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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Mar 13, 2014 18:27:53 GMT -5
Oh, damni........oh, wait, I got Chris Pine and Chris Pratt confused again. Whatever, don't care. I was about to say "Andy Dwyer got a DUI"?
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Post by slappy on Mar 13, 2014 18:28:10 GMT -5
Also wasn't Bieber racing a lambo while intoxicated? No. TMZ got the rental car info and it showed he was not.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on Mar 13, 2014 18:35:50 GMT -5
It is an isolated incident and not a behavior pattern. Tell that to the people Pine could have killed. That same sentence (obviously with Bieber's name) was said when he was arrested. People just like to attack those they dislike and ignore the bad things that others they may like or feel indifferent about do. I never said Pine is forgiven, the question was why was he treated differently than Bieber. I answered.
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Post by slappy on Mar 13, 2014 18:48:53 GMT -5
Tell that to the people Pine could have killed. That same sentence (obviously with Bieber's name) was said when he was arrested. People just like to attack those they dislike and ignore the bad things that others they may like or feel indifferent about do. I never said Pine is forgiven, the question was why was he treated differently than Bieber. I answered. I have nothing against you or anyone in this thread. I just wish people would either condemn all who get a DUI or none; don't pick and choose who gets attacked for it.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 13, 2014 19:59:52 GMT -5
In the immortal words of so many others: "Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh." Bias is a powerful thing, it enables rationalizing away things that should be let to stand. But, using the line "Tell that to the people <blank> could have killed," is moronic. It is inflammatory, and not based in logic. Chris Pine made a mistake, we are willing to forgive him because he hasn't shown a repeated pattern of behavior that would make people not want to. If you do not want to be so forgiving to him, by all means. What he did was irresponsible. I agree with your assessment of that statement. It was ridiculous when said after Bieber was arrested, it's ridiculous now. But we shouldn't lessen the severity of what Pine did. Driving under the influence is stupid and reckless. We shouldn't condemn a guy who drove drunk once and injures someone less than someone who drove drunk four times and injured no one. It doesn't matter how many times you have done bad things, once could be enough to cause lasting damage. Except you used 'could' again. I get it, I get it, court of public opinion can hold court over the possible ramifications of actions taken. I understand that. ...It doesn't make it less stupid. Listen, I have no sympathy for Chris Pine. He is moderately wealthy, or ought to be. Enough so that he can afford to get a taxi pretty much anywhere, but the important thing is that he did NOT harm anyone, despite making a piss poor judgement call while IMPAIRED. He is not a mustache twirling villain. That is the take away. A single lapse in judgement that causes no harm to others, while not to be lauded, does not need to be a point of vilification. No one sets out, while cackling maniacally, to drive as drunk as possible.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Mar 13, 2014 20:12:59 GMT -5
How many irresponsible acts is it going to take for Star Fleet to take this man's starship away and kick him out? They'll just give it back to him eventually.
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Post by slappy on Mar 13, 2014 22:18:48 GMT -5
I agree with your assessment of that statement. It was ridiculous when said after Bieber was arrested, it's ridiculous now. But we shouldn't lessen the severity of what Pine did. Driving under the influence is stupid and reckless. We shouldn't condemn a guy who drove drunk once and injures someone less than someone who drove drunk four times and injured no one. It doesn't matter how many times you have done bad things, once could be enough to cause lasting damage. Except you used 'could' again. I get it, I get it, court of public opinion can hold court over the possible ramifications of actions taken. I understand that. ...It doesn't make it less stupid. Listen, I have no sympathy for Chris Pine. He is moderately wealthy, or ought to be. Enough so that he can afford to get a taxi pretty much anywhere, but the important thing is that he did NOT harm anyone, despite making a piss poor judgement call while IMPAIRED. He is not a mustache twirling villain. That is the take away. A single lapse in judgement that causes no harm to others, while not to be lauded, does not need to be a point of vilification. No one sets out, while cackling maniacally, to drive as drunk as possible. When I said "could be enough to cause lasting damage" I didn't mean to their reputation. I meant actually harming someone. It only takes one time to drive drunk and hurt someone. It's not like you don't hurt anyone until your third or fourth time doing it. I have nothing against Chris Pine. I'm only doing this to show how hypocritical people are.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Mar 13, 2014 22:26:07 GMT -5
Tell that to the people Pine could have killed. ...everyone?
