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Post by Crimson on Apr 17, 2014 10:16:46 GMT -5
I have hard time feeling sorry for Mr. Kennedy. For as much as we complain about people getting Yo-yo booking, Kennedy is the rare exception. Dude was consistently put in prominent angles and got to feud with the biggest stars of the company but he kept getting injured. Hell, they even was going to write him into that "Who's Vince's secret child" storyline but he went and got himself wellnessed.
Guy was a bust.
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Post by Some Guy on Apr 17, 2014 10:36:19 GMT -5
I'm okay with Kennedy busting, since I don't like him at all (at least not anymore). MVP I think would have been a decent hand, but I don't think he's nearly as good as people hype him up to be.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 17, 2014 10:53:48 GMT -5
MVP they dropped the ball on in the worst possible way. Kennedy was in the midst of a pretty massive push wasn't he? From what I understand Vince loved the guy, loved how old school his gimmick was, and even let him use his middle name for his gimmick. And wasn't Kennedy booked to be Vince's son but was Wellnessed?
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 17, 2014 10:56:13 GMT -5
They were never going to be the future.
MVP was nothing special. It was a good gimmick, but the wrong person played it.
Kennedy was universally shit. I've never understood the appeal he has for some.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Apr 17, 2014 11:11:46 GMT -5
I was lurking here back in '06 onwards, and people on here were saying Kennedy could be the next Stone Cold. That's not a joke, multiple people said that. But he hurt the golden children, and got repeatedly injured himself - and that's the kind of thing you just can't fix.
As for MVP... he was an over heel with a unique look and character, he was good on the mic, his ring work was decent from what I remember - they turned him face, and DIDN'T strip everything that made him cool away, he was pretty over as a babyface (BALLIN'!) and then did nothing with it. Kennedy, partly intentionally, partly due to stuff beyond his control, f***ed his own career. They dropped the ball(in'!) on MVP.
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Post by PrinceD on Apr 17, 2014 11:32:34 GMT -5
As far as Ken making an "ass" out of himself on national TV, to be fair he was trying to be a company guy & tow the line. I think anyone in his shoes would've done the same considering 3/4ths of the roster was on something.
But yes he did have unfortunate injuries at the worst times. They pulled the plug too early on his MitB briefcase when he was hurt. They thought he would be out several months, but he only missed a couple of weeks.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 17, 2014 11:38:20 GMT -5
Kennedy shot himself in the foot way more than WWE dropped the ball on him. He got hurt all the time, he made an ass out of himself and the company saying he never used steroids only to be busted weeks later. In the end guys like Cena and Orton didn't want to work with him. To me, he's like Jeff Jarrett. A good hand to have in the upper midcard, but not a viable enough guy to make into a main event guy. Not to sound like Stephanie McMahon, but he really is a B+ This. The company really, *really* tried to push Kennedy and make him a big star, but he kept shooting himself in the foot every time something big was on the horizon for him.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 17, 2014 11:45:50 GMT -5
As far as Ken making an "ass" out of himself on national TV, to be fair he was trying to be a company guy & tow the line. I think anyone in his shoes would've done the same considering 3/4ths of the roster was on something. But yes he did have unfortunate injuries at the worst times. They pulled the plug too early on his MitB briefcase when he was hurt. They thought he would be out several months, but he only missed a couple of weeks. he was originally expected to be out for over a year I think.
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Post by benstudd on Apr 17, 2014 12:02:07 GMT -5
I kinda wished Mr. Kennedy would have feuded with uber intense and serious Orton as a smart ass face. Also I think I would have probably tolerated him more as the face of the company instead of Cena.
