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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2014 8:44:25 GMT -5
I can see the fusion of hair metal and what would eventually become '90s rock sounding a lot like Ugly Kid Joe.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Feb 5, 2014 9:34:13 GMT -5
the whole "Hair metal was killed by grunge" thing isn't really true. a lot of that stuff was still pretty successful until like 1993 (Def Leppard and Warrant for example had some of their biggest hits during that period). what really killed hair metal was that there were way too many "me too" bands overcrowding the scene, and the changes in society and the economy coupled with the AIDS crisis reaching its peak and changing attitudes towards alcoholism and drug abuse caused the themes of hair metal to fall out of style. additionally, the thrash bands like Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax and Slayer were starting to get more attention, so kids who were turned onto hair metal because of its aggressive factor found bands that were heavier, darker, more intricate and just plain better to get what they wanted. same thing that eventually happened to nu-metal, actually (just replace sex/drugs/rock n roll with teen angst and the thrash bands with metalcore bands).
and if Nirvana weren't around to make grunge huge, Pearl Jam/Soundgarden/Alice in Chains would've still done it anyway. the only real difference would be that instead of "Smells like Teen Spirit", either "Evenflow" or "Man in the Box" would be the main cultural touchstone.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Feb 5, 2014 9:38:03 GMT -5
Probably some hybrid of Guns n Roses and Black album era Metallica. Probably something like this. People forgot that between 92-94, actual metal still kept going. I wonder if death metal and such would have become the norm. as a hardcore death metal kid, I say probably not. the vocals and instrumentation just have zero mainstream appeal. you have to want to like it before you can like it.
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Post by Yami Daimao on Feb 5, 2014 10:15:30 GMT -5
and if Nirvana weren't around to make grunge huge, Pearl Jam/Soundgarden/Alice in Chains would've still done it anyway. the only real difference would be that instead of "Smells like Teen Spirit", either "Evenflow" or "Man in the Box" would be the main cultural touchstone. Pretty much what I came in here to say. Nirvana is one of my top all-time favorite acts, but I can say with confidence that if Nirvana wasn't around, the grunge movement would have still came and went exactly as it did, but with a different poster act between Soundgarden, REM, Alice In Chains, and Pearl Jam. Out of those four, I think Pearl Jam or REM would have been that band.
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 5, 2014 12:24:41 GMT -5
and if Nirvana weren't around to make grunge huge, Pearl Jam/Soundgarden/Alice in Chains would've still done it anyway. the only real difference would be that instead of "Smells like Teen Spirit", either "Evenflow" or "Man in the Box" would be the main cultural touchstone. Being fair, I don't know if that really "is" the case. "Ten" was released months before "Nevermind" was, and never really got a foothold until "Smells Like Teen Spirit" hit. Alice in Chains was originally a hair metal band and changed their sound when grunge hit, so the odds they still would have is a question as well.
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Post by RadcapRadsley on Feb 5, 2014 12:44:30 GMT -5
No Grunge means when Hair Metal died it would open a space for Foghat to make a comeback.
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Post by ZERO on Feb 5, 2014 18:17:50 GMT -5
I would personally have hoped for Shoegaze to become the dominant genre. Making Kevin Shields' guitar the voice of a generation:
The weirdest single ever to trouble the UK singles chart.
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Post by Glitch on Feb 5, 2014 19:22:21 GMT -5
If the entire grunge genre itself had never existed(or become so big), music in the 90s might have been like it was in Japan in the 90s. New Wave and hair metal didn't go away there. It simply evolved into something else(like Visual Kei). Although not that grunge never set foot in Japan, since Nirvana and other bands did concerts there.
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Post by agent817 on Feb 5, 2014 22:53:00 GMT -5
Rap would have had an earlier, longer run. It was already starting with MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice, and by about 1994, had pretty much overtaken rock as the most popular music genre. Well, by that point, West Coast rap, particularly stuff from Death Row Records, were already dominating the music world in some areas. Hell, it wasn't until Biggie came out and put the East back on the map, even though there were some good East Coast artists.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Feb 5, 2014 23:03:23 GMT -5
Prog Rock would have made its triumphant return.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 5, 2014 23:06:42 GMT -5
I think the big decade-changing moment in music would be what if 9/11 didn't happen? The summer of 2001 has they absolutely weirdest amalgamation of novelty hits, cross-genre collisions an just bizarre acts that really couldn't have existed with that kind of mainstream push in any other era of the music industry, but after the towers fell were never heard from again. How much weirder would things have gotten in a post- Little T and One Track Mike, Afroman, Bad Ronald world? Without 9/11 we wouldnt have had My Chemical Romance since Gerard Ray was inspired by the 9/11 attacks to do something with his life.
