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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 16, 2014 13:44:40 GMT -5
So…they place kids with "behavioral problems" in Special Ed classes with kids who are actually in the class because they need to be there? Is that a normal thing? I mean, I went to a "bad school" or so the rest of the county thought…but I don't remember hearing kids in special ed being bullied. Even by kids with "behavioral problems". You're assuming that kids with behavioral problems are just "bad kids" and that's often not the case. Behavioral problems often go hand-in-hand with countless other disabilities--it can often be a byproduct of the frustration of having a learning disability--for example. Behavioral problems are treated as disabilities as well, so it was decided via due process that these kids needed special education as well--possibly for behavior issues, or possibly for other problems that have a comorbidity with behavior issues. Not justifying their behavior, or the school's behavior by any means--but that's the explanation to your question.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 13:53:37 GMT -5
I can understand having to stand by the rules, but they were calling him names and threatening him! Why don't you just put those bullies on the honor roll.
Pisses me off.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Apr 16, 2014 15:26:17 GMT -5
If you are going to punish the kid for those recordings fine.
However for f***s sake punish the goddam bullies as well.
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Post by MiLB Fan on Apr 16, 2014 15:41:28 GMT -5
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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Apr 16, 2014 15:41:58 GMT -5
Disgusting. Teacher, principal, cop, and judge should all be fired.
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Post by BRV on Apr 16, 2014 16:24:32 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that the audio recordings would be inadmissible if this were something that were to be taken to court. Not that it has anything to do with what actually came of it, but if they tried to bring this to the courts and use the audio as evidence, I'm almost positive they wouldn't be able to.
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Post by SeVeN: #TheBadGuy. on Apr 16, 2014 16:57:45 GMT -5
F**kin bullies. I hate f'n bullies. They still wonder why kids kill themselves or go to school and kill the teachers and students , its because of crap like this. Its always the fault of the kid whose being bullied, never the DAMN bully.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2014 19:21:40 GMT -5
There are posts I enter threads really hoping I don't see. One of them is "Why doesn't this kid just stand up to the bullies and punch them out?" Pleasantly surprised to not see that in here.
I think it's hilarious that there's someone defending the charges though.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Apr 16, 2014 20:46:40 GMT -5
The mentally challenged kid is the most clear thinking person in the entire situation Nail on the head. This shit was happening to him, and he tried to get something done about it. It's just a shame the people in his school are scum I see the Florida educational system has finally decided to crack down on bullies. When I was stuck in its cogs the answer was "ignore them and they'll go away." They didn't go away, and you're damn lucky *I* didn't "go away". Thankfully I'm 1,000+ miles from that hole and there have been days - years later - that I think of that place and get angry.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 16, 2014 20:52:07 GMT -5
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Apr 16, 2014 21:04:40 GMT -5
...Especially since it's in Pennsylvania.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 16, 2014 21:07:01 GMT -5
...Especially since it's in Pennsylvania. Yeah, the Florida meme is kind of getting overdone a bit.
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Apr 16, 2014 21:07:27 GMT -5
...Especially since it's in Pennsylvania. it's still in-school bullying, it's still wrong, and I'm still mad
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Apr 16, 2014 21:13:59 GMT -5
...Especially since it's in Pennsylvania. it's still in-school bullying, it's still wrong, and I'm still mad Not disagreeing....but it's literally MANY states away........
