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Post by JTG Fan on Apr 17, 2014 13:11:07 GMT -5
Again, until actual legit details come out, it's impossible to judge Punk on his decisions, or even know what he said, what Vince agreed or disagreed to, and what really even happened. Making a judgment and a condemnation with zero evidence is absurd. This. but also f*** YOU PHIL BROOKS
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Apr 17, 2014 13:19:07 GMT -5
He's still a crybaby to me dammit!
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 17, 2014 13:23:40 GMT -5
Common practice when leaving a job in any field is 2 weeks notice. Do we "know" everything that went down and how it went down? Of course not, and we won't "know" it 10 years from now after every person on the current roster has done a shoot interview and given their takes on it. We'll still just have accounts from varying perspectives. So my opinion is based on what was reported about how it went down -- specifically that he met with Vince on the day of a Raw and left, forcing major rewrites since he was going to be on that show (presumably starting an angle with HHH). If he didn't want to do that angle, and he wanted to walk, if he was unhappy or in pain or whatever the reason, I have no problem with that. If he didn't feel he could get back in the ring and work a match, I understand and sympathize. But to me it seems the right thing to do would have been to give 2 weeks notice, tell them they need to write him out of the show -- injury angle, walkout, retirement, however they agreed to do it -- and then take some time off or walk off into the sunset, whatever. To leave it hanging the way he did and give them no storyline options is not the best way to do it, and not, in my opinion, professional. I'll say this: I can buy the story of WWE not realizing how over Bryan really was and originally putting him with Sheamus or Kane, while Punk faced HHH at WM30. But given how hard HHH jobbed and was then humiliated by Beardamania, the hearsay about Punk being angry over having to job to HHH doesn't seem as likely to me. I'm guessing a Punk win over Hunter was probably on the books before he walked. That doesn't do much to taint my opinion over him leaving, though. If that's the basic truth of it, I disagree with Punk's (alleged) belief that a HHH match is beneath him (the Reign of Terror and his marriage with Steph, IMO, has overshadowed the fact he's easily one of the greatest heels in both WWE and wrestling history, and a great wrestler even after the quad tear). But if he wasn't happy with it for whatever reason, it's his prerogative not to participate in it. Not that I'm comparing Punk to a sheer legend on the level of Bobby Brown, but you know what I mean.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 17, 2014 13:31:58 GMT -5
Again, until actual legit details come out, it's impossible to judge Punk on his decisions, or even know what he said, what Vince agreed or disagreed to, and what really even happened. Making a judgment and a condemnation with zero evidence is absurd. But this is the internet. Judging without merit or evidence is like the third commandment. Jokes aside, I still defend Punk on this deal until all the details come forward. Just look at the facts we have thusfar: - Punk showed up at his job at the scheduled time with everyone else that Monday. - He made time to sit down with Vince McMahon. - He hasn't made any negative public statements about the company since leaving. - WWE hasn't made any negative public statements about him. So just taking those things into account, it doesn't to me look as though Punk acted like some massive egotistical douchebag who cackled out the door as he f***ed the company over. It looks like two parties separating and handling it in a mature fashion. I think both sides are handling it extremely well. As a few other posters have already pointed out, CM Punk showing up at the arena and sitting down with the boss already paints this situation much better than Steve Austin's walkout.
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Post by molson5 on Apr 17, 2014 13:56:06 GMT -5
As someone who went way too far hurting himself to entertain others Foley should know about this better than most. Ya, but despite those injuries, and despite occasional aimless booking over the years in different promotions, I don't think Foley never just walked out on a company with zero notice.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 17, 2014 15:42:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty certain that he already does. I'm almost certain that Jericho talked about how he was always doing yoga when he came back and was never in pain, while Punk never did and constantly had ice packs on him. Jericho's pretty much the luckiest wrestler when it comes to avoiding injuries. I think the worst injury he's had was a chipped tooth against HBK.
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Apr 17, 2014 15:54:13 GMT -5
Ridiculing Punk for leaving is ludicrous. If he stayed and phoned it in for another 3 or 4 years people would no doubt be clamoring for him to leave, and he'd be main eventing or in the upper mid card doing absolutely nothing. The whole thing would blow. He left and that was best for him, and ultimately has worked out very well for the rest of the roster by freeing up a 20 minute timeslot for other people. That's more than ten percent of Raw's time; huge for other talents. I really see no negatives to him not being on TV anymore, outside of some good matches we'll miss out on. But with all the good new wrestlers on each week, that's not too much of an issue. Heck, people were clamoring for him to leave already. Right now the product without Punk is fresh and exciting, and thinking about, Punk would've been lost in the shuffle, being awkwardly shoehorned into main event angles that he probably wouldn't have been that interested in. Punk's one of my favorites ever, and I'm sad that he's gone, but I understand why he did it and looking at how healthy he seems, per Talking Dead, and with the whole engagement to A.J., I have to say I'm happy for him.
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 17, 2014 16:21:27 GMT -5
From what little has been said, Punk had so e perfectly legit grievances. But there are still better ways of handling it than storming out in a huff. There is not a doubt in my mind he was feeling the aches and pains of his profession, but he could have asked for some time off and I am willing to wager Vince would have given it to him, as he has with other wrestlers having the same problem in the past.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Apr 17, 2014 16:52:47 GMT -5
I'm almost certain that Jericho talked about how he was always doing yoga when he came back and was never in pain, while Punk never did and constantly had ice packs on him. Jericho's pretty much the luckiest wrestler when it comes to avoiding injuries. I think the worst injury he's had was a chipped tooth against HBK. T'was the broken arm in Smokey Mountain. Apologies for the dick correction, but it's 1 of my 2 bits of trivia in life.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 17, 2014 16:58:46 GMT -5
I don't mind him leaving before his contract is up, or right before Mania. The way WWE treats it's performers at times, they really deserve no sympathy if a guy walks out.
