Dave Meltzer on EY winning

[El Cokehead del Knife Fight]

With all due respect to Young as a performer, the idea of him as world champion is only not a joke because the title has been a joke for some time. So it’s more pathetic that they copied the Daniel Bryan WrestleMania scenario, right down to the injured shoulder, using the guy with the beard, winning a match, coming back later and taking the title. It came across as so pathetic.

Young was selling he had a shoulder problem, well, because WWE scripted last week that Bryan came out of his first match with a shoulder problem. I mean, they couldn’t look more low rent.

People may want to blame whoever for this, but John Gaburick is the guy in charge of creative and ultimately it’s his direction. You really can’t expect anything different because Gaburick was a Kevin Dunn friend from Baltimore who only knows WWE and nothing else. It’s pretty much impossible to be the alternative and different when the guy hired only knows one system.

Young said he’s just another fan and this is proof that if people tell you that you can’t do something, that you shouldn’t listen to them. Or you should work for an incompetent company.

[Orange]

I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy.

I'm not here to argue whether they ripped off Bryan's story because this is pro wrestling and every story has been taken and rehashed 20 times over, but it seems like the main thing here is the fact that they're both bearded.

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Apr 17, 2014 0:37:45 GMT -5 Orange said:

I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy.

I'm not here to argue whether they ripped off Bryan's story because this is pro wrestling and every story has been taken and rehashed 20 times over, but it seems like the main thing here is the fact that they're both bearded.

I dont think its just the beard. Or just the quick way he was put in the main event. Or just the shoulder injury. Or just the thing about the fans. Or just the whole "I don't look like a champion" thing from EY.

I genuinely believe if it would have been just a couple of those things the backlash wouldn't have been so bad, but all of them combined a week after WM....it was too much for it all to be a coincidence.

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Fire him. All the creative dept needs to be let go. They have no idea what they are doing.

Honestly they could be given Stone Cold, Rock and Mankind, in their prime and they would have no idea how to book them.

I'm just sick of them, not learning from their mistakes.

There has to be people out there that can book. Cut the crap and hire them!

[Bear Skin Rug]

Kill him some more, Big Dave.

[turkeysandwich]

I know this week's episode has already been taped, but I'd love to see them give EY the night off while he and ODB are on a second honeymoon.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Apr 17, 2014 0:54:05 GMT -5 @personman01 said:

Apr 17, 2014 0:37:45 GMT -5 Orange said:

I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy.

I'm not here to argue whether they ripped off Bryan's story because this is pro wrestling and every story has been taken and rehashed 20 times over, but it seems like the main thing here is the fact that they're both bearded.

I dont think its just the beard. Or just the quick way he was put in the main event. Or just the shoulder injury. Or just the thing about the fans. Or just the whole "I don't look like a champion" thing from EY.

I genuinely believe if it would have been just a couple of those things the backlash wouldn't have been so bad, but all of them combined a week after WM....it was too much for it all to be a coincidence.

Exactly. If it was just one of those things, ok sure, but ALL of those things? Of course people are gonna call it a rip-off. As Meltzer said, Young just happens to start selling a shoulder injury a week after Bryan overcame one to win the title? Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit.

[Oh Cry Me a Screwball]

Apr 17, 2014 1:45:16 GMT -5 turkeysandwich said:

I know this week's episode has already been taped, but I'd love to see them give EY the night off while he and ODB are on a second honeymoon.

The sad thing is, people would still deny that they completely ripped off the Daniel Bryan storyline.

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Apr 17, 2014 1:53:00 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

Apr 17, 2014 1:45:16 GMT -5 turkeysandwich said:

I know this week's episode has already been taped, but I'd love to see them give EY the night off while he and ODB are on a second honeymoon.

The sad thing is, people would still deny that they completely ripped off the Daniel Bryan storyline.

"People go on honeymoons all the time! WWE doesn't own the rights to honeymoons!"

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

Apr 17, 2014 1:53:00 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

Apr 17, 2014 1:45:16 GMT -5 turkeysandwich said:

I know this week's episode has already been taped, but I'd love to see them give EY the night off while he and ODB are on a second honeymoon.

