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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2014 18:41:20 GMT -5
While it is steeped in history, if TNA crushed at the ballroom, it really wouldn't do a thing in terms of helping the company. Even WoM about how great the show was still would be very limited. The audience there won't be able to deign them as a "legit wrestling company" or whatever. I'm not saying the ballroom isn't historic, just that running a successful show there doesn't really mean anything outside of being able to say you ran a show there which I can't imagine will help you sell more tickets to your next show, sell more merch, increase ad revenue or anything substitantive. If they can fill the ballroom, that is more ticket Mobey than they are making at the Impact Zone. If they can establish a fan base in NYC, they can expand in a new market. Personally I won't hold my breath in either just yet, but they do have to look further than the studio at the Universal park in Floruda eventually. * added-because of the Balllroom's wrestling tradition, it might actually improve their odds of drawing a decent crowd. Alright, that's a fair arguement. But to me, since they didn't sell out the last time they were there, I don't see it happening the next three times unless they promote like mad (which would probably work with any venue). My whole issue was if the cost of renting the place is substantially more than another, similar venue that's not "THE BALLROOM!!" then it seems like a waste.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 19, 2014 18:49:25 GMT -5
If they can fill the ballroom, that is more ticket Mobey than they are making at the Impact Zone. If they can establish a fan base in NYC, they can expand in a new market. Personally I won't hold my breath in either just yet, but they do have to look further than the studio at the Universal park in Floruda eventually. * added-because of the Balllroom's wrestling tradition, it might actually improve their odds of drawing a decent crowd. Alright, that's a fair arguement. But to me, since they didn't sell out the last time they were there, I don't see it happening the next three times unless they promote like mad (which would probably work with any venue). My whole issue was if the cost of renting the place is substantially more than another, similar venue that's not "THE BALLROOM!!" then it seems like a waste. On that I will agree. If TNA can fill the Ballroom, that is a pretty decent gait for a promotion of they're size-but filling the place is the challenge. Thst is where the Ballroom's history and legacy might be helpful, since there is a pre-existing audience for wrestling already. But yes, they need to promote like crazy and do everything they can to put on good episodes of Impact leading up rider as the audience in, because giving out free tickets is nit so ethical g the can keep doing if they want to make money.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 19, 2014 19:02:38 GMT -5
The problem of running shows in NYC is the high cost of renting buildings in that market. There is a reason why major indies don't run show regularly in that market. Because you have to bring in a full house and sell a ton of merch in order to break even. Considering TNA's current financial situation, running shows in the Hammerstein Ballroom is not a sound move. Granted TNA actually has a strong demographic in the Northeast, will it be strong enough to shore up the ship? Even ECW couldn't make big money running there and they are the ones who made it cool. The suits at SPIKE aren't going to suddenly decide to renew Impact because of a couple of Hammerstein shows. TNA's best bet is sending their best corporate talk employee to woo them with charts and promises. SPIKE is too busy planning the latest way to market Bellator than to care about TNA's attempt for attention.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 19, 2014 19:49:25 GMT -5
The problem of running shows in NYC is the high cost of renting buildings in that market. There is a reason why major indies don't run show regularly in that market. Because you have to bring in a full house and sell a ton of merch in order to break even. Considering TNA's current financial situation, running shows in the Hammerstein Ballroom is not a sound move. Granted TNA actually has a strong demographic in the Northeast, will it be strong enough to shore up the ship? Even ECW couldn't make big money running there and they are the ones who made it cool. The suits at SPIKE aren't going to suddenly decide to renew Impact because of a couple of Hammerstein shows. TNA's best bet is sending their best corporate talk employee to woo them with charts and promises. SPIKE is too busy planning the latest way to market Bellator than to care about TNA's attempt for attention. There is a case to be made about the high rent, but I doubt they are trying to impress Spike by doing this. I think they are just trying to expirement in a market where wrestling draws well.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 19, 2014 19:54:47 GMT -5
