King Ghidorah
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Post by King Ghidorah on Apr 17, 2014 12:10:26 GMT -5
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Apr 17, 2014 12:15:09 GMT -5
Really? REALLY?!
Come on.....
The dude was willing to pay the f***ing money but they didn't even give him a chance?
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Post by Savage Gambino on Apr 17, 2014 12:25:52 GMT -5
I'm guessing crime is not much of a problem down in Charleston, for the Chief of Police to personally subdue guy that refilled his cup without paying.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 17, 2014 12:26:25 GMT -5
My interpretation of events depends largely on how true this statement is. People can get really aggressive, even violent, when they've been told they've made a small mistake like that. People love abusing (stealing) refills. If he got confrontational, then there was no reason to serve him and increase the possibility of him becoming violent.
That being said, he should just be able to pay them back, apologize for any inappropriate actions he took towards state employees, and everybody should move on.
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Post by MGH on Apr 17, 2014 12:27:11 GMT -5
Yeah I need a little more on this.
These stories are rarely as cut and dry as they look.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 12:38:52 GMT -5
In all honesty, if someone identified themself as the CHIEF OF POLICE and was hassling me about a refill, I'd have a hard time taking them seriously. I'd think it was just some idiot messing with me.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 12:42:34 GMT -5
Love how that final sentence is probably the key factor in undoing this whole story and the general impression it gives.
Story could probably be "Chief of police sexual molested with shards of glass by rampaging Nazi maniac at VA hospital over supposed soda refill error", for all we know.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 12:47:52 GMT -5
I'm an ex-bouncer/current store security and articles like this that are made to tug at your emotions and root for the little guy without knowing the full extent of what he actually did or real reason why he reprimanded just annoy me to no end. Sure, sometimes people in authority are abusive morons but just as often the person on the end of it was an absolute c**t and caused the situation by being so.
I could fill this thread with stories but I won't derail it other than just saying that those making any judgement based on the information we've been given are being ignorant. That and the guy posting this is really not doing anything but inciting.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 16:30:17 GMT -5
I'm an ex-bouncer/current store security and articles like this that are made to tug at your emotions and root for the little guy without knowing the full extent of what he actually did or real reason why he reprimanded just annoy me to no end. Sure, sometimes people in authority are abusive morons but just as often the person on the end of it was an absolute c**t and caused the situation by being so. I could fill this thread with stories but I won't derail it other than just saying that those making any judgement based on the information we've been given are being ignorant. That and the guy posting this is really not doing anything but inciting. Ok, I'm ob your side as every job has its share of stories from Retail to Fast Food to even Government Jobs like the Welfare office, and I'm not taking that away... ...but if the story is correct, he was caught on his first mistake, which means he actually had a chance to fix said mistake. If he was going back for multiple refills in hopes of not getting caught then yeah he deserves punishment (not federal mind you), and trust me I'm not just saying that, as being homeless in 2011 had me as that guy. Thing is though, there were better ways to handle this on all ends though. Hypothetically if he couldn't pay, why not just make him dump the drink? Or how about even letting it go with a slap on the wrist, seeing as it's his first offense and he made the mistake reasonably on his lunch break when all a person is thinking about is their meal and getting back to work asap? Again dude, I agree with you because I worked retail during the holidays, so if anything I f***ing believe you...but he's just a guy who made a mistake |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 18:23:20 GMT -5
I'm an ex-bouncer/current store security and articles like this that are made to tug at your emotions and root for the little guy without knowing the full extent of what he actually did or real reason why he reprimanded just annoy me to no end. Sure, sometimes people in authority are abusive morons but just as often the person on the end of it was an absolute c**t and caused the situation by being so. I could fill this thread with stories but I won't derail it other than just saying that those making any judgement based on the information we've been given are being ignorant. That and the guy posting this is really not doing anything but inciting. Ok, I'm ob your side as every job has its share of stories from Retail to Fast Food to even Government Jobs like the Welfare office, and I'm not taking that away... ...but if the story is correct, he was caught on his first mistake, which means he actually had a chance to fix said mistake. If he was going back for multiple refills in hopes of not