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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Sept 1, 2015 14:41:36 GMT -5
So shall we decide what's going to be the name of the third promotion Jarrett starts up then? Puro-Lucha Extreme Action Sports Extravaganza!
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Post by domrep on Sept 1, 2015 14:48:42 GMT -5
Maybe Jeff should cut his losses and just do New Japan part time and count his money.
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Post by Andy Martin on Sept 1, 2015 15:31:12 GMT -5
Anybody wanna set the over/under on how long this lasts?
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Sept 1, 2015 17:59:50 GMT -5
So shall we decide what's going to be the name of the third promotion Jarrett starts up then? Sports Entertainment X-treme
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 1, 2015 19:48:52 GMT -5
The problems with GFW are numerous. First they are taping shows with no tv deal or any other form of distribution. Then while the minor league ballpark house shows are already prepaid for, the sparse set up makes decent numbers look bad. Add in that the lineups aren't stellar. Bullet Club works with smarks not regular fans who don't know who they are. Then you have GFW feuding with TNA. A startup company without any identity and history vs a dying company with massive stank of failure. Makes for riveting tv don't it? GFW's mission supposedly is to make pro wrestling like how it used to be. What it really is being TNA 2.0 with Jeff Jarrett in charge.
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Post by Sparvid on Sept 1, 2015 20:11:50 GMT -5
So, have the partnerships with all those other companies around the world resulted in anything that they couldn't have done without them?
Okay, they "presented" Wrestle Kingdom 9, but since they didn't have a product of their own, that can't have helped much. Have they used any wrestlers who wouldn't have been allowed to appear unless GFW made a deal with their regular company first?
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 1, 2015 20:22:50 GMT -5
A note from this weeks Wrestling Observer, whereas the first tv taping drew around 3000 with mostly free tickets, the second drew around 1000 (again with mostly free tickets) Yeah, not terribly surprising. I'm guessing GFW isn't particularly long for the world, at least not in any incarnation where anyone knows or cares about them. GFW is doing well for itself. Their business model of sold shows guarantees that they won't lose money, but I think Jarrett should give up on the idea of GFW being "the next big thing". One of the few things that TNA did right was that they started small and grew over time, even if they eventually got too big for their britches and imploded on themselves. GFW needs to stop wasting time trying to shop for a TV deal that might never come, put the stuff they've already taped on the web, be the best promotion they can be, and hope that a TV deal will come down the line.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 20:26:26 GMT -5
Yeah, not terribly surprising. I'm guessing GFW isn't particularly long for the world, at least not in any incarnation where anyone knows or cares about them. GFW is doing well for itself. Their business model of sold shows guarantees that they won't lose money, but I think Jarrett should give up on the idea of GFW being "the next big thing". One of the few things that TNA did right was that they started small and grew over time, even if they eventually got too big for their britches and imploded on themselves. GFW needs to stop wasting time trying to shop for a TV deal that might never come, put the stuff they've already taped on the web, be the best promotion they can be, and hope that a TV deal will come down the line. Yeah, the working toward TV thing is the big issue they're facing given there's no sign of them getting a TV deal any time soon and it's a very inefficient model. They seem reasonably stable as a semi-high-profile indy, should strip things back and focus more on that than anything. Though still, if nobody's paying to go to these shows then the market's going to dry up, especially if they're already seeing a big drop off in who's even willing to come to them for free. Plus they really need to get some people actually under contract. As it stands they're more just kind of a best-of thing of the indies than they are any sort of unique or identifiable product in their own right.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Sept 1, 2015 20:36:50 GMT -5
There's also a slight issue in that their TV tapings have other promotions' title belts featured, including the TNA King of the Mountain title.
They wait long enough in getting this content out, KUSHIDA and/or The Bullet Club could be carrying titles they may no longer have. And then there's the KotM title, where they actually spoiled Impact to anyone who came to the show, as the guy who came to the ring with the belt hasn't won it on TV yet.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Sept 1, 2015 20:40:59 GMT -5
Yeah, not terribly surprising. I'm guessing GFW isn't particularly long for the world, at least not in any incarnation where anyone knows or cares about them. GFW is doing well for itself. Their business model of sold shows guarantees that they won't lose money... they are not doing well. the "sold shows" model was based around the hype of the promotion, and the product hasn't lived up to that hype. what do you think will happen when their deal with the minor league teams and the Orleans hotel runs their course? the tv taping saw a 65% drop in attendance from the first taping to the second, and the baseball shows aren't drawing dick (two shows this past weekend, each reportedly drawing around 250). when their deals are done and they decide its not worth it to do again, and there are no money marks to be found, how long do you think GFW last?
