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Post by héad.casé on Apr 17, 2014 6:08:10 GMT -5
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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 17, 2014 7:55:01 GMT -5
Nailed it.
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Post by bestthateverdidit on Apr 17, 2014 7:57:55 GMT -5
I was a bit unfair to Punk I think. Mick has a great point.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 8:19:07 GMT -5
Ridiculing Punk for leaving is ludicrous. If he stayed and phoned it in for another 3 or 4 years people would no doubt be clamoring for him to leave, and he'd be main eventing or in the upper mid card doing absolutely nothing. The whole thing would blow. He left and that was best for him, and ultimately has worked out very well for the rest of the roster by freeing up a 20 minute timeslot for other people. That's more than ten percent of Raw's time; huge for other talents.
I really see no negatives to him not being on TV anymore, outside of some good matches we'll miss out on. But with all the good new wrestlers on each week, that's not too much of an issue.
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Post by segaz on Apr 17, 2014 9:00:12 GMT -5
This is what I said. It really annoyed me when certain people, even the mods, started trying to paint CM Punk as the 'bad guy'.
They compared this to Austin's walkout in 2003. Austin 'went missing'. He didn't turn up for a scheduled event. He didn't contact anyone and say he was leaving. He literally did just screw the company over.
CM Punk went to see Vince. He sat down with him, and although we don't know what they talked about, it is better than just no-showing. I remember someone saying what annoyed Vince the most about Austin was the way he left. He left like a coward, he didn't give Vince the chance to confront him about how he was feeling.
Second of all....why are people acting as if this is some sort of 'ultimate sin'? Lest we forget, Chris Jericho and The Radicalz walkout from WCW. In those scenarios, by reports, Jericho and Benoit were both offered the title, the company tried to please them, and they still walked. But somehow these guys are forgiven. Punk didn't pull a 'Rick Rude' and show up on TNA the same night clips were being played of him on WWE. He didn't show up and drop the title into a wastebasket, ala Alundra Blaze.
He needed to leave for his sanity and his health.
The over reactions from certain posters on this board is pathetic. You wanted to see Punk at WM, I hear ya. You think he's a whiny baby who had everything and still 'screwed the company over'. You think he should have stayed on till after WM and quickjobbed to people if he couldn't wrestle well any more.
To the first set of people I sympathise, I wanted to see him at Wrestlemania as well. But ultimately, I wouldn't want him risking his health for WM either. If he didn't feel comfortable doing the event for health and safety reasons, then I'm glad he walked away. I wish certain other wrestlers would have felt the confidence to do the same in various other situations.
To the second set of people....I have not much to say. Punk has had an effective few years for sure. He really has been privileged. But ultimately his passion for the business was gone. I didn't want him to become another Jericho or Foley, showing up and jobbing to everyone and everything and become one of 'those legends'. It's up to WWE to work with performers to get the best out of them. At *some* point I do believe sometimes you have to do what the company says with no argument, but realistically, why can't you be involved in a feud you like? Even if you are not wrestling for the title, you can still have an entertaining set of matches and skits.
To the third set of people.....CM Punk needed to get out of that whole environment. Sometimes it's not a case of 'sure I'll hang around for another 6 months' sometimes for your health and sanity you need to get out before you become suffocated. Better that than having his body break down on him, or him suffering a mental breakdown.
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Post by Serry on Apr 17, 2014 9:14:49 GMT -5
He needed to leave for his sanity and his health. Edge did it right. Punk did it wrong. IMHO.
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Post by Chip on Apr 17, 2014 9:25:55 GMT -5
He needed to leave for his sanity and his health. Edge did it right. Punk did it wrong. IMHO. Edge didn't have a choice. The two aren't really comparable.
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Post by Serry on Apr 17, 2014 9:26:43 GMT -5
Edge did it right. Punk did it wrong. IMHO. Edge didn't have a choice. The two aren't really comparable. How do you know Punk had?
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Post by Muskrat on Apr 17, 2014 9:28:24 GMT -5
He needed to leave for his sanity and his health. Edge did it right. Punk did it wrong. IMHO. Edge waited until his body physically couldn't go anymore. He didn't choose to retire when he did, his body (and doctor) told him the was 0 chance of him going on
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 9:28:25 GMT -5
Edge didn't have a choice. The two aren't really comparable. How do you know Punk had? Because Edge risked paralysis or death via his neck if he took a bad landing, Punk didn't, even the WWE's doctors wouldn't give someone the thumbs up if they risked dying in the ring. Punk may have been very very beaten up, but he wasn't in a situation so utterly hopeless in athletic terms.
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Post by Serry on Apr 17, 2014 9:31:16 GMT -5
How do you know Punk had? Because Edge risked paralysis or death via his neck if he took a bad landing, Punk didn't, even the WWE's doctors wouldn't give someone the thumbs up if they risked dying in the ring. Punk may have been very very beaten up, but he wasn't in a situation so utterly hopeless in athletic terms. I was refering to the way he left, not why he left. 'I can't do this anymore, bye' is more okay for me than the way Punk did it.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Apr 17, 2014 9:34:17 GMT -5
I don't disagree with Mick on this.