The problem of running shows in NYC is the high cost of renting buildings in that market. There is a reason why major indies don't run show regularly in that market. Because you have to bring in a full house and sell a ton of merch in order to break even. Considering TNA's current financial situation, running shows in the Hammerstein Ballroom is not a sound move. Granted TNA actually has a strong demographic in the Northeast, will it be strong enough to shore up the ship? Even ECW couldn't make big money running there and they are the ones who made it cool. The suits at SPIKE aren't going to suddenly decide to renew Impact because of a couple of Hammerstein shows. TNA's best bet is sending their best corporate talk employee to woo them with charts and promises. SPIKE is too busy planning the latest way to market Bellator than to care about TNA's attempt for attention. There is a case to be made about the high rent, but I doubt they are trying to impress Spike by doing this. I think they are just trying to expirement in a market where wrestling draws well. Like I said, SPIKE cares more about Bellator than being impressed by TNA booking the Hammerstein Ballroom. When you're in a tight financial situation like TNA, last thing they should be doing is taking big risks. TNA would do better telling SPIKE about plans of using Bellator fighters in angles and sending a wrestler to fight in a MMA match.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 19, 2014 20:08:03 GMT -5
There is a case to be made about the high rent, but I doubt they are trying to impress Spike by doing this. I think they are just trying to expirement in a market where wrestling draws well. Like I said, SPIKE cares more about Bellator than being impressed by TNA booking the Hammerstein Ballroom. When you're in a tight financial situation like TNA, last thing they should be doing is taking big risks. TNA would do better telling SPIKE about plans of using Bellator fighters in angles and sending a wrestler to fight in a MMA match. That I disagree with. Unless Viacom picks up WWE, I think TNA's place on Spine is pretty secure. They definitely found use the cross promotion with Bellator, to cash in on the popularity of MMA and raise audience awareness-but they can do tgat without having wrestlers get injured doing MMA, and vice versa. They should be trying to get commercials for Impact and they're house shows on Bellstor, and vice versa. They could try having wrestlers appear as guest announcers for Bellator, and maybe a Bellator fighter shows up every now and then for a guest shot on Impact. But I don't think they need to shoot for much beyond that.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 19, 2014 20:16:22 GMT -5
Like I said, SPIKE cares more about Bellator than being impressed by TNA booking the Hammerstein Ballroom. When you're in a tight financial situation like TNA, last thing they should be doing is taking big risks. TNA would do better telling SPIKE about plans of using Bellator fighters in angles and sending a wrestler to fight in a MMA match. That I disagree with. Unless Viacom picks up WWE, I think TNA's place on Spine is pretty secure. They definitely found use the cross promotion with Bellator, to cash in on the popularity of MMA and raise audience awareness-but they can do tgat without having wrestlers get injured doing MMA, and vice versa. They should be trying to get commercials for Impact and they're house shows on Bellstor, and vice versa. They could try having wrestlers appear as guest announcers for Bellator, and maybe a Bellator fighter shows up every now and then for a guest shot on Impact. But I don't think they need to shoot for much beyond that. COPS is pulling higher ratings than Impact and cost Spike even less money to air. Viacom has cancelled shows that have an audience just because. TNA isn't safe because they are one of the top rated shows on SPIKE. All it takes is someone in Viacom's front office deciding to move the network in a new direction and adios Impact. SPIKE cares so much about the success of Bellator because of the money they see UFC is making and the fact they own the company. Now if SPIKE owned a portion of TNA, they would care more. But they don't and it's expandable. When TNA does cross promotion with Bellator, Bellator is getting the lion's share of it.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Mar 19, 2014 20:21:08 GMT -5
That I disagree with. Unless Viacom picks up WWE, I think TNA's place on Spine is pretty secure. They definitely found use the cross promotion with Bellator, to cash in on the popularity of MMA and raise audience awareness-but they can do tgat without having wrestlers get injured doing MMA, and vice versa. They should be trying to get commercials for Impact and they're house shows on Bellstor, and vice versa. They could try having wrestlers appear as guest announcers for Bellator, and maybe a Bellator fighter shows up every now and then for a guest shot on Impact. But I don't think they need to shoot for much beyond that. COPS is pulling higher ratings than Impact and cost Spike even less money to air. Viacom has cancelled shows that have an audience just because. TNA isn't safe because they are one of the top rated shows on SPIKE. All it takes is someone in Viacom's front office deciding to move the network in a new direction and adios Impact. SPIKE cares so much about the success of Bellator because of the money they see UFC is making and the fact they own the company. Now if SPIKE owned a portion of TNA, they would care more. But they don't and it's expandable. When TNA does cross promotion with Bellator, Bellator is getting the lion's share of it. Bellator was actually one of the reasons that the New MEM got nixed so early they pulled Ortiz and Jackson from TNA, they even let TNA use King MO and have done nothing except a random one off appearance. If Spike doesn't feel that TNA is doing good it can go, lately Spike has become more and more focused on reality shows because they actually do cost a lot less to produce
