reason, and then think people are suppose to feel bad for him when his victims use whatever means necessary to fight back. It's like saying a robber should be sympathized with because he got attacked by 2 people when he tried to steal from their home. |
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Post by The Masked Heel WAS WRONG on Jan 1, 2014 21:53:58 GMT -5
So unintentionally, they're making Brodus into a more sympathetic babyface by having him constantly getting ganged up on by a bunch of jackasses. Read it as Brodus was getting gang banged by a bunch of jackasses. I then wondered if Russo was back and gave Brodus a bestiality gimmick. |
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Post by BigJerichool222 on Jan 1, 2014 22:01:09 GMT -5
His new theme is TERRIBLE
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