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Post by bluemeii on Apr 17, 2014 12:19:15 GMT -5
As far as Ken making an "ass" out of himself on national TV, to be fair he was trying to be a company guy & tow the line. I think anyone in his shoes would've done the same considering 3/4ths of the roster was on something. But yes he did have unfortunate injuries at the worst times. They pulled the plug too early on his MitB briefcase when he was hurt. They thought he would be out several months, but he only missed a couple of weeks. he was originally expected to be out for over a year I think. The points about Kennedy still stand. The company tried their damnest to push this guy to the moon. He kept getting hurt, and if the "newz" is to be believed people didn't want to work with him cause they thought he wasn't safe. Plus the steroid incident....no one dropped the ball on this guy. He was unreliable and exposed as a performer and embarrassed the company due to his mouth and timing. Like I said if this guy was the "stone cold" that a couple people mentioned him being, TNA would be lighting it up right now and he'd be the face of the company. He's not...he's an afterthought now. He's the ADR of 10 years ago. Solid hand, but pushed way to freakin hard and doesn't have the ability to back it up and keep others interested in him being a top guy.
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Post by Ryushinku on Apr 17, 2014 12:32:51 GMT -5
MVP, yeah, I think he could've been bigger. I don't really think it's a massive fail there, but he could've been bigger and it's a disappointment he didn't quite get to that level for whatever reason. There are some good ones, and bad ones too.
Kennedy, he's just as much to blame, arguably mostly to blame. I kept hearing about what a star he was, about what a shining future he had in this business, haven't you heard about Austin going nuts with praise for this guy and so on and so fourth. I kept watching, I kept seeing very little. Once in a blue moon he'd have a really good match, when his opponent was good enough and he was trying hard enough and you'd wonder if this might be where things clicked. Then it was right back into mediocrity again. The pattern's continued even in TNA, where you could point out that fantastic match with Angle and the recent tremendous street fight with Bully Ray...and then wonder where the hell that guy is the other 99% of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 18:05:27 GMT -5
MVP...the guy is a strong talker. His delivery is really great, very commanding and clear while retaining a certain swagger. In the ring...maybe his "moveset" wasn't that great but he's a really good wrestler. Very technically sound and threw good strikes, he was good when he could work his sort of pseudo-strong style game and be a little stiff, I remember him having a really good match with Drew McIntyre (another underrated performer that's good when he can work stiff) like the week he got released. He never did have a good finisher though, I liked the Player's Boot and the Drive-By Kick a lot but he often used the Overdrive (damn you Elix Skipper for this crime against wrestling!) or the Leaping Reverse STO. He would've done well with a submission finish, when he went to Japan he had a couple of submission finishers that were pretty cool.
If the Mr. Anderson we see in TNA is any indication, thank JHVHHH that he never made it. He sucks as a heel, because he ends up being funny then he turns face, then he gets really annoying because he's trying to be liked, so he gets turned back heel, and it's this vicious cycle of self-announced garbage. In TNA right now, he's a babyface in a feud where the heel is a psychopath who wants to murder/sex up Christy Hemme (not sure of the order), and Anderson seems less likeable than that guy.
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Post by Ken: The Hero of WWE on Apr 17, 2014 22:39:36 GMT -5
I highly doubt Mt. Kennedy was supposed to be the future of the WWE.
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Post by bootytea on Apr 17, 2014 23:42:11 GMT -5
I always found the Kennedy hype to be hilarious.
MVP was okay, but his age made it clear he would not be going that far.
Matt Hardy was doing so well that I expected him to be a main eventer, but for whatever reason, Edge was given that push.
WWE is not very good at building new stars. It feels as though they are booking things the same way they did during the Hogan Era, and can keep on doing it as long as there is a lack of competition.
