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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 19, 2014 18:23:41 GMT -5
I know this has been debated on here before, but is there a definite number? Also, could we break down clean as a whistle pins as opposed to gray area pins. For example, IIRC The Rock beat Cena clean as a whistle at WM 28, but when Punk beat Cena at MITB 2011 and Orton beat Cena at TLC 2013 it was more gray area stuff then straight clean or straight dirty.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Feb 19, 2014 18:25:16 GMT -5
Batista and Orton have clean wins over him, as do Triple H and Big Show. Then in the past couple of years he's lost to The Rock and Daniel Bryan clean as a sheet.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Feb 19, 2014 18:38:50 GMT -5
Batista and Orton have clean wins over him, as do Triple H and Big Show. Then in the past couple of years he's lost to The Rock and Daniel Bryan clean as a sheet. I think the argument can be made that Daniel Bryan was gray area. True Cena's injury was non-kayfabe, but WWE spent a lot of time emphasizing that Cena wasn't going into the match anywhere near 100 percent. Not sure about the Batista, Orton, Triple H and Big Show wins. Which one's specifically are you talking about?
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Post by James Fabiano on Feb 19, 2014 18:41:21 GMT -5
Didn't he lose to Tensai?
For being "Super Cena," he does lose more often than other faces of the company have in the past. Hogan couldn't show weakness in even a non-title situation! (see: Royal Rumble '90, if Netcop History is to be believed)
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Post by No Name is needed Bro Beans on Feb 19, 2014 18:42:46 GMT -5
Shawn micheals in england
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 18:43:00 GMT -5
Didn't he lose to Tensai? For being "Super Cena," he does lose more often than other faces of the company have in the past. Yep, on RAW I believe.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Feb 19, 2014 18:43:15 GMT -5
Batista and Orton have clean wins over him, as do Triple H and Big Show. Then in the past couple of years he's lost to The Rock and Daniel Bryan clean as a sheet. I think the argument can be made that Daniel Bryan was gray area. True Cena's injury was non-kayfabe, but WWE spent a lot of time emphasizing that Cena wasn't going into the match anywhere near 100 percent. Not sure about the Batista, Orton, Triple H and Big Show wins. Which one's specifically are you talking about? I don't think Cena's injury matters unless it played a part in the finish, like if the finish was Cena lifting Bryan for the AA only to drop him and grasp his arm in pain, or Bryan kicking the giant baseball elbow to gain the advantage, and then he knees Cena's face off while Cena is AAAAHHHHH SSSSSHHHHH-ing his arm.
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Post by Kayfabe FAN don't want none on Feb 19, 2014 18:44:39 GMT -5
Shawn, HHH, Big Show, Khali, Rock. ^ these guys clean as f***.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 19, 2014 18:45:42 GMT -5
Batista and Orton have clean wins over him, as do Triple H and Big Show. Then in the past couple of years he's lost to The Rock and Daniel Bryan clean as a sheet. I think the argument can be made that Daniel Bryan was gray area. True Cena's injury was non-kayfabe, but WWE spent a lot of time emphasizing that Cena wasn't going into the match anywhere near 100 percent. Not sure about the Batista, Orton, Triple H and Big Show wins. Which one's specifically are you talking about? What grey area is there for Bryan? That was clean as clean can be, no doubt. By by that logic, a lot of clean victories are dirty. Cena knew he was hurt going in, he decided to wrestle anyway, wrestled as good a match as he ever did, and got beat. He lost to Batista at Summerslam 2008, HHH at NOC 2008, Big Show on a random episode of RAW in 2009 (I think), and to Orton at HIAC in 2009. He also lost to HBK in that long match on Raw cleanly.
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Post by fazzle on Feb 19, 2014 18:49:01 GMT -5
Didn't he lose clean to Justin Gabriel during the nexus buildup?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 18:49:11 GMT -5
I would say the Bryan win counts as clean. They didn't really bring the injury up until the night after the match, and Cena outright said in his promo that night that the injury wasn't an excuse and Bryan was the better man.
Also, I remember during the build to I think it was Mania 23, they had a Cena / Taker match on Raw. It ended in a DQ after a run-in from someone or other (Rated RKO maybe?), but the whole match was Cena getting his ass kicked and Taker was just about to hit the tombstone when they interrupted.
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Post by A damn road sign on Feb 19, 2014 18:50:01 GMT -5
A lot more than people like to pretend he's been.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Feb 19, 2014 18:51:53 GMT -5
Didn't he lose clean to Justin Gabriel during the nexus buildup? Depends on who you ask. Gabriel pinned him in a elimination tag match after Cena tapped out Otunga with the STF and was rolling out of the move. You could make the argument that it doesn't count since Cena was clearly caught off-guard in a multi-man match but there was nothing illegal about it. Just crafty timing by Gabriel. So, I would call it clean.
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Post by psychokiller on Feb 19, 2014 18:53:58 GMT -5
I remember Khali beat him on Saturday Night Main Event back in 2007 in 6 or 7 minutes. It was completely clean too. The last & probably only time he'll ever be dominated in a match as the face of the company.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 19, 2014 19:44:21 GMT -5
Wait? How was the Punk match at MITB 2011 not clean?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2014 19:51:01 GMT -5
Wait? How was the Punk match at MITB 2011 not clean? He had Punk helpless in the STF and proceeded to jump out of the ring, go punch Laurinaitis, and run back inside straight into the GTS. He lost entirely due to pride and Vince deciding to try and pull the Montreal thing - Punk really didn't beat him on his own.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Feb 19, 2014 19:51:51 GMT -5
K-Fed counts as clean since it was no DQ right? He should still be owed a title shot for that.
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Post by CH Punk on Feb 19, 2014 19:54:41 GMT -5
Wait? How was the Punk match at MITB 2011 not clean? Cena has Punk in the STF in the middle of the ring, so Vince ordered Laurinaitis to go ring the bell (to screw Punk). Cena rolls out of the ring and clocks Big Johnny and has a stare down with Vince. The distraction gave Punk the time to recover, so when Cena enters the ring, he's instantly caught with a match ending GTS. In other words, one might argue that Punk might have tapped if Cena had kept it on, but he was definitely going to lose with the screwjob.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 19, 2014 19:54:51 GMT -5
Wait? How was the Punk match at MITB 2011 not clean? He had Punk helpless in the STF and proceeded to jump out of the ring, go punch Laurinaitis, and run back inside straight into the GTS. He lost entirely due to pride and Vince deciding to try and pull the Montreal thing - Punk really didn't beat him on his own. I'd call that clean but I can see the grey area argument.
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Post by hossfan on Feb 19, 2014 20:02:09 GMT -5
It was No DQ, but I remember Cena losing a Street Fight to JBL at a Pay Per View. Great American Bash maybe? It was the match where Cena went through the car windshield. I don't really remember any major shenanigans, either.
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