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Post by crabbymelt on Sept 1, 2015 21:00:05 GMT -5
I think that Jeff should put all the episodes on Youtube and social media the f%$# out of it. It can be billed as the wrestling show everyone can watch for free. Also, I would not worry about getting "stars". Everyone who's someone is signed and busy, or not signed because of a reason (they suck, bad attitude, etc.). Instead of going the TNA route and digging scraps out of WWE's trash, Jeff should make a concerted effort to push the company's home grown stars. I understand the need for star power, but if the star won't rub, then they're useless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 22:20:16 GMT -5
I think that Jeff should put all the episodes on Youtube and social media the f%$# out of it. It can be billed as the wrestling show everyone can watch for free. Also, I would not worry about getting "stars". Everyone who's someone is signed and busy, or not signed because of a reason (they suck, bad attitude, etc.). Instead of going the TNA route and digging scraps out of WWE's trash, Jeff should make a concerted effort to push the company's home grown stars. I understand the need for star power, but if the star won't rub, then they're useless. The problem with that is that there's no real money in youtube unless you get a ridiculous amount of views. That idea only works if the company has zero production values and you can pay the talent next to nothing. Jarrett would make more money and save himself a lot of stress by just wrestling the indie circuit instead of doing that. I think Jarrett's playing this the right way. All the GFW shows so far have been paid shows. He's not losing money on this even if literally nobody goes to these shows. But if a tv network likes what they see, then GFW has a high upside for Jeff. There's minimal upside to a youtube only promotion. You're basically just one of the thousands of indies out there at that point.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Sept 1, 2015 22:22:00 GMT -5
We should give them a slot here on the FAN Network. They can be on between Wrestletaint Today and the Cornfed Mysteries.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2015 23:34:37 GMT -5
We should give them a slot here on the FAN Network. They can be on between Wrestletaint Today and the Cornfed Mysteries. I don't know we would have to move the super sweet side butt hour and that's getting very good ratings.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 2, 2015 1:20:49 GMT -5
I think that Jeff should put all the episodes on Youtube and social media the f%$# out of it. It can be billed as the wrestling show everyone can watch for free. Also, I would not worry about getting "stars". Everyone who's someone is signed and busy, or not signed because of a reason (they suck, bad attitude, etc.). Instead of going the TNA route and digging scraps out of WWE's trash, Jeff should make a concerted effort to push the company's home grown stars. I understand the need for star power, but if the star won't rub, then they're useless. I think the guys they do have will suffice. Take away the New Japan guys and he still has Chris Masters, Sonjay Dutt, "Darewolf", Trevor Lee and Brian Myers. And when TNA folds, most of those guys will likely end up working for GFW anyway.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 2, 2015 4:39:44 GMT -5
Yeah, not terribly surprising. I'm guessing GFW isn't particularly long for the world, at least not in any incarnation where anyone knows or cares about them. GFW is doing well for itself. Their business model of sold shows guarantees that they won't lose money, but I think Jarrett should give up on the idea of GFW being "the next big thing". One of the few things that TNA did right was that they started small and grew over time, even if they eventually got too big for their britches and imploded on themselves. GFW needs to stop wasting time trying to shop for a TV deal that might never come, put the stuff they've already taped on the web, be the best promotion they can be, and hope that a TV deal will come down the line. GFW needs cash influx since the house shows aren't bringing in big money and official merchandise is trash unless you want pics of Karen Jarrett. They need money and hope some type of distribution deal will give enough to make it easier to run. Double J started GFW to be more than an indy. They don't have the money and game plan to be even a decent indy.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 2, 2015 8:21:35 GMT -5