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Mar 13, 2014 22:29:33 GMT -5
I don't like Justin Bieber. He's a prat for drinking while driving.
I like Chris Pine. He's a prat for drinking while driving.
'Nuff Said.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 13, 2014 22:54:24 GMT -5
Except you used 'could' again. I get it, I get it, court of public opinion can hold court over the possible ramifications of actions taken. I understand that. ...It doesn't make it less stupid. Listen, I have no sympathy for Chris Pine. He is moderately wealthy, or ought to be. Enough so that he can afford to get a taxi pretty much anywhere, but the important thing is that he did NOT harm anyone, despite making a piss poor judgement call while IMPAIRED. He is not a mustache twirling villain. That is the take away. A single lapse in judgement that causes no harm to others, while not to be lauded, does not need to be a point of vilification. No one sets out, while cackling maniacally, to drive as drunk as possible. When I said "could be enough to cause lasting damage" I didn't mean to their reputation. I meant actually harming someone. It only takes one time to drive drunk and hurt someone. It's not like you don't hurt anyone until your third or fourth time doing it. I have nothing against Chris Pine. I'm only doing this to show how hypocritical people are. I... See, I wasn't talking about his reputation either. I am talking in general. You are using 'could' as a hinge statement to hang a man. That is illogical. That is where I am taking umbrage. Further there is no hypocrisy. There is context. Chris Pine's actions are happening in a different context than Justin Bieber's, as such there are different judgements to be made, differ conclusions drawn. We are not equal. Ever.
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Post by slappy on Mar 13, 2014 23:13:28 GMT -5
When I said "could be enough to cause lasting damage" I didn't mean to their reputation. I meant actually harming someone. It only takes one time to drive drunk and hurt someone. It's not like you don't hurt anyone until your third or fourth time doing it. I have nothing against Chris Pine. I'm only doing this to show how hypocritical people are. I... See, I wasn't talking about his reputation either. I am talking in general. You are using 'could' as a hinge statement to hang a man. That is illogical. That is where I am taking umbrage. Further there is no hypocrisy. There is context. Chris Pine's actions are happening in a different context than Justin Bieber's, as such there are different judgements to be made, differ conclusions drawn. We are not equal. Ever. You mentioned public opinion so I took that as talking about his reputation. My could statement was not about him, it was a general statement about drunk drivers. The context is both drove under the influence but one is severely hated and one people either like or feel indifferent about. The one that's hated will get all the condemnation people can bring down upon him while the other won't even cross their mind. And this isn't about Chris Pine, if it was Patrick Stewart or another liked celebrity getting a DUI I would have made the same post and pointed out the hypocrisy there.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 13, 2014 23:52:22 GMT -5
I... See, I wasn't talking about his reputation either. I am talking in general. You are using 'could' as a hinge statement to hang a man. That is illogical. That is where I am taking umbrage. Further there is no hypocrisy. There is context. Chris Pine's actions are happening in a different context than Justin Bieber's, as such there are different judgements to be made, differ conclusions drawn. We are not equal. Ever. You mentioned public opinion so I took that as talking about his reputation. My could statement was not about him, it was a general statement about drunk drivers. The context is both drove under the influence but one is severely hated and one people either like or feel indifferent about. The one that's hated will get all the condemnation people can bring down upon him while the other won't even cross their mind. And this isn't about Chris Pine, if it was Patrick Stewart or another liked celebrity getting a DUI I would have made the same post and pointed out the hypocrisy there. I don't quite get what your point is. Yeah, Beiber got more insults hurled his way than Pine did... because Beiber has also had several other incidents of bad behavior and acting like an asshole before his DUI arrest. As far as I can tell Chris Pine has not... so it's hardly a wonder that someone that has seemingly kept his nose clean generally doesn't get the vitriol that someone like Beiber gets.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 13, 2014 23:54:18 GMT -5