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Post by psychokiller on Apr 18, 2014 1:05:25 GMT -5
I always found the Kennedy hype to be hilarious. MVP was okay, but his age made it clear he would not be going that far. Matt Hardy was doing so well that I expected him to be a main eventer, but for whatever reason, Edge was given that push. WWE is not very good at building new stars. It feels as though they are booking things the same way they did during the Hogan Era, and can keep on doing it as long as there is a lack of competition. The problem with Matt Hardy is that his promo skills are very average. So he was never going to get further than the mid-card. And in my opinion after losing the U.S. Title in 2008 ironically to Matt Hardy, that's when they should have pushed MVP into the main event or at least in a high profile feud. He was only 34 years old at the time, & he was a young 34 due to not having the wear & tear that most other 34 year olds have in the business since he started in his late 20s. I'm confident enough to say that instead of doing that awful losing streak gimmick, he should have been pushed into a high profile feud & been drafted to Raw instead of staying on Smackdown that year. That could have been the start of something special, but they screwed it up completely. And what's so hilarious about Kennedy? He was one of the best talkers in the company, and wasn't bad in the ring. If the MITB briefcase was never taken from him, he likely would have won one of the world titles at Mania 24. He just got injured at the wrong time, and than they thought the injury was going to be worse than it really turned out to be. So there was bad luck on his side there. But I still think releasing him was a mistake since he still was young & had potential. I think he's only had 1 injury since being in TNA from what I recall & not 1 wrestler since being in TNA as far as I know has said he's difficult to work with or dangerous like some of the guys in WWE claimed to have said.
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Post by bootytea on Apr 18, 2014 1:38:33 GMT -5
I always found the Kennedy hype to be hilarious. MVP was okay, but his age made it clear he would not be going that far. Matt Hardy was doing so well that I expected him to be a main eventer, but for whatever reason, Edge was given that push. WWE is not very good at building new stars. It feels as though they are booking things the same way they did during the Hogan Era, and can keep on doing it as long as there is a lack of competition. The problem with Matt Hardy is that his promo skills are very average. So he was never going to get further than the mid-card. And in my opinion after losing the U.S. Title in 2008 ironically to Matt Hardy, that's when they should have pushed MVP into the main event or at least in a high profile feud. He was only 34 years old at the time, & he was a young 34 due to not having the wear & tear that most other 34 year olds have in the business since he started in his late 20s. I'm confident enough to say that instead of doing that awful losing streak gimmick, he should have been pushed into a high profile feud & been drafted to Raw instead of staying on Smackdown that year. That could have been the start of something special, but they screwed it up completely. And what's so hilarious about Kennedy? He was one of the best talkers in the company, and wasn't bad in the ring. If the MITB briefcase was never taken from him, he likely would have won one of the world titles at Mania 24. He just got injured at the wrong time, and than they thought the injury was going to be worse than it really turned out to be. So there was bad luck on his side there. But I still think releasing him was a mistake since he still was young & had potential. I think he's only had 1 injury since being in TNA from what I recall & not 1 wrestler since being in TNA as far as I know has said he's difficult to work with or dangerous like some of the guys in WWE claimed to have said. I just feel that Matt Hardy was incredibly underrated. He would put on stellar matches every week and was crazy over. He wasn't the greatest speaker of all time, but if the WWE invested as much as they did with Edge, he would have gone places. Edge would try waaaay too hard on the mic, but got better because they gave him that opportunity. Just because Matt Hardy understandably telling the world that he wanted the worst for Edge, he was depushed and humiliated. Its not fair to put someone going through that in the position they put Matt in because there is no way he is going to be rational. Ken Kennedy was just a sloppy in ring worker who was irritating on the mic, especially with that catchphrase. It was an act that got tiresome after a few weeks. To me, Kennedy was a midcard talent at best. All those predictions of him being the fact of the company still make me laugh. Also, just because he got better in TNA, does not mean he was not botching way too much. It was very noticeable in a lot of his matches as he was just a sloppy worker.
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 18, 2014 1:47:58 GMT -5
I liked both guys, and at one point, thought that they, Umaga, and maybe Drew would be potential world champs, but I think I kind of accepted MVP had plateaued, and that his age probably hurt his chances, too, while Kennedy had injuries hold him back, and Umaga got wellness'd out and then passed away.
Drew, basically got into shitty angles, and while I like him in 3MB, I think he could be doing more. Still, glad he's in the company and at least gets to be on TV a good deal. There are much worse gigs to have.
