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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Apr 17, 2014 21:43:59 GMT -5
As someone who went way too far hurting himself to entertain others Foley should know about this better than most. Ya, but despite those injuries, and despite occasional aimless booking over the years in different promotions, I don't think Foley never just walked out on a company with zero notice. This is making the huge assumption that Vince even asked for Punk to give some notice. For all the stories about his ruthlessness, it's often overlooked how accommodating and compassionate Vince is. Punk was spinning his wheels with no real direction. What would they have accomplished by having him hang around for a couple more weeks?
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Post by Mozenrath on Apr 17, 2014 21:50:10 GMT -5
I am reminded of when Jericho left the first time, he explained on Nerdist, that part of the problem he has is, if he is fried creatively and running out there on auto-pilot, you end up getting injured or injuring other people, you get sloppy. When that happens, you need to change or take time off, or you're going to sink.
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Post by lildude8218 on Apr 17, 2014 21:57:56 GMT -5
the man has clearly been recovering from a concussion for some time. why else would he suddenly ask a girl to marry him? that's not the way he normally acts.
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Post by Batman on Apr 17, 2014 22:03:37 GMT -5
I think it's also worth noting that WWE, in order to avoid certain obligations and liabilities, makes the distinction that their performers are independent contractors and not full-time employees. There are two sides to that coin, which is why Punk was well within his rights to take his leave with minimal notice.
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Post by FAR5222 on Apr 17, 2014 22:09:17 GMT -5
I totally agree with Foley on this. As a viewer I'm happy he's gone because of how boring his run has been since after SummerSlam. His ring work and promos have suffered. What ever amount of time he needs is fine with me. I just don't want him coming back and phoning it in.
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Post by Johnny on Apr 18, 2014 5:03:22 GMT -5
I refuse to judge Punk or wwe without knowing any details of the conversation he had with Vince.
The fact that he's been silent tells me that he'll be back to main event mania some day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 6:23:55 GMT -5
Ridiculing Punk for leaving is ludicrous. If he stayed and phoned it in for another 3 or 4 years people would no doubt be clamoring for him to leave, and he'd be main eventing or in the upper mid card doing absolutely nothing. The whole thing would blow. He left and that was best for him, and ultimately has worked out very well for the rest of the roster by freeing up a 20 minute timeslot for other people. That's more than ten percent of Raw's time; huge for other talents. I really see no negatives to him not being on TV anymore, outside of some good matches we'll miss out on. But with all the good new wrestlers on each week, that's not too much of an issue. The New Age Outlaws and Evolution? You mean the guys that would be on and doing their thing no matter what? I'm referring to younger wrestlers and mid card guys who got nothing in the way of TV time until very recently.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Apr 18, 2014 6:45:14 GMT -5
This reminds me of when Molly Holly left. EVERY dirt sheet and site reported that she left because she didn't like the direction they were going in and that she was offended because of her character. On her shoot interview she said that the real reason she left was that she was afraid that she had cancer and it scared the crap out of her. She also goes on to say that no one ever spoke to her, Vince or any of the agents and the story was simply made up and without any fact.
No one knows what happened but Vince and Punk, everything else is just sensationalism.
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Post by Boo! on Apr 18, 2014 6:47:10 GMT -5
If he was beat up he could have at least given the company more notice than turning up in the middle of an angle and saying "i'm done". It's one of those things where it's who it is that gives him the pass. The issue was never him needing time off but how he did it. Of course he's legally entitled to have done it but so is everyone in the business, doesn't stop showing up and saying "i'm done" being bad form.
Unless something happened specifically that week or day that dramatically altered his ability to continue the programme I still think it was quite disrespectful not to tell the company earlier. They could have written him out at the Rumble in some kind of angle or something.
Kane was left high and dry and countless matches have been crapped over on the basis that they couldn't give him a proper 'ending' and fans understandably thought "wtf?". When a star just leaves it raises questions and IMO I think it was unfair for Punk not to give WWE the chance to give him a 'storyline' exit.
The only defence to that is if Punk found something out on Monday afternoon he didn't know Sunday night. If he just wanted to take time off because of a collection of injuries then I still say not giving notice was a bit dickish, unless he woke up Monday and realised "hey, I have injuries, where'd they come from?"
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Apr 18, 2014 7:08:22 GMT -5
The New Age Outlaws and Evolution? You mean the guys that would be on and doing their thing no matter what? I'm referring to younger wrestlers and mid card guys who got nothing in the way of TV time until very recently. Ok Punk is not an "old" guy so younger is kind of a laugh when a lot of guys getting TV are the same age. Being we just came off WM season. Who we get so far? RVD beating Fandango, Sandow, and Curt Hawkins on a show Punk never would be on anyway. Yeah I'm so glad we got more Emma and Santino and more Hornswaggle. Soon to add Bo Dallas to the list. The only thing is changed is the Shield became faces and there pushing Cesaro who still had TV all along.
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Post by molson5 on Apr 18, 2014 9:28:24 GMT -5
I think it's also worth noting that WWE, in order to avoid certain obligations and liabilities, makes the distinction that there performers are independent contractors and not full-time employees. There are two sides to that coin, which is why Punk was well within his rights to take his leave with minimal notice. Full-time employees are free to quit without notice too. Notice is just a professional courtesy.
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Post by khali on Apr 18, 2014 9:46:03 GMT -5
As someone who went way too far hurting himself to entertain others Foley should know about this better than most. Ya, but despite those injuries, and despite occasional aimless booking over the years in different promotions, I don't think Foley never just walked out on a company with zero notice. Techncially, Foley did walk out at one point. He just didn't go to Raw the night after the Screwjob, but changed his mind pretty quickly.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Apr 18, 2014 10:31:20 GMT -5
Many people keep saying he never gave notice. How do we know that he hadn't been talking to Vince/HHH/writers for weeks before he took time off?
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Apr 18, 2014 10:57:38 GMT -5
Punk could have left in a much better fashion, that's my issue with it all.
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Post by Hanzo on Apr 18, 2014 10:59:10 GMT -5
Eh.....He'll be back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 11:21:59 GMT -5
As someone who went way too far hurting himself to entertain others Foley should know about this better than most. Ya, but despite those injuries, and despite occasional aimless booking over the years in different promotions, I don't think Foley never just walked out on a company with zero notice. IIRC, there was a kind of weird way he left the company back in late 2001.....as close as he ever got to walking out.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Apr 18, 2014 11:49:02 GMT -5
Punk could have left in a much better fashion, that's my issue with it all. People keep saying this, but how do we actually know that he didn't?? For all we know he may have been telling Vince that he needed time off and planned to take a break.
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Post by Ginger Beer Man on Apr 18, 2014 13:14:09 GMT -5
Punk could have left in a much better fashion, that's my issue with it all. People keep saying this, but how do we actually know that he didn't?? For all we know he may have been telling Vince that he needed time off and planned to take a break. Well of course that's true, but I'm only going on assumption. If it turns out he did it in a more graceful and professional manner then I'd be glad to hear it and apologise.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 13:36:58 GMT -5
You mean the guys that would be on and doing their thing no matter what? I'm referring to younger wrestlers and mid card guys who got nothing in the way of TV time until very recently. Ok Punk is not an "old" guy so younger is kind of a laugh when a lot of guys getting TV are the same age. Being we just came off WM season. Who we get so far? RVD beating Fandango, Sandow, and Curt Hawkins on a show Punk never would be on anyway. Yeah I'm so glad we got more Emma and Santino and more Hornswaggle. Soon to add Bo Dallas to the list. The only thing is changed is the Shield became faces and there pushing Cesaro who still had TV all along. You also have tag champion Usos, more time for Bryan's feuds, MORE time for Cesaro, MORE time for the Shield and Wyatts, and more time for wrestling in general. Most of Punk's recent stuff was plodding interview segments.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 18, 2014 13:45:41 GMT -5
Again, the people who see Punk as a crybaby have exactly zero evidence to back that up. No one knows a thing except the people directly involved. And for whatever reason, these people, Punk included, have chosen to say nothing or take any kind of action.
When Stone Cold walked out in 2002, it was highly publicized, and Vince sent The Rock out the next week to bury him on RAW, and the corresponding episodes of WWE confidential were used as tabloid pieces to further drop dirt on the Texas Rattlesnake.
Now answer me this, WHY, why I ask would WWE simply let Punk not only walk out, but not say anything, or even attempt to file breach of contract charges out of rightful spite? Perhaps because it truly was amicable? And at a crossroads, both WWE and Punk decided the best course of action would be to simply let Punk's remaining downside expire, and then mutually part ways with zero mudslinging? The whole thing makes no sense based on the prior actions of both WWE and Punk.
But again, we have no actual evidence, so all theories are bullshit right now. And all the people crying "crybaby!" are big marks who simply want Punk to be guilty of that as opposed to any other scenario. It's all just a little too personal and filled with vitriol for people with no real evidence or info.
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