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 19, 2014 20:27:55 GMT -5
That I disagree with. Unless Viacom picks up WWE, I think TNA's place on Spine is pretty secure. They definitely found use the cross promotion with Bellator, to cash in on the popularity of MMA and raise audience awareness-but they can do tgat without having wrestlers get injured doing MMA, and vice versa. They should be trying to get commercials for Impact and they're house shows on Bellstor, and vice versa. They could try having wrestlers appear as guest announcers for Bellator, and maybe a Bellator fighter shows up every now and then for a guest shot on Impact. But I don't think they need to shoot for much beyond that. COPS is pulling higher ratings than Impact and cost Spike even less money to air. Viacom has cancelled shows that have an audience just because. TNA isn't safe because they are one of the top rated shows on SPIKE. All it takes is someone in Viacom's front office deciding to move the network in a new direction and adios Impact. SPIKE cares so much about the success of Bellator because of the money they see UFC is making and the fact they own the company. Now if SPIKE owned a portion of TNA, they would care more. But they don't and it's expandable. When TNA does cross promotion with Bellator, Bellator is getting the lion's share of it. Yeah, if TNA's spot with Spike was even close to safe, Viacom wouldn't be looking at/bidding on WWE, nor would they let TNA's deal with them get down to its final months without talking to them. Even if Spike and TNA come to a new deal, Spike has just shown that TNA is expendable and nowhere near as valued as their other programming.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 19, 2014 20:33:42 GMT -5
COPS is pulling higher ratings than Impact and cost Spike even less money to air. Viacom has cancelled shows that have an audience just because. TNA isn't safe because they are one of the top rated shows on SPIKE. All it takes is someone in Viacom's front office deciding to move the network in a new direction and adios Impact. SPIKE cares so much about the success of Bellator because of the money they see UFC is making and the fact they own the company. Now if SPIKE owned a portion of TNA, they would care more. But they don't and it's expandable. When TNA does cross promotion with Bellator, Bellator is getting the lion's share of it. Bellator was actually one of the reasons that the New MEM got nixed so early they pulled Ortiz and Jackson from TNA, they even let TNA use King MO and have done nothing except a random one off appearance. If Spike doesn't feel that TNA is doing good it can go, lately Spike has become more and more focused on reality shows because they actually do cost a lot less to produce That's what a lot of cable tv networks' marketing strategy is nowadays. Reality shows are cheaper to produce and there is a demand for it. VH1 is mostly black reality shows. The History and Discovery Channels air shows about rednecks around the USA and world. MTV gave up on airing music videos. All it takes is SPIKE deciding to become a network exclusive to hispanic reality shows and bye bye current block of shows including Impact.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Mar 19, 2014 20:35:25 GMT -5
Bellator was actually one of the reasons that the New MEM got nixed so early they pulled Ortiz and Jackson from TNA, they even let TNA use King MO and have done nothing except a random one off appearance. If Spike doesn't feel that TNA is doing good it can go, lately Spike has become more and more focused on reality shows because they actually do cost a lot less to produce That's what a lot of cable tv networks' marketing strategy is nowadays. Reality shows are cheaper to produce and there is a demand for it. VH1 is mostly black reality shows. The History and Discovery Channels air shows about rednecks around the USA and world. MTV gave up on airing music videos. All it takes is SPIKE deciding to become a network exclusive to hispanic reality shows and bye bye current block of shows including Impact. Spike has become the repair things and horrible ink and crime network, they have Bar Rescue, like two or three tattoo shows, a construction reality show, and Cops on the weekend
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 19, 2014 20:37:19 GMT -5