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Post by Cyno on Apr 17, 2014 0:17:35 GMT -5
I think our expectations of Florida are so pathetically low that it's surprising when this sort of thing happens in other states.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 1:34:43 GMT -5
This sounds exactly like how bullying was handled when I was in school and on the receiving end. Speaking as a teacher, that moron who was turning a blind eye to the bullying is an utter disgrace and should be removed from her post immediately. Any teacher or principal who turns a blind eye to bullying should immediately be fired actually. ...and the teacher in this story sounds like, with the exception of one, every teacher I ever had. The shocking thing to me is that there are teachers who *aren't* like this one. As a teacher, would you say it's common for an elementary school teacher to leave the classroom completely unsupervised for 10-15 minutes at a time? This was a common occurrence in my classes in the early '90s, and that's when I got it worst.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Apr 17, 2014 1:42:42 GMT -5
Everyone from the bullies to the judge who found the child guilty should be charged with crimes of their own.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Apr 17, 2014 2:01:46 GMT -5
...and the teacher in this story sounds like, with the exception of one, every teacher I ever had. The shocking thing to me is that there are teachers who *aren't* like this one. As a teacher, would you say it's common for an elementary school teacher to leave the classroom completely unsupervised for 10-15 minutes at a time? This was a common occurrence in my classes in the early '90s, and that's when I got it worst. Unfortunately, this is true. There wasn't much bullying at my school (the school I attended as a kid, not the one I'm at now), but there was one girl who used to get bullied a lot because of her weight by a group of maybe 5 or 6 other girls. The case actually made the paper because I think it was the first example of "cyber bullying". Even after that, the school suspended the girls for maybe a week and then, that was it. Absolutely nothing else was done and it took the story making national newspapers for the school to even do that. Even though all the kids knew the girl was getting bullied. Now if the kids knew, surely the teachers would know too. And nope, I try not to leave my class unsupervised even for a minute. If I need something fetching (like books or a worksheet photocopying), I send the class leader to go and do it for me. Leaving the class unsupervised is idiotic. It's shocking that some teachers think that's a good idea and that nothing will go wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 7:58:48 GMT -5
...and the teacher in this story sounds like, with the exception of one, every teacher I ever had. The shocking thing to me is that there are teachers who *aren't* like this one. As a teacher, would you say it's common for an elementary school teacher to leave the classroom completely unsupervised for 10-15 minutes at a time? This was a common occurrence in my classes in the early '90s, and that's when I got it worst. Unfortunately, this is true. There wasn't much bullying at my school (the school I attended as a kid, not the one I'm at now), but there was one girl who used to get bullied a lot because of her weight by a group of maybe 5 or 6 other girls. The case actually made the paper because I think it was the first example of "cyber bullying". Even after that, the school suspended the girls for maybe a week and then, that was it. Absolutely nothing else was done and it took the story making national newspapers for the school to even do that. Even though all the kids knew the girl was getting bullied. Now if the kids knew, surely the teachers would know too. And nope, I try not to leave my class unsupervised even for a minute. If I need something fetching (like books or a worksheet photocopying), I send the class leader to go and do it for me. Leaving the class unsupervised is idiotic. It's shocking that some teachers think that's a good idea and that nothing will go wrong. The worst part of those classes being left unsupervised was that I was always in the lower grade of split classes. After I was old enough to realize it, It just completely blew my mind that people either didn't realize or didn't care that putting the more advanced kids of a lower grade in the same class as the slower learners of a higher grade was creating a perfect storm scenario for bullying. On my very first day of school ever, I was in a kindergarten/first grade split class, and when the teacher left the room, the mean kid in the class brought me to the front of the room and pulled my pants down. It was ages before other kids also stopped trying to pull them down because they thought that was funny, and I can remember being in gym class with several other kids hanging from my shorts as I tried to get away while not a word was said to stop them. Now that's something that can mess a kid up for a good, long while.
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Post by Sparvid on Apr 17, 2014 9:37:47 GMT -5
Reminds me of a case a couple of months ago in Sweden. The father to a student got so tired at how the school did nothing about the sound level and how many in her class were playing around with cell phones and computers. He asked her to record the usual background noice in one class, and uploaded the audio on YouTube along with his comments giving context, asking how kids were supposed to learn anything in that kind of environment, and if that would in any way be accepted at any other workplace.
And the school reacted quickly by... getting the video pulled, and trying to charge him for uploading it in the first place. Although it only took a week or so before the prosecutor pointed out that no law had been broken.
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