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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 17, 2014 13:03:07 GMT -5
Pretty sure this movie burnt me out on everything Spider-Man. I keep trying to get together the energy to hit play on Amazing Spider-Man as I hear good things but I can't bring myself to do it. Ya should, it's great |
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Post by The Tank on Apr 17, 2014 13:37:03 GMT -5
Pretty sure this movie burnt me out on everything Spider-Man. I keep trying to get together the energy to hit play on Amazing Spider-Man as I hear good things but I can't bring myself to do it. Amazing Spider-Man will completely wash that feeling away. Trust me, I felt the same way after the abomination of a movie that is Spider-Man 3. |
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Post by DSR on Apr 17, 2014 13:51:44 GMT -5
Spider-Man 4: Frustrated, Harry becomes the new Green Goblin and goes after Spidey himself. Meanwhile, the symbiote gives Peter an unpleasant attitude (preferably without the dancing), he costs Eddie Brock his job (hopefully Brock doesn't actually deserve to lose his job for photoshopping pictures and making up stuff in this version of things) and when Spider-Man goes too far beating the hell out of a burglar or somebody, he ditches the symbiote in the church bell tower. Spidey beats Harry, and the end credits stinger is the symbiote finding Brock in the church. In the original story though something like this did happen to get him fired... not photoshop since he was a reporter but he didn't check his source and got burned when Spider-man caught the real sin-eater. That's still different from blatantly making something up, though. Spider-Man 3 tries to play this "Brock kinda deserves sympathy/Peter's being a huge dick" thing, but they made it so Brock totally deserved to be fired. I never read the original story, but it sounds like Eddie was just overeager to get the story, which is more relatable than fabricating one. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 13:58:12 GMT -5
My favorite part was that 'evil' Peter Parker was indicated to be evil by requesting more cookies from his neighbor.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 17, 2014 14:01:35 GMT -5
What's weird is the Eddie Brock/Sin Eater thing never actually played out on the page in 'real time'. It was only ever in flashbacks for Micheline to provide a motivation for Brock to hate Spider-man.
Hell, Eddie wasn't even a character during the Sin Eater stuff, and was only created once the original idea of Venom's host fell through.
Originally it was gonna be a woman who was pregnant with a husband, husband gets hit by a car that was trying to escape Spider-man (or something like that, I don't recall the EXACT details..regardless, it was a vehicle that peripherally involved Spidey). Husband dies, woman miscarries her child outta shock, and then blames Spidey for her dual losses. Symbiote finds her and then she's Venom.
It was thought at the time that a female antagonist wouldn't seem that physical a threat, so the pregnant woman idea was scrapped, and Micheline invented Eddie and his retconned explanation for not liking Spider-man.
It'd have been interesting to see a)how the original Venom story woulda played out, and b)if she'd have become an iconic villain like Eddie/Venom did.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 17, 2014 14:01:57 GMT -5
My favorite part was that 'evil' Peter Parker was indicated to be evil by requesting more cookies from his neighbor. And milk! |
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 17, 2014 14:05:06 GMT -5
In the original story though something like this did happen to get him fired... not photoshop since he was a reporter but he didn't check his source and got burned when Spider-man caught the real sin-eater. That's still different from blatantly making something up, though. Spider-Man 3 tries to play this "Brock kinda deserves sympathy/Peter's being a huge dick" thing, but they made it so Brock totally deserved to be fired. I never read the original story, but it sounds like Eddie was just overeager to get the story, which is more relatable than fabricating one. The movie just butchered Eddie entirely. In the original story he's a sympathetic character, and in the movie he's just a complete dickbag, and I'm entirely positive it was just Sam Raimi exposing his hatred of the character. Remember the scene in the church, where Eddie begs god to kill Peter Parker? In the comic story arc, Eddie was begging god to kill him because he was tired of living a miserable existence. That one change makes all the difference. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 17, 2014 14:06:44 GMT -5
See, I don't think at any time he was sympathetic, cuz again, we never see him until after he becomes Venom, and he's already killed people.
Besides, Eddie's f*** ups were entirely his own affair, in that he was profiting off someone he thought was a legitimate serial killer instead of turning that man in. Then when the real killer is caught and he's exposed, he gets mad not at the man who was lying to him, but the hero that caught the real killer.
That's weak motivation, and in no way sympathetic.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 17, 2014 14:09:23 GMT -5
See, I don't think at any time he was sympathetic, cuz again, we never see him until after he becomes Venom, and he's already killed people. True, but how much of that was due to the symbiote warping his brain? I know depending on the writer, Eddie has always had varying degrees of free will. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 17, 2014 14:11:10 GMT -5
I edited my original post, at best you had a guy that was profiting off a killer because of his own greed.
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Post by James Fabiano on Apr 17, 2014 14:49:43 GMT -5
That's still different from blatantly making something up, though. Spider-Man 3 tries to play this "Brock kinda deserves sympathy/Peter's being a huge dick" thing, but they made it so Brock totally deserved to be fired. I never read the original story, but it sounds like Eddie was just overeager to get the story, which is more relatable than fabricating one. The movie just butchered Eddie entirely. In the original story he's a sympathetic character, and in the movie he's just a complete dickbag, and I'm entirely positive it was just Sam Raimi exposing his hatred of the character. Remember the scene in the church, where Eddie begs god to kill Peter Parker? In the comic story arc, Eddie was begging god to kill him because he was tired of living a miserable existence. That one change makes all the difference. I am glad I'm no longer the only one who believes this was a Raimi protest piece against Avi Arad or whoever, and a public burial of the character. The fact that Venom is now a glorified sidekick was the most obvious sign, but seeing how the black suit is pretty much treated as a joke throughout as well. I mean, it wasn't as bad as making Bane retarded (...and then there was Batman and Robin, I kid, I kid...) but still very brutal. I agree that 3 should have been Spider-Man vs. New Goblin and Sandman, then 4 is Spidey vs. Venom. But more and more what we got feels like the comic movie version of the Invasion Angle. As for people calling ASM a godsend from the stenches of SM3...it's nowhere near perfect. The origin of Spidey is especially watered down, and the costume looks cheap. And I like Sally Field, but she's too young to be Aunt May. Plus the Lizard has the Goomba-from-SMBitis that anything reptilian has been struck by lately. |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 17, 2014 14:56:47 GMT -5
See, I don't think at any time he was sympathetic, cuz again, we never see him until after he becomes Venom, and he's already killed people. Besides, Eddie's f*** ups were entirely his own affair, in that he was profiting off someone he thought was a legitimate serial killer instead of turning that man in. Then when the real killer is caught and he's exposed, he gets mad not at the man who was lying to him, but the hero that caught the real killer. That's weak motivation, and in no way sympathetic. Yeah, Brock was a pretty much a complete asshole to begin with going by his in universe back story. |
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Post by ratetankmark on Apr 17, 2014 15:05:54 GMT -5
The Sandman was probably the best thing about that movie and the line where Sandman asks why Spidey cared about his grandfather being gunned down and Peter yells out "Everything!!" it was a seriously awesome line and the brawl between Sandman and Spiderman in the subway station was fantastic, plus the GIFs on page one are the most hilarious gifs I've seen in a long while  |
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Apr 17, 2014 16:46:41 GMT -5
What's weird is the Eddie Brock/Sin Eater thing never actually played out on the page in 'real time'. It was only ever in flashbacks for Micheline to provide a motivation for Brock to hate Spider-man. Hell, Eddie wasn't even a character during the Sin Eater stuff, and was only created once the original idea of Venom's host fell through. Originally it was gonna be a woman who was pregnant with a husband, husband gets hit by a car that was trying to escape Spider-man (or something like that, I don't recall the EXACT details..regardless, it was a vehicle that peripherally involved Spidey). Husband dies, woman miscarries her child outta shock, and then blames Spidey for her dual losses. Symbiote finds her and then she's Venom. It was thought at the time that a female antagonist wouldn't seem that physical a threat, so the pregnant woman idea was scrapped, and Micheline invented Eddie and his retconned explanation for not liking Spider-man. It'd have been interesting to see a)how the original Venom story woulda played out, and b)if she'd have become an iconic villain like Eddie/Venom did. There have been two female Venoms, the first Ann Weying had two arcs the first being Sinner Takes All and the second Along Came A Spider the second Female Venom was Patricia Robertson |
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Post by ERON on Apr 17, 2014 17:57:48 GMT -5
I thought Spider-Man 3 was great. I actually like it better than 2. Maybe it's because I was never a huge Venom fan, so his portrayal didn't ruin the film for me like it seems to have for a lot of Venom fans.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 17, 2014 18:49:31 GMT -5
There have been sure, after the character had been well established for almost two decades. Not at its creation.
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