I just think the way in which Punk left was lame and made worse by the fact that a segment of fans couldn't resist shitting all over the company and live events because they had misdirected emotions
Even though he had no obligation to do so I think Punk should have said *something* to his fanbase following his walkout. It would have made things much easier on everyone involved (the company. his fans, his friends/peers in the business)
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 17, 2014 9:36:25 GMT -5
Ridiculing Punk for leaving is ludicrous. If he stayed and phoned it in for another 3 or 4 years people would no doubt be clamoring for him to leave, and he'd be main eventing or in the upper mid card doing absolutely nothing. The whole thing would blow. He left and that was best for him, and ultimately has worked out very well for the rest of the roster by freeing up a 20 minute timeslot for other people. That's more than ten percent of Raw's time; huge for other talents. I really see no negatives to him not being on TV anymore, outside of some good matches we'll miss out on. But with all the good new wrestlers on each week, that's not too much of an issue. Bingo. I might be iffy on having him as the face of the company if that was his main holdup, but if he doesn't feel he has it anymore, why should he hang around and keep working somewhere he's not happy at if he's got enough dinero saved up?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 9:36:29 GMT -5
Because Edge risked paralysis or death via his neck if he took a bad landing, Punk didn't, even the WWE's doctors wouldn't give someone the thumbs up if they risked dying in the ring. Punk may have been very very beaten up, but he wasn't in a situation so utterly hopeless in athletic terms. I was refering to the way he left, not why he left. 'I can't do this anymore, bye' is more okay for me than the way Punk did it. Punk worked all the dates agreed on his contract. They aren't employees, they're independent contractors with none of the benefits independent contractors in the non-wrestling world get, so leaving is fine, there's no legal grounds the WWE can step on Punk from, nor does he have to stick around if he feels beaten up/annoyed/depressed/like he wants to try new things. See: Brock Lesnar leaving in 2004. He wasn't happy, and the clause the WWE tried to push banning him from working anywhere else was thrown out legally very easily. I'd rather someone walk away without crippling themselves than dare to say "it's fine if they leave without their full health intact."
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 17, 2014 9:40:57 GMT -5
Not surprising that a guy like Foley would understand just how hard it can be to compete at the level Punk was at for so long.
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Post by Serry on Apr 17, 2014 9:43:08 GMT -5
They aren't employees, they're independent contractors with none of the benefits independent contractors in the non-wrestling world get, so leaving is fine, there's no legal grounds the WWE can step on Punk from, nor does he have to stick around if he feels beaten up/annoyed/depressed/like he wants to try new things. See: Brock Lesnar leaving in 2004. He wasn't happy, and the clause the WWE tried to push banning him from working anywhere else was thrown out legally very easily. I'd rather someone walk away without crippling themselves than dare to say "it's fine if they leave without their full health intact." I'm not arguing if he has a right to walk out or not, it's his choice/right to do so and none of my business at all, I'm talking about Edge's going out and saying 'I'm done, I'm sorry, thank you, bye'. Punk could leave WWE the other way than he did. That is my point. I ain't Punk hater, I miss the guy, but if it's better for him - fine.
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Post by Chip on Apr 17, 2014 9:44:46 GMT -5
Because Edge risked paralysis or death via his neck if he took a bad landing, Punk didn't, even the WWE's doctors wouldn't give someone the thumbs up if they risked dying in the ring. Punk may have been very very beaten up, but he wasn't in a situation so utterly hopeless in athletic terms. I was refering to the way he left, not why he left. 'I can't do this anymore, bye' is more okay for me than the way Punk did it. Thing is Punk had done this before but in a storyline capacity, so the idea that he would just one day not be there isn't too unexpected of him. It fit the character he was presenting. Punk doing a big "I lost my smile" promo on some RAW couldn't be more out of character.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 9:49:23 GMT -5
They aren't employees, they're independent contractors with none of the benefits independent contractors in the non-wrestling world get, so leaving is fine, there's no legal grounds the WWE can step on Punk from, nor does he have to stick around if he feels beaten up/annoyed/depressed/like he wants to try new things. See: Brock Lesnar leaving in 2004. He wasn't happy, and the clause the WWE tried to push banning him from working anywhere else was thrown out legally very easily. I'd rather someone walk away without crippling themselves than dare to say "it's fine if they leave without their full health intact." I'm not arguing if he has a right to walk out or not, it's his choice/right to do so and none of my business at all, I'm talking about Edge's going out and saying 'I'm done, I'm sorry, thank you, bye'. Punk could leave WWE the other way than he did. That is my point. I ain't Punk hater, I miss the guy, but if it's better for him - fine. The only reason Edge got that opportunity is due to his neck being at a point of absurd risk though, that's why the situation is entirely different. An injured at breaking point wrestler (Edge) leaving so the company isn't at risk of dealing with a wrestler dying in their ring against a wrestler having fulfilled his contract and being tired of something or other and leaving as it's not worth him beating himself up every night (CM Punk) isn't comparable in any way, shape, or form.
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Post by Serry on Apr 17, 2014 9:56:43 GMT -5
The only reason Edge got that opportunity is due to his neck being at a point of absurd risk though, that's why the situation is entirely different. I'm sorry I ain't native speaker and maybe my point expressed not very clear, but I am still not quite sure how his neck and farewell promo on RAW are connected whatsoever, he could leave the company without saying anything on TV, but okay.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Apr 17, 2014 10:04:20 GMT -5
As someone who went way too far hurting himself to entertain others Foley should know about this better than most.
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