getting caught then yeah he deserves punishment (not federal mind you), and trust me I'm not just saying that, as being homeless in 2011 had me as that guy. Thing is though, there were better ways to handle this on all ends though. Hypothetically if he couldn't pay, why not just make him dump the drink? Or how about even letting it go with a slap on the wrist, seeing as it's his first offense and he made the mistake reasonably on his lunch break when all a person is thinking about is their meal and getting back to work asap? Again dude, I agree with you because I worked retail during the holidays, so if anything I f***ing believe you...but he's just a guy who made a mistake You say you believe me, and you know how people can be, which is good but you missed my point entirely. That was that you can't say that "he's just a guy who made a mistake". The way he was treated would heavily depend on his actions after he was confronted. If he was civil and it was an abuse of power, I feel for him. If he wasn't (which the article hints at) I can absolutely understand them pressing charges for him "stealing 89 cents". Because there's no real law against being a verbally abusive asshead. Again, I'm not saying that it wasn't a total miscarriage of justice. I'm saying that you should know both sides before you jump to defending one or the other. I don't think we have nearly all the facts here. This whole thread belongs on Facebook in my opinion, and crap like this is one of the reasons I don't use mine much. Now if you'll excuse me I need to get away from this thread before I get myself in trouble. |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Apr 17, 2014 18:32:38 GMT -5
If you are going to charge for refills, why put the machine in a place where people can refill their own drink? If I am the one filling and refilling my beverage, I kinda expect the refills to be free.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 18:55:15 GMT -5
If you are going to charge for refills, why put the machine in a place where people can refill their own drink? If I am the one filling and refilling my beverage, I kinda expect the refills to be free. I get you but this wasn't a fast food place, it was a hospital cafeteria. It's on the honor system and had multiple signs on the wall. |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Apr 17, 2014 19:20:26 GMT -5
If you are going to charge for refills, why put the machine in a place where people can refill their own drink? If I am the one filling and refilling my beverage, I kinda expect the refills to be free. I get you but this wasn't a fast food place, it was a hospital cafeteria. It's on the honor system and had multiple signs on the wall. You cannot trust people to see a sign, let alone read it. For example, our rules thread has just short of 8k views despite being an announcement on here from the day they were posted until just a week or so ago, yet we have far more members so there is no chance for everyone to have actually bothered to see them. It is an even fewer number that have seen it when you consider the amount of time the staff double checks that thread or goes to quote the rules or people go. Does that excuse not following the rules, no but you cannot expect people know better when they don't bother to check. As far the location being a hospital and not a fast food location, that is not a good excuse, IMO. If you don't want people to think refills are free, put the machine where they cannot do it or station someone there to take payment. Anything else points to free refills, signage or not. |
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King Ghidorah
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Post by King Ghidorah on Apr 17, 2014 19:26:00 GMT -5
I've never seen such passion over free refills
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 19:36:54 GMT -5
I get you but this wasn't a fast food place, it was a hospital cafeteria. It's on the honor system and had multiple signs on the wall. You cannot trust people to see a sign, let alone read it. For example, our rules thread has just short of 8k views despite being an announcement on here from the day they were posted until just a week or so ago, yet we have far more members so there is no chance for everyone to have actually bothered to see them. It is an even fewer number that have seen it when you consider the amount of time the staff double checks that thread or goes to quote the rules or people go. Does that excuse not following the rules, no but you cannot expect people know better when they don't bother to check. As far the location being a hospital and not a fast food location, that is not a good excuse, IMO. If you don't want people to think refills are free, put the machine where they cannot do it or station someone there to take payment. Anything else points to free refills, signage or not. From your position that means that you understand if someone breaks the rules on here because you don't expect them to know better since they didn't bother to check? You say that it doesn't excuse them from not following the rules but you seem to be excusing the drink guy. Again, I could be wrong, but to me this screams of a guy raising a fuss over something stupid like not getting a free refill that he's come to expect and that fuss he made causing the officer to actually charge him with the crime. The fact that the charges are federal and the fine is so high means nothing when it comes to the facts of the story. