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Post by psychokiller on Apr 17, 2014 1:48:47 GMT -5
I disagree about Kennedy completely. He had big star potential. They wouldn't have put him in a long feud with Taker if they didn't think he had any potential to be a star. And they wouldn't have given him the MITB win if they didn't see anything in him. Where horrible luck was on his side was when he got injured soon after, and they thought he was going to be out for months when he actually was only going to be out for around 6 weeks. But the steroid thing did ruin the illegitimate son story line, & it's possible they might of took the briefcase off of him too if they didn't previously. We'll never know with that. But he did have a lot of bad luck on his side, and some unfortunate circumstances. I don't know if what he did with going on TV and telling the whole world how clean he was and then getting busted 2 weeks later would be called bad luck. All the feuds mentioned were before the steroid incident happened. Even with the injury maybe they saw money in the guy. With his penchant for getting hurt and apparent dislike from certain members backstage on what he was like to work with, along with his complete idiocy, can't call it anything but, with the steroid incident it's more like this with him. Also if he is a star and all, why is stuck in mediocrity in another fed with less talent around him ? If he's that good shouldn't he be rising above it and be the star on that show. They tried that there too and it failed and now he's feuding with a green to TV Dexter ripoff in a never ending feud. The cream always seems to rise to the top in this business...and he just hasn't been able to do it now in 2 places. Maybe the fault just lies with him. But after his suspension they still let him star in the Behind Enemy Lines movie which was a WWE Studios film. So they still were investing in him. It was mainly his injuries that did him in compared to the other stuff. And than when he allegedly injured Orton on his first match back he gets released. I never bought that Orton really was injured in that match, it seems he had it in for him in my opinion going based on his history with so many backstage problems with people & his shitty behavior. Ever since coming to TNA, as far as I know no one has complained at all about working with Anderson. Bully Ray said he likes working with him, and he had tons of matches with Kurt Angle so I'm sure there was no complaints with him either. Just watch his Lockdown 2010 Match against Angle to see how good their in ring chemistry is. And, he actually just had a long feud with Bully Ray who was the top heel in the company at the time. He was the one who ended the Aces & Eights. Now he's just in a mid-card feud at the moment to try to help put over Sam Shaw. But I'm sure he'll be back in a bigger feud within the next few months. And where else is he going to go since WWE most likely won't take him back now after everything that happened.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 1:53:53 GMT -5
Kennedy couldn't stop getting hurt. I can't blame WWE for his inability to stay healthy. Same thing with Christian right now. MVP definitely had the mic skills and talent to be a big time player. Both men could have been much bigger than they ended up.
I mean... I thought MVP, Kennedy, CM Punk and Elijah Burke were going to be the top guys in WWE for years to come.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Apr 17, 2014 3:16:57 GMT -5
Personally I've given up on the whole "Yes this guy is the future of WWE" act along time ago.
Many a time have we seen a guy get what seems to be a genuinely big push, they go undefeated for awhile, heck even get a win over an already established big name and then suddenly *Boom* push stops and their down in lower mid card.
Sometimes their fault, sometimes not.
There's a lot of guys who could have been a regular main eventer by now over the last few years, for whatever reason it just never happened.
I always liked MVP, shame he never made it bigger.
Kennedy, he was alright I suppose, I was a fan at the time but looking back, not surprised it never happened really.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 17, 2014 4:33:04 GMT -5
Kennedy shot himself in the foot way more than WWE dropped the ball on him. He got hurt all the time, he made an ass out of himself and the company saying he never used steroids only to be busted weeks later. In the end guys like Cena and Orton didn't want to work with him. To me, he's like Jeff Jarrett. A good hand to have in the upper midcard, but not a viable enough guy to make into a main event guy. Not to sound like Stephanie McMahon, but he really is a B+ Ken Kennedy WISHES he was as good as Jeff Jarrett. I'll be honest, I drank the kool-aid about Kennedy when he first came in. he was pretty entertaining as the obnoxious loudmouth heel. the problem is, he never did anything beyond that and remained a fairly flat character. he's still basically doing the same schtick in TNA, and it's like 8 years later. MVP on the other hand, yeah, they completely dropped the ball with him. biggest missed opportunity of the last 10 years.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Apr 17, 2014 4:43:12 GMT -5
Kennedy shot himself in the foot way more than WWE dropped the ball on him. He got hurt all the time, he made an ass out of himself and the company saying he never used steroids only to be busted weeks later. In the end guys like Cena and Orton didn't want to work with him. To me, he's like Jeff Jarrett. A good hand to have in the upper midcard, but not a viable enough guy to make into a main event guy. Not to sound like Stephanie McMahon, but he really is a B+ Ken Kennedy WISHES he was as good as Jeff Jarrett. I'll be honest, I drank the kool-aid about Kennedy when he first came in. he was pretty entertaining as the obnoxious loudmouth heel. the problem is, he never did anything beyond that and remained a fairly flat character. he's still basically doing the same schtick in TNA, and it's like 8 years later. MVP on the other hand, yeah, they completely dropped the ball with him. biggest missed opportunity of the last 10 years. I honestly can't imagine Kennedy/Anderson doing anything else.
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Post by Professor Chaos on Apr 17, 2014 4:49:16 GMT -5
I'm glad they weren't cause I thought they both sucked. 2 of the biggest problems I have with present day TNA.
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Post by -Lithium- on Apr 17, 2014 5:31:51 GMT -5
I really thought they were. MVP and Kennedy were two guys with charisma who actually followed the tradition of a major star in that it seemed to be themselves with the volume turned up. I loved late 06 when they had the short feud with the Brothers of Destruction...
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Post by Bad Moon on Apr 17, 2014 5:40:08 GMT -5
See if they had pulled the trigger on MVP as leader of the New Nation with Crime Time, Mark Henry and Cena he would be a multi-time WWE champion by now.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Apr 17, 2014 5:48:07 GMT -5
People on here always seemed to love MVP. I never "got" him at all I thought he was terrible.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Apr 17, 2014 5:56:19 GMT -5
MVP hit the glass ceiling, Mr. Kennedy had glass bones.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 17, 2014 6:39:37 GMT -5
MVP was the guy who I felt could been a top guy way more then Kennedy. MVP was just a better off all round performer. Kennedy was for to injury prone and laying about things to only get busted on with Steroids yeah he killed himself from going farther. When he first came in I thought he could been a star than all of that happened. He return from injuries his in ring talent got worst.
MVP was at less stayed healthy, had good to solid matches, and could work the mic. The tools where there but the WWE decided too do the whole losing streak deal, and that killed it.
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Post by Mc Mc Mannequin on Apr 17, 2014 7:38:09 GMT -5
People on here always seemed to love MVP. I never "got" him at all I thought he was terrible. Same. All style, no substance. Beyond a flashy entrance and cool attire, he was average on the mic with a horrible move set and possibly the worst finisher of all time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 8:19:19 GMT -5
MVP was good, but there was no push that could have kept Mr. Kennedy from failing as a top star. Dude had too many things working against him and was just doomed from day one.
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Post by berlynwright on Apr 17, 2014 8:50:43 GMT -5
Kennedy had big star potential. he's ok in ring and had some good matches with great workers like taker and michaels.
watch his first promo on raw after draft. he went from getting big cheers to the biggest heel with one promo.
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Post by Essential1 on Apr 17, 2014 8:53:24 GMT -5
I liked both of them and they never looked out of place in their feud with Taker/Kane. They both had tons of charisma and were decent in the ring. The characters themselves felt like they were being themselves with the volume turned up they just stood out and seemed unique. MVP's booking ruined him really(losing streak) and Kennedy was just on the shelf more often than not so anytime he did return he was lost in the shuffle anyway. I still think both of them could be useful in the WWE one day, even if it is a bit late.
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Post by zeez on Apr 17, 2014 8:54:54 GMT -5
A friend of mine explained Mr. Kennedy best. He's like if Dane Cook put on wrestling boots. I disagree with that. Kennedy's jokes were waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better.
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Post by Germansuplex on Apr 17, 2014 9:16:00 GMT -5
I used to love Kennedy, but after he returned as a face he was utter garbage. His attitude didn't help.
MVP, though, may be one of the biggest missed opportunities. He was one of my favorite things in 06/07.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 17, 2014 9:22:31 GMT -5
MVP admitted that he was completely at fault for falling out of favor with the office and creative. After the Benoit incident and they started the drug testing, MVP didn't like how the testers presented themselves and how he was treated when taking a test (said it reminded him of when he was in prison), and he took his anger out on a guy who was just doing his job. Said he felt awful afterwards, but that's what started his fall, then he always wanted to go to Japan so when he had an offer he asked WWE for his release.
Kennedy getting hurt, hurting other wrestlers, and running his mouth about the drug policy then failing a drug test killed his time.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 17, 2014 9:22:46 GMT -5
MVP...definitely a star, idk about someone you are gonna build your whole company around. That whole losing streak thing (that never works btw) really killed him but he was pretty much out the door and headed to Japan at that point anyway. The losing streak itself didn't kill him it did actually got him over as a face at the time... it was the followup that killed him.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 17, 2014 10:07:30 GMT -5
What a dark, dismal future that would've been. Science Fiction levels of dystopia.
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