GFW is doing well for itself. Their business model of sold shows guarantees that they won't lose money, but I think Jarrett should give up on the idea of GFW being "the next big thing". One of the few things that TNA did right was that they started small and grew over time, even if they eventually got too big for their britches and imploded on themselves. GFW needs to stop wasting time trying to shop for a TV deal that might never come, put the stuff they've already taped on the web, be the best promotion they can be, and hope that a TV deal will come down the line. GFW needs cash influx since the house shows aren't bringing in big money and official merchandise is trash unless you want pics of Karen Jarrett. They need money and hope some type of distribution deal will give enough to make it easier to run. Double J started GFW to be more than an indy. They don't have the money and game plan to be even a decent indy. Indies don't go seeking TV deals. Jarrett is doing that even if he hasn't really made progress on it. The issues are that he doesn't have a legit draw or a talent that says legit Main eventer. The Bullet Club is the closest they have and even they are not being used to the full potential. Yes the shows didn't draw and why wouldn't they when ONE there was not one card posted for any of them until the TV tappings. Second the those shows did not make a great first impression. The Main Event was the Bullet Clubs verse. The New Heavenly Bodies who are two nobodies. We all know that the New any former tag team never works. So why would they and even more so when that team was not that memorable. On top of that linking yourself to a company like TNA who been thrown off two networks in a year span again doesn't do yourself any favors. The start saw potential when they did the American broadcast of NJPW and it was a great show. But when you shows don't even come remotely close to that on your own, there is a problem. More so when MOST of the talent we saw on that PPV ain't even on your shows. You promise everyone all the best of the best from all over but the only names anybody even knows about are EX WWE guys and that even the ones who follow wrestling all over the world barely knows any of the other talent. There is no major star from Mexico, Japan, or the UK in that tournament.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 2, 2015 8:34:49 GMT -5
GFW needs cash influx since the house shows aren't bringing in big money and official merchandise is trash unless you want pics of Karen Jarrett. They need money and hope some type of distribution deal will give enough to make it easier to run. Double J started GFW to be more than an indy. They don't have the money and game plan to be even a decent indy. Indies don't go seeking TV deals. Jarrett is doing that even if he hasn't really made progress on it. The issues are that he doesn't have a legit draw or a talent that says legit Main eventer. The Bullet Club is the closest they have and even they are not being used to the full potential. Yes the shows didn't draw and why wouldn't they when ONE there was not one card posted for any of them until the TV tappings. Second the those shows did not make a great first impression. The Main Event was the Bullet Clubs verse. The New Heavenly Bodies who are two nobodies. We all know that the New any former tag team never works. So why would they and even more so when that team was not that memorable. On top of that linking yourself to a company like TNA who been thrown off two networks in a year span again doesn't do yourself any favors. The start saw potential when they did the American broadcast of NJPW and it was a great show. But when you shows don't even come remotely close to that on your own, there is a problem. More so when MOST of the talent we saw on that PPV ain't even on your shows. You promise everyone all the best of the best from all over but the only names anybody even knows about are EX WWE guys and that even the ones who follow wrestling all over the world barely knows any of the other talent. There is no major star from Mexico, Japan, or the UK in that tournament. There are indies who seek tv deals no matter how bad the time slot, importance of the network, or if they got to pay for the show's time slot out for their own pockets (Paragon Pro Wrestling, Pro Wrestling Syndicate). GFW spent all of this time hyping up all these different companies they are working with. All the different wrestlers who will work with them. And when it came to time to do shows, it's a line up that is underwhelming. Outside of a few names, it's mostly TNA alumni and not even the standout ones. I have no problem with using lesser known talent. I do have one with using current TNA guys to advance a feud that not even TNA diehards care about.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 2, 2015 9:31:07 GMT -5
It's all the mistakes Jarrett made when setting up TNA all over again, it baffles me to this day that people thought there would be some other outcome to this. He built a promotion that tried to sprint before it could crawl, a promotion making grand promises with no idea how to fund them.
'If you build it, they will come' doesn't work in wrestling, you need to do a lot of hard work to establish a promotion, you can't just promise big names and expect people will just turn up. GFW is just TNA2, a promotion without a base, it's all well and good talking with people in Japan, the people he needed to consult were guys like Gabe Sapolsky, Lou E. Dangerously and Tommy Dreamer, people who have actually been there and founded a promotion the right way.
"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
Not an Albert Einstein quote, but those words should be engraved on GFW's tombstone.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Sept 3, 2015 13:32:20 GMT -5
according to PWInsider, GFW may soon be coming to television...in England
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