I... See, I wasn't talking about his reputation either. I am talking in general. You are using 'could' as a hinge statement to hang a man. That is illogical. That is where I am taking umbrage. Further there is no hypocrisy. There is context. Chris Pine's actions are happening in a different context than Justin Bieber's, as such there are different judgements to be made, differ conclusions drawn. We are not equal. Ever. You mentioned public opinion so I took that as talking about his reputation. My could statement was not about him, it was a general statement about drunk drivers. The context is both drove under the influence but one is severely hated and one people either like or feel indifferent about. The one that's hated will get all the condemnation people can bring down upon him while the other won't even cross their mind. And this isn't about Chris Pine, if it was Patrick Stewart or another liked celebrity getting a DUI I would have made the same post and pointed out the hypocrisy there. And I am saying this is a contextual component getting missed. You say "A should always equate to B when both do C." What I am saying is "Yeah, C is a universal concept. But B has proven to be a colossal tool. Whereas A hasn't shown poor judgement, and 'bad' behavior." Or to be a bit more universal, "The action C is not the SOLE DEFINING ACT of A and B." There is more to them, their lives, choices, and actions up until this point that will change who others view the shared action they take. There is no hypocrisy here. There would be, if we were praising Chris Pine for his drunk driving (I would prefer the Cool Hand Luke way, "That's some mighty fine drunk drivin', mighty fine.") But that isn't the case. We all have universally stated that it was shitty of Chris Pine to do that. Further let's actually define hypocrisy: Again, by textbook, this is not hypocrisy. This is us measure them on different standards, on most of letting the other actions of the person weigh in on how we view them.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 14, 2014 0:05:01 GMT -5
You mentioned public opinion so I took that as talking about his reputation. My could statement was not about him, it was a general statement about drunk drivers. The context is both drove under the influence but one is severely hated and one people either like or feel indifferent about. The one that's hated will get all the condemnation people can bring down upon him while the other won't even cross their mind. And this isn't about Chris Pine, if it was Patrick Stewart or another liked celebrity getting a DUI I would have made the same post and pointed out the hypocrisy there. And I am saying this is a contextual component getting missed. You say "A should always equate to B when both do C." What I am saying is "Yeah, C is a universal concept. But B has proven to be a colossal tool. Whereas A hasn't shown poor judgement, and 'bad' behavior." Or to be a bit more universal, "The action C is not the SOLE DEFINING ACT of A and B." There is more to them, their lives, choices, and actions up until this point that will change who others view the shared action they take. There is no hypocrisy here. There would be, if we were praising Chris Pine for his drunk driving (I would prefer the Cool Hand Luke way, "That's some mighty fine drunk drivin', mighty fine.") But that isn't the case. We all have universally stated that it was shitty of Chris Pine to do that. Further let's actually define hypocrisy: Again, by textbook, this is not hypocrisy. This is us measure them on different standards, on most of letting the other actions of the person weigh in on how we view them. Yeah... this... this is what I was trying to say basically
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Post by Orange on Mar 14, 2014 0:07:18 GMT -5
Overall driving while drunk is stupid for normal people, but it's astoundingly stupid when dealing with wealthy celebrities who have the means to call a taxi for themselves. Sure, Pine hasn't done as many stupid things as Bieber did, but if he had been like Vince Neil, who drove drunk once and killed somebody everybody would be singing a different tune.
Taking Pine and Bieber out of it, I really just don't understand why they can't call cabs for themselves. If regular people can be smart enough to not drive intoxicated (some regular people), very wealthy celebrities have no excuses.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 14, 2014 1:22:36 GMT -5
The way I see it is someone who has DUI'd once has, normally, made a mistake and will learn from it. While they should be punished they also deserve a second chance.
Someone who has DUI'd multiple times and shows no sign of not repeat offending deserves the book thrown at them without mercy.
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