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Post by gatordone on Sept 4, 2015 22:03:46 GMT -5
I can't believe it's reached more pages on this thread than fans at events.
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Sept 5, 2015 17:55:08 GMT -5
going back to the "out of date" stuff for a second, this was from the results of their July 9 show: - GFW Legend "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan came out and cut a pro-USA promo, but was interrupted by Arya Daivari, who is of Middle Eastern decent so you know he's against 'Merica. Duggan then laid out Daivari (USA! USA! USA!). its stuff like this that let you know GFW really is the future of wrestling. why should fans settle for promotions giving them the same tired and rehashed cliched storylines when the Force is giving us something fresh, unique and original like The American vs. The America-Hating Foreigner. on their show last night, "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan came out and cut a pro-USA promo, but was interrupted by Arya Daivari, who is still of Middle Easter decent and still anti-American, and who was once again laid out by Duggan. So is this Daivari, or his daughter from Winterfell?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Sept 5, 2015 21:18:39 GMT -5
going back to the "out of date" stuff for a second, this was from the results of their July 9 show: on their show last night, "Hacksaw" Jim Duggan came out and cut a pro-USA promo, but was interrupted by Arya Daivari, who is still of Middle Easter decent and still anti-American, and who was once again laid out by Duggan. So is this Daivari, or his daughter from Winterfell? It is Shawn Daivari's brother.
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Post by James Fabiano on Sept 7, 2015 16:48:15 GMT -5
Oh, Kevin Matthews, going from jobbing on house shows to a guy named Moose to jobbing off TV to a guy I can't even remember. 0.4/10 on the ECW Zombie scale (he jobbed one match for WWE, but it was on TV and a famous/infamous segment at least!)
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Sept 7, 2015 17:10:02 GMT -5
Oh, Kevin Matthews, going from jobbing on house shows to a guy named Moose to jobbing off TV to a guy I can't even remember. 0.4/10 on the ECW Zombie scale (he jobbed one match for WWE, but it was on TV and a famous/infamous segment at least!) You do know that Moose is an RoH talent, not some random dude?
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Post by James Fabiano on Sept 7, 2015 18:20:14 GMT -5
I'm bully bashing don't ruin my fun with facts! :-)
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Sept 8, 2015 16:38:39 GMT -5
As Booker T would say: "Oh mah goodness..."
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Post by ________ has left the building on Sept 8, 2015 16:43:06 GMT -5
As Booker T would say: "Oh mah goodness..." That is just them knowing WWE was going to eat their lunch so GFW made a strategic retreat.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 21:47:33 GMT -5
I hate to beat a dead horse here but man, GFW is off to an underwhelming start. I never expected any huge success out of them anyway and thought giving them as much attention as they were getting was kind of foolhardy but they've still managed to amount to less than I ever expected.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 8, 2015 22:05:19 GMT -5
Being realistic about this company not making it is one thing, but there are people here who are actually rooting against TNA/GWF As a fan, it is better if there are more companies. It creates more job (potentially even for us), able's more wrestlers to be seen, and help make wrestling more popular. The problem is TNA SHOULD been a big deal because from 06 to 09 this company as IMO the best roster of talent I have ever seen one company have, they shouldn't have never not draw money and been succeeded. Even as fans if we can point out mistake after mistake they made and the repeatedly made that is a problem that we can see it and they can't. Dixie Carter HAS zero business in the wrestling business. The clear problem is that it is one thing to have this talent but is another how you showcase it. It is another how you book a show in away to MAKE money. TNA make several clear as day dumb moves that cost them greatly. I had hope in GFW but the problem is THEY are making the SAME mistake TNA is. Jarrett went around saying that they have these working relationship with AAA, NJPW, and all the best companies in each country. Now, they ran several shows and a TV tapping and I ask this, WHREE are these talents from those companies? NOT one major talent from AAA. The only thing from NJPW as been two members of the Bullet Club that are both the Americans. So what I am seeing already is empty promises. What I don't see is anybody on the roster that can be considers a draw or have the things to be that draw. Which it is showing is the news is true that half of the tapping tickets where given away and not brought. The house show like events in the ball park draw less thing most indies shows. Something very wrong with that picture.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Sept 9, 2015 0:39:10 GMT -5
Anyone think if GFW does get a TV deal they'll kill the audience like TNA?
Flair recently conducted a podcast with Stone Cold. Flair told a story about him telling Dixie to do more live events because the audience at Universal wasn't popping except for the big names they knew (Flair, Hogan, and Angle).