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Post by psychokiller on Apr 18, 2014 2:07:46 GMT -5
The problem with Matt Hardy is that his promo skills are very average. So he was never going to get further than the mid-card. And in my opinion after losing the U.S. Title in 2008 ironically to Matt Hardy, that's when they should have pushed MVP into the main event or at least in a high profile feud. He was only 34 years old at the time, & he was a young 34 due to not having the wear & tear that most other 34 year olds have in the business since he started in his late 20s. I'm confident enough to say that instead of doing that awful losing streak gimmick, he should have been pushed into a high profile feud & been drafted to Raw instead of staying on Smackdown that year. That could have been the start of something special, but they screwed it up completely. And what's so hilarious about Kennedy? He was one of the best talkers in the company, and wasn't bad in the ring. If the MITB briefcase was never taken from him, he likely would have won one of the world titles at Mania 24. He just got injured at the wrong time, and than they thought the injury was going to be worse than it really turned out to be. So there was bad luck on his side there. But I still think releasing him was a mistake since he still was young & had potential. I think he's only had 1 injury since being in TNA from what I recall & not 1 wrestler since being in TNA as far as I know has said he's difficult to work with or dangerous like some of the guys in WWE claimed to have said. I just feel that Matt Hardy was incredibly underrated. He would put on stellar matches every week and was crazy over. He wasn't the greatest speaker of all time, but if the WWE invested as much as they did with Edge, he would have gone places. Edge would try waaaay too hard on the mic, but got better because they gave him that opportunity. Just because Matt Hardy understandably telling the world that he wanted the worst for Edge, he was depushed and humiliated. Its not fair to put someone going through that in the position they put Matt in because there is no way he is going to be rational. Ken Kennedy was just a sloppy in ring worker who was irritating on the mic, especially with that catchphrase. It was an act that got tiresome after a few weeks. To me, Kennedy was a midcard talent at best. All those predictions of him being the fact of the company still make me laugh. Also, just because he got better in TNA, does not mean he was not botching way too much. It was very noticeable in a lot of his matches as he was just a sloppy worker. Well I guess we just agree to disagree. I pretty much feel the same way about Matt Hardy that you do about Kennedy. I thought Matt Hardy was mid-card at best. The only time I really liked him as a singles guy was in 2002/2003 when he went by Matt Hardy Version 1. And I get that Kennedy's character would probably be annoying to some, but I still enjoy watching him to this day. And like I said, I thought he was decent in the ring, but not great. But in my opinion he was possibly one of the top 5 best talkers in the WWE. Even Paul Heyman liked him a lot. His in ring work has improved though like you said since coming to TNA. Just watch most of his matches with Bully Ray or Kurt Angle. If I was running a company I would easily rather have Kennedy on my roster over Matt Hardy. Matt Hardy to me isn't worth much without his brother.
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Post by Psychoblue on Apr 18, 2014 12:04:09 GMT -5
I was a HUGE mark for MVP and Kennedy when I started watching again in Fall 2006. They were my faves on SD the same way Rated RKO were my faves on RAW, and both of them had some great feuds with established names at the time. Yeah, it stinks that Kennedy didn't pan out, but some of you guys must be deluding yourselves if you're thinking that Kennedy at that point and time didn't look the part of a big star. Sometimes, when you're hot, you can't do any wrong, and as long as Kennedy stayed hot if not for lots of bad timed injuries and choice words, he probably could have been in a top spot for a while. MVP for sure should have gotten the big gold belt and it does bother me that he didn't, because like Kennedy, there was a time where he could do no wrong. Unfortunately, his booking could do no right once he moved to RAW.
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Post by froggyfrog on Apr 18, 2014 12:27:52 GMT -5
I never saw MVP as a potential main eventer but I liked Kennedy. WWE did a really bad job of introducing/building new stars around 2005-2010. A lot of wasted potential from those years.
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