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Post by wildojinx on Feb 5, 2014 23:08:42 GMT -5
Prog Rock would have made its triumphant return. To be fair, Queensryche and Dream Theater were pretty big at that point, and IIRC, Rush was getting some significant airplay around this time as well ("What's My Thing" was even played over the end credits of the 1992 royal rumble), so you're not that far off.
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Post by nickcave on Feb 6, 2014 2:37:38 GMT -5
I would personally have hoped for Shoegaze to become the dominant genre. Making Kevin Shields' guitar the voice of a generation: The weirdest single ever to trouble the UK singles chart. Grunge really did kill off Shoegaze's attempts to cross over to the US as the dominant alternative genre. In fact, most alternative radio in the US were British based bands like the Cure and Morrissey before Nirvana hit and once grunge took over, alternative radio became increasingly American-centric making it difficult for bands across the seas to cross over.
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 6, 2014 3:57:37 GMT -5
No Doubt's self-titled debut CD would've been a big hit, leading to Sublime becoming a big deal with "40 oz. to Freedom" around 1992-93 (or vice versa). A ska revolution would've been in place of the grunge one.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Feb 6, 2014 5:00:06 GMT -5
Hair metal would've instead been replaced by ska punk. Yeah I honestly think thirdwave ska would have gotten a big 'push' and really taken off, not that it wasn't a big thing in it's own way anyway.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Feb 6, 2014 5:48:22 GMT -5
If it wasn't Nirvana that killed hair metal it would have been someone else. Soundgarden and Pantera had already gotten started and some serious airplay on MTV before Smells Like Teen Spirit came on the scene. Metallica, Skid Row, and Megadeth were all getting ready to release serious rock albums around that time. Nine Inch Nails was already a hit. Queensryche was getting ready to release Empire. Hell, even a few hair metal staples wanted to be more serious. Cinderella had demonstrated that they wanted to be a blues rock band instead of a hair band (Long Cold Winter was an awesome album). Even the worst offenders of hair metal, Warrant, had wanted to be more than a pop rock band. Uncle Tom's Cabin was intended by the band (by that I mean Jani Lane) to be their defining song only to have the label focus their marketing on a song Lane farted out in fifteen minutes to get the label rep off of his back. Good points. Hard rock was going strong with solid albums from Aerosmith, Guns N' Roses, and The Black Crowes. Looking at a completely different genre of music, rap really had a good thing going on with the 'gangsta rap' craze of the early 90s and great albums by NWA, Eazy-E, Ice Cube, Wu-Tang, and Public Enemy, not to mention great songs like "Rumpshaker" (Wreckz-N-Effect), "What Would You Do?" (Tha Dogg Pound Gang), "Slam" (Onyx), etc.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Feb 6, 2014 8:54:11 GMT -5
and if Nirvana weren't around to make grunge huge, Pearl Jam/Soundgarden/Alice in Chains would've still done it anyway. the only real difference would be that instead of "Smells like Teen Spirit", either "Evenflow" or "Man in the Box" would be the main cultural touchstone. Being fair, I don't know if that really "is" the case. "Ten" was released months before "Nevermind" was, and never really got a foothold until "Smells Like Teen Spirit" hit. Alice in Chains was originally a hair metal band and changed their sound when grunge hit, so the odds they still would have is a question as well. Alice in Chains had ceased to be a hair band LONG before Grunge hit.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Feb 6, 2014 9:52:35 GMT -5
Maybe if the Grunge movement had been delayed for a little while longer this band could have been a big hit:
I just love that song.
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Post by 2point5d on Feb 8, 2014 12:48:13 GMT -5
Glam Metal would've died regardless. People were already getting sick of those unoriginal Bon Jovi knockoffs like Poison, Winger, Warrant and Slaughter. People wanted something different for the 90s, and they were moving towards Alternative Metal.
Faith No More, Jane's Addiction, Living Colour and Pantera were huge before Nirvana and Grunge took over, and would've been even bigger if Grunge didn't hit. None of them were hair bands. Sure Pantera did Glam Metal before, but they didn't gain any attention until they changed their sound to Groove Metal with Cowboys From Hell in 1990. Faith No More, Living Colour and Jane's Addiction have never done Glam Metal, they've always been Alternative Metal.
The only Seattle bands that would've made it without the Grunge movement were Soundgarden and Alice in Chains (the latter who also started as a hair band but changed their style), both who were pretty well-known prior to Nirvana's emergence. Though technically Grunge bands, no one outside of Seattle considered them that. Both were considered Alternative Metal.
Even without Nirvana and Grunge, Alternative Metal would've killed Glam Metal (it was already doing that in 1990) and took over as the go-to rock genre of the early-mid 90s.
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