My thinking if these people are coming just because the event is in a casino there's not a lot of incentive to pop just like at Universal.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 20:07:00 GMT -5
Anyone think if GFW does get a TV deal they'll kill the audience like TNA? Flair recently conducted a podcast with Stone Cold. Flair told a story about him telling Dixie to do more live events because the audience at Universal wasn't popping except for the big names they knew (Flair, Hogan, and Angle). My thinking if these people are coming just because the event is in a casino there's not a lot of incentive to pop just like at Universal. Going on the road was the single, absolute dumbest thing TNA ever did. Sure, the Orlando crowd was tapped out, but they were at least showing up and the arrangement TNA had was stable. The second they started touring they began to hemorrhage money and it's probably more than anything what's led them to the state they're in now.
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Post by chrom on Sept 9, 2015 20:51:18 GMT -5
Anyone think if GFW does get a TV deal they'll kill the audience like TNA? Flair recently conducted a podcast with Stone Cold. Flair told a story about him telling Dixie to do more live events because the audience at Universal wasn't popping except for the big names they knew (Flair, Hogan, and Angle). My thinking if these people are coming just because the event is in a casino there's not a lot of incentive to pop just like at Universal. Going on the road was the single, absolute dumbest thing TNA ever did. Sure, the Orlando crowd was tapped out, but they were at least showing up and the arrangement TNA had was stable. The second they started touring they began to hemorrhage money and it's probably more than anything what's led them to the state they're in now. The crowds at The Impact Zone were good and vocal for what was happening and into it, it wasn't until the infamous "cast members" speech as well as removing fans from their seats and putting in models to be plants who missed their cues at what they were suppose to do that it became the lifeless husk that it now is. Many who were there you now see at Full Sail Arena after how TNA treated them.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 9, 2015 21:00:49 GMT -5
Anyone think if GFW does get a TV deal they'll kill the audience like TNA? Flair recently conducted a podcast with Stone Cold. Flair told a story about him telling Dixie to do more live events because the audience at Universal wasn't popping except for the big names they knew (Flair, Hogan, and Angle). My thinking if these people are coming just because the event is in a casino there's not a lot of incentive to pop just like at Universal. Going on the road was the single, absolute dumbest thing TNA ever did. Sure, the Orlando crowd was tapped out, but they were at least showing up and the arrangement TNA had was stable. The second they started touring they began to hemorrhage money and it's probably more than anything what's led them to the state they're in now. And that's TNA in a nutshell really, as much as people would like to think all of TNA's problems arose in a vacuum and were the result of her complete lack of experience, many of the bad decisions Dixie made came from the minds of people with decades of experience in wrestling, not just Russo, but guys like Flair, Jarrett, Bischoff, Dusty and so many others who should know better but all (except Dusty) are/were more than eager to point the finger at her and say 'wasn't me, bro, I gave good advice'.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 9, 2015 22:57:35 GMT -5
Anyone think if GFW does get a TV deal they'll kill the audience like TNA? Flair recently conducted a podcast with Stone Cold. Flair told a story about him telling Dixie to do more live events because the audience at Universal wasn't popping except for the big names they knew (Flair, Hogan, and Angle). My thinking if these people are coming just because the event is in a casino there's not a lot of incentive to pop just like at Universal. Going on the road was the single, absolute dumbest thing TNA ever did. Sure, the Orlando crowd was tapped out, but they were at least showing up and the arrangement TNA had was stable. The second they started touring they began to hemorrhage money and it's probably more than anything what's led them to the state they're in now. Going on the road isn't stupid in theory. You want Ticket revenue but what TNA didn't do is promote it. Daniels in a shoot talked about people not even knowing there was a show in town. If they spend more money on advertising and less money on signing your Hogan's and Flair's when they had enough star power as it was. The on the road deal wouldn't have failed. As for talking about the guys who had decades of experience running things. Yes it is true but how many had long term success. Russo only had two years max of real success and Eric less then five years. Flair wasn't a booker in TNA and was there because he wanted money. They brought in ever former WCW and WWE cast off to do the jobs when they need people who know wrestling but are fresh and are in the now in what fans look for. Dusty and Cornette both where stuck in the 80s mind set, at less Dusty got away with that and spend years in the WWE after the tender. TNA best booker was D'more.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2015 23:14:57 GMT -5