The sad thing is, people would still deny that they completely ripped off the Daniel Bryan storyline.

I will f***ing die if he defends against Abyss at Sacrifice.

[Shark]

Apr 17, 2014 2:02:44 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Apr 17, 2014 1:53:00 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

The sad thing is, people would still deny that they completely ripped off the Daniel Bryan storyline.

I will f***ing die if he defends against Abyss at Sacrifice.

I don't even watch TNA anymore, but I would do a hearty Steve Austin belly laugh if this happens lol

[mrbananagrabber]

I understand copying stuff from the past, like if someone came out in a prison wardens outfit they could be accused of ripping off the Boss Man. But why copy stuff from right NOW? I honestly don't see the sense in it.

[CATCH_US IS the Conversation]

Apr 17, 2014 2:02:44 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

Apr 17, 2014 1:53:00 GMT -5 Oh Cry Me a Screwball said:

The sad thing is, people would still deny that they completely ripped off the Daniel Bryan storyline.

I will f***ing die if he defends against Abyss at Sacrifice.

To be fair EY was already feuding with Abyss. That's how he got transitioned into the title scene in the first place.

[JoDaNa1281]

Apr 17, 2014 2:48:48 GMT -5 CATCH_US IS the Conversation said:

Apr 17, 2014 2:02:44 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

I will f***ing die if he defends against Abyss at Sacrifice.

To be fair EY was already feuding with Abyss. That's how he got transitioned into the title scene in the first place.

And if Joe didn't have his personal issues & was there, EY most likely would've faced Abyss at Sacrifice anyway.

[king1836]

Here we go, another "TNA sucks" thread.

[Tiger Millionaire]

Apr 17, 2014 0:37:45 GMT -5 Orange said:

I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy.

I'm not here to argue whether they ripped off Bryan's story because this is pro wrestling and every story has been taken and rehashed 20 times over, but it seems like the main thing here is the fact that they're both bearded.

The problem to me is they're ripping off a story that just happened a week or two ago.

[El Cokehead del Knife Fight]

Apr 17, 2014 5:47:42 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

Apr 17, 2014 0:37:45 GMT -5 Orange said:

I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy.

I'm not here to argue whether they ripped off Bryan's story because this is pro wrestling and every story has been taken and rehashed 20 times over, but it seems like the main thing here is the fact that they're both bearded.

The problem to me is they're ripping off a story that just happened a week or two ago.

Yeah, it's a 7 year rule instead of a 7 day rule. And they couldn't even let a week pass.

[Tiger Millionaire]

Apr 17, 2014 5:58:26 GMT -5 El Cokehead del Knife Fight said:

Apr 17, 2014 5:47:42 GMT -5 Tiger Millionaire said:

The problem to me is they're ripping off a story that just happened a week or two ago.

Yeah, it's a 7 year rule instead of a 7 day rule. And they couldn't even let a week pass.

TNA has essentially become the Law & Order of the wrestling world: Ripped from the Headlines.

[Banecat]

Apr 17, 2014 0:37:45 GMT -5 Orange said:

I just have to question whether or not people would be having this discussion if EY didn't have a beard. That seems to be one of the hangups about this thing; they put it on the bearded guy.

The thing with the beard is that EY has had the bushy beard for years before Bryan.

Offtopic: I will give Bryan this, he can grow a long beard. Mine refuses to grow any longer then half an inch.

[Hawk Hart]

Apr 17, 2014 5:45:37 GMT -5 king1836 said:

Here we go, another "TNA sucks" thread.

Is it at all possible for any of us to have legitimate complaints about TNA with you immediately dismissing it as blind hate? I'm sorry dude but you're wrong. The overwhelming majority of people that saw last week's Impact were noting the similarities between that angle and the Bryan angle, right down to the CM Punk/Samoa Joe comparison, from basically the first segment. How is the "underdog" that has a special place in the heart of the fans having an injury and being put into a position to win two matches and the title in one night because someone walked out before the underdog ultimately triumphs in the end not literally the exact same story?