COPS is pulling higher ratings than Impact and cost Spike even less money to air. Viacom has cancelled shows that have an audience just because. TNA isn't safe because they are one of the top rated shows on SPIKE. All it takes is someone in Viacom's front office deciding to move the network in a new direction and adios Impact. SPIKE cares so much about the success of Bellator because of the money they see UFC is making and the fact they own the company. Now if SPIKE owned a portion of TNA, they would care more. But they don't and it's expandable. When TNA does cross promotion with Bellator, Bellator is getting the lion's share of it. Yeah, if TNA's spot with Spike was even close to safe, Viacom wouldn't be looking at/bidding on WWE, nor would they let TNA's deal with them get down to its final months without talking to them. Even if Spike and TNA come to a new deal, Spike has just shown that TNA is expendable and nowhere near as valued as their other programming. Basically SPIKE is going to do to TNA what they are doing with wrestlers' contracts. Either take the offer we give you or exit stage right.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 19, 2014 22:08:13 GMT -5
Yeah, if TNA's spot with Spike was even close to safe, Viacom wouldn't be looking at/bidding on WWE, nor would they let TNA's deal with them get down to its final months without talking to them. Even if Spike and TNA come to a new deal, Spike has just shown that TNA is expendable and nowhere near as valued as their other programming. Basically SPIKE is going to do to TNA what they are doing with wrestlers' contracts. Either take the offer we give you or exit stage right. For the kind of ratings TNA draws right now, that is justified. The reason Viacom is trying to court WWE is because WWE is a major brand name with enormous profitability. TNA, by comparison, is a steady ratings draw and a way to sell some ad space. But I also don't think TNA is quite in the major risk that a lot of people think it is. They're position would obviously be more secure if they were drawing in even higher ratings than the currently do, but I don't think they are exactly on death's door the way a lot of people are hyped up about. Yeah, the company has taken a lot of rough knocks with the many setbacks of the Hogan era and the fallout from the loss of longtime stars-but as long as Spike is not desperate to unload TNA and as long as the Carter family is willing to keep bankrolling it, TNA will continue to chug along. And again, I don't think the Hammerstein Ballroom taping is meant to impress Spike, I think it is meant to try to help TNA draw in a market where there is pre-existing demand for wrestling. There is an argument to be made that they should have gotten they're feet wet with Boston or Philly before leaping headlong into NYC-but whether the gamble pays off or not is yet to be seen.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 19, 2014 22:43:47 GMT -5
Basically SPIKE is going to do to TNA what they are doing with wrestlers' contracts. Either take the offer we give you or exit stage right. For the kind of ratings TNA draws right now, that is justified. The reason Viacom is trying to court WWE is because WWE is a major brand name with enormous profitability. TNA, by comparison, is a steady ratings draw and a way to sell some ad space. But I also don't think TNA is quite in the major risk that a lot of people think it is. They're position would obviously be more secure if they were drawing in even higher ratings than the currently do, but I don't think they are exactly on death's door the way a lot of people are hyped up about. Yeah, the company has taken a lot of rough knocks with the many setbacks of the Hogan era and the fallout from the loss of longtime stars-but as long as Spike is not desperate to unload TNA and as long as the Carter family is willing to keep bankrolling it, TNA will continue to chug along. And again, I don't think the Hammerstein Ballroom taping is meant to impress Spike, I think it is meant to try to help TNA draw in a market where there is pre-existing demand for wrestling. There is an argument to be made that they should have gotten they're feet wet with Boston or Philly before leaping headlong into NYC-but whether the gamble pays off or not is yet to be seen. Cable networks aren't content with steady ratings nowadays. They want to be in the upper echelon. Viacom is bidding on WWE programming because they not only see the value of WWE programming to their networks but see the potential to elevate other shows to a larger demographic. Without a network to air the show, TNA is up shit creek and floating without a paddle. TNA should be wooing other cable networks instead of waiting on SPIKE to make a move. Even though I despise Eric Bischoff, the man knows how to sell shows to networks. Networks aren't loyal to any show once its usefulness wears out. It's the reason why CW and MyNetwork dropped Smackdown. Impact isn't immune from that happening to them. Doesn't matter how much money Panda Energy puts into TNA (And even they are cutting back on the cash they are giving), a tv contract is their lifeblood. TNA haven't set up a system to make money if that is cut off. If TNA was going into a new market (Which is hard to call NYC area a new market when they done a ton of shows in the area in the past), pick a smaller and affordable location to do it at. TNA in the past have done shows at the ECW Arena. Still cheaper than a building in NYC.