Doing it right before a Raw is a little weak to me though. I wouldnt' demand 2 weeks notice from him, but leaving your coworkers scrambling to fill your spot right before your show isn't the best way to do it.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Apr 17, 2014 17:22:50 GMT -5
From what little has been said, Punk had so e perfectly legit grievances. But there are still better ways of handling it than storming out in a huff. There is not a doubt in my mind he was feeling the aches and pains of his profession, but he could have asked for some time off and I am willing to wager Vince would have given it to him, as he has with other wrestlers having the same problem in the past. How do you know he didn't? As a matter of fact, everything that has been reported has said that he met with Vince in private before leaving. Without either man talking, to say that that he did something the right or wrong way is completely wrong.
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Post by Sephiroth on Apr 17, 2014 17:24:14 GMT -5
From what little has been said, Punk had so e perfectly legit grievances. But there are still better ways of handling it than storming out in a huff. There is not a doubt in my mind he was feeling the aches and pains of his profession, but he could have asked for some time off and I am willing to wager Vince would have given it to him, as he has with other wrestlers having the same problem in the past. How do you know he didn't? As a matter of fact, everything that has been reported has said that he met with Vince in private before leaving. Without either man talking, to say that that he did something the right or wrong way is completely wrong. Heaven forbid I think that burning the bridge is a bad idea
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 17:28:13 GMT -5
How do you know he didn't? As a matter of fact, everything that has been reported has said that he met with Vince in private before leaving. Without either man talking, to say that that he did something the right or wrong way is completely wrong. Heaven forbid I think that burning the bridge is a bad idea Is he really burning a bridge? It's not like he has been shooting on the company or anything and he left at a pretty good time story wise, having been put through a table the previous night. It's not like he did this during his 400+ days title reign.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Apr 17, 2014 17:31:28 GMT -5
How do you know he didn't? As a matter of fact, everything that has been reported has said that he met with Vince in private before leaving. Without either man talking, to say that that he did something the right or wrong way is completely wrong. Heaven forbid I think that burning the bridge is a bad idea You don't know that he did is my point. We, all of us from news writers to wrestlers to fans, have no idea what went on between Vince McMahon and CM Punk on Jan. 27th, 2014. All we know is he met with Vince that day and has not been back on WWE TV since then. No one knows if he burned a bridge or was given time off. Hell, we don't even know that we are not being worked on some grand scale. There are only 4, maybe 5 people that know went on that day, CM Punk, Vince McMahon, Stephanie McMahon, Triple H and possibly AJ Lee and none of them are talking about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 17:35:59 GMT -5
I was a bit unfair to Punk I think. Mick has a great point. A beautiful rarity on the internet "hmm. maybe I was wrong." I commend you sir.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Apr 17, 2014 17:39:33 GMT -5
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Post by Chip on Apr 17, 2014 17:42:28 GMT -5
Jericho's pretty much the luckiest wrestler when it comes to avoiding injuries. I think the worst injury he's had was a chipped tooth against HBK. T'was the broken arm in Smokey Mountain. Apologies for the dick correction, but it's 1 of my 2 bits of trivia in life. Probably one of my favourite stories from Jericho's book, it's so easy to picture Cornette losing his shit.
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Post by tigermaskxxxvii on Apr 17, 2014 17:54:36 GMT -5
I'm a little confused on how Punk leaving after discussing his feelings and intentions to Vince and Hunter as mature businessmen in a closed door meeting while his on screen character was in the middle of a "who gives a shit?" angle being treated like The Ultimate Warrior putting the Summer Slam '91 main event in jeopardy by holding out for more money? Not only is CM Punk's health and sanity at issue here, but the health of everyone else on the roster. I mean would anyone here like to be hit with a Muay Thai Kick, step-up high knee, or a GTS by a man who has mentally checked out of his work? I would like to see Punk come back if/when he's damn good and ready, but the product is good as is with the guys stepping up (and guys on the NXT roster getting the call up). But I hope he stays in public life to some extent since the dude is entertaining. Whether it be a web series, a podcast, sporadic appearences on @midnight, etc. It would be a waste if he became the J.D. Salinger of pro wrestling. I'm with Mick on this, but I wish Punk would just do some freaking yoga. If this results in DDP becoming Punk's onscreen mentor upon Punk's WWE return, then Vince can have all of my f***ing money!
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Post by Piccolo on Apr 17, 2014 21:17:32 GMT -5
From what little has been said, Punk had so e perfectly legit grievances. But there are still better ways of handling it than storming out in a huff. Receipts for Punk "storming out in a huff", please. All I heard was that he was trying to get in to see Vince all day, but Vince was tied up in meetings and couldn't see him until fairly late. Nothing at all implying anger from either party.
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 17, 2014 21:30:43 GMT -5
Ridiculing Punk for leaving is ludicrous. If he stayed and phoned it in for another 3 or 4 years people would no doubt be clamoring for him to leave, and he'd be main eventing or in the upper mid card doing absolutely nothing. The whole thing would blow. He left and that was best for him, and ultimately has worked out very well for the rest of the roster by freeing up a 20 minute timeslot for other people. That's more than ten percent of Raw's time; huge for other talents. I really see no negatives to him not being on TV anymore, outside of some good matches we'll miss out on. But with all the good new wrestlers on each week, that's not too much of an issue. The New Age Outlaws and Evolution?
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