Going on the road was the single, absolute dumbest thing TNA ever did. Sure, the Orlando crowd was tapped out, but they were at least showing up and the arrangement TNA had was stable. The second they started touring they began to hemorrhage money and it's probably more than anything what's led them to the state they're in now. Going on the road isn't stupid in theory. You want Ticket revenue but what TNA didn't do is promote it. Daniels in a shoot talked about people not even knowing there was a show in town. If they spend more money on advertising and less money on signing your Hogan's and Flair's when they had enough star power as it was. The on the road deal wouldn't have failed. As for talking about the guys who had decades of experience running things. Yes it is true but how many had long term success. Russo only had two years max of real success and Eric less then five years. Flair wasn't a booker in TNA and was there because he wanted money. They brought in ever former WCW and WWE cast off to do the jobs when they need people who know wrestling but are fresh and are in the now in what fans look for. Dusty and Cornette both where stuck in the 80s mind set, at less Dusty got away with that and spend years in the WWE after the tender. TNA best booker was D'more. It was a fine idea in theory, if TNA had some dedicated crowds they knew they could run at minimal risk, knew they could afford all of the extra costs associated with it, had a back-up plan in place if it didn't work out, and properly advertised their shows, but none of that applies. It was the right idea to do it eventually, but not when they did it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2015 4:13:23 GMT -5
Going on the road isn't stupid in theory. You want Ticket revenue but what TNA didn't do is promote it. Daniels in a shoot talked about people not even knowing there was a show in town. If they spend more money on advertising and less money on signing your Hogan's and Flair's when they had enough star power as it was. The on the road deal wouldn't have failed. As for talking about the guys who had decades of experience running things. Yes it is true but how many had long term success. Russo only had two years max of real success and Eric less then five years. Flair wasn't a booker in TNA and was there because he wanted money. They brought in ever former WCW and WWE cast off to do the jobs when they need people who know wrestling but are fresh and are in the now in what fans look for. Dusty and Cornette both where stuck in the 80s mind set, at less Dusty got away with that and spend years in the WWE after the tender. TNA best booker was D'more. It was a fine idea in theory, if TNA had some dedicated crowds they knew they could run at minimal risk, knew they could afford all of the extra costs associated with it, had a back-up plan in place if it didn't work out, and properly advertised their shows, but none of that applies. It was the right idea to do it eventually, but not when they did it. I don't think the problem was that TNA did house shows too soon, I think the problem was that they wanted to tour pretty much the entire country from the get-go. I think they could have started doing house shows when they first moved to Florida. The roster was younger and cheaper compared to 2010 or so. They could have just stuck to doing shows in Florida since it has a decent amount of big cities and no shortage of major college campuses. They could have ran those places for fairly cheap since most or everyone on the roster lived in Orlando and they could all just drive to the shows instead of TNA flying everyone to various parts of the country. And then from there slowly expand up the east coast and across the gulf coast. But in typical TNA fashion, they tried to run before they could walk.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Sept 10, 2015 9:41:03 GMT -5
It was a fine idea in theory, if TNA had some dedicated crowds they knew they could run at minimal risk, knew they could afford all of the extra costs associated with it, had a back-up plan in place if it didn't work out, and properly advertised their shows, but none of that applies. It was the right idea to do it eventually, but not when they did it. I don't think the problem was that TNA did house shows too soon, I think the problem was that they wanted to tour pretty much the entire country from the get-go. I think they could have started doing house shows when they first moved to Florida. The roster was younger and cheaper compared to 2010 or so. They could have just stuck to doing shows in Florida since it has a decent amount of big cities and no shortage of major college campuses. They could have ran those places for fairly cheap since most or everyone on the roster lived in Orlando and they could all just drive to the shows instead of TNA flying everyone to various parts of the country. And then from there slowly expand up the east coast and across the gulf coast. But in typical TNA fashion, they tried to run before they could walk. How the tour should worked is this. First you do only PPVs. Focused on getting those events selling out and making the show itself a BIG deal. Mistake number one TNA did was kill the PPVs by having things happen on the following Impact. Went into more deal as in examples in the TNA threads several times. Next once your PPVs get going and see you have a fan base. THEN you add in Impacts but only if you know you can financially handle it and still turn profit. Which again falls in selling your PPVs first where those events make money from gate sales,and arena Merchandise on top of PPV buyrates which goes into how you book your shows. TNA killed the buyrates as I said before because of booking.
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Sept 14, 2015 10:51:31 GMT -5
GFW has signed a tv deal with London's Boulder Creek International. according to the press release, BCI is broadcast in over 100 countries. i tried to Google BCI to find a list of said countries, but was unable to find one. I did however find that BCI has both a Linkedin and a Facebook (with 63 likes), so they must be doing something right
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Post by comahan on Sept 14, 2015 11:18:25 GMT -5
To clarify, BCI is a distributor, and has signed deals in more than 100 countries - they arent a channel that is broadcast in 100+ countries
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