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Post by Viking Snad on Mar 19, 2014 22:57:12 GMT -5
Not to break subject here, but if these shows do anything less than sell out, it's going to look terrible on TNA. ROH's show on May 17th in the same venue has sold out. Granted, there's going to be a bunch of New Japan stars, but TNA has a TV show on a cable channel. New Japan, as far as I know, has no TV in the US outside Youtube and other internet/DVD means. ROH has a syndicated program on Fox?
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Post by 4TheGlory on Mar 19, 2014 23:01:16 GMT -5
Getting 2,500+ plus fans on 3 separate nights is going to be very difficult.
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Post by Steveweiser on Mar 20, 2014 13:57:54 GMT -5
TNA-HAMMERSTEIN BALLROOM IMPACT TAPING UPDATE by Mike Johnson @ 2:47 PM on 3/20/2014 As I discussed in my PWInsider Elite audio several days ago, there is something to the report originally broken at www.ProWrestling.net by Jason Powell that TNA is looking into taping Impact Wrestling at the Hammerstein Ballroom. Sources at the venue confirm that TNA has had discussions with them about running the NYC venue this summer and that TNA staffers had a site survey several months back to look at the facility. TNA ran a house show there several years ago. As I mentioned last month, TNA was looking at several venues in the Northeast to tape at this summer as they cannot secure regular dates at Universal Studios Orlando due to other productions having holds on the soundstages for their own use. I was also told that the company has been looking into different casinos they could potentially partner with for tapings this summer. No official dates with the Hammerstein are on the books yet, according to a source with the venue.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 20, 2014 14:49:50 GMT -5
Do have to agree that I'm a bit surprised they're not looking at the Manhattan Center ballroom. It's where Raw was originally taped from, ROH has used it a lot, it's smaller but definitely still a pretty intense atmosphere.
Could simply be unavailable those days, I don't know, but I just figure it'd make more sense.
One of my favorite memories of the Manhattan Center: they advertise on their website about ROH being there for a show, and do so by using a stock photo of Demolition.
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Post by Sephiroth on Mar 20, 2014 16:34:40 GMT -5
Do have to agree that I'm a bit surprised they're not looking at the Manhattan Center ballroom. It's where Raw was originally taped from, ROH has used it a lot, it's smaller but definitely still a pretty intense atmosphere. Could simply be unavailable those days, I don't know, but I just figure it'd make more sense. One of my favorite memories of the Manhattan Center: they advertise on their website about ROH being there for a show, and do so by using a stock photo of Demolition. Not to repeat myself, but have they ever tried talking to Universal about using a studio in the park in California?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 20, 2014 16:41:57 GMT -5
Do have to agree that I'm a bit surprised they're not looking at the Manhattan Center ballroom. It's where Raw was originally taped from, ROH has used it a lot, it's smaller but definitely still a pretty intense atmosphere. Could simply be unavailable those days, I don't know, but I just figure it'd make more sense. One of my favorite memories of the Manhattan Center: they advertise on their website about ROH being there for a show, and do so by using a stock photo of Demolition. Not to repeat myself, but have they ever tried talking to Universal about using a studio in the park in California? I'd imagine the expense is too high. They'd have to ship all their equipment across country, as well as fly the talent, production and staff and staff across country as well for a show they'd make nothing on. At least PPVs they can charge and there is potential for profit (though probably not realized I'll give ya) that there isn't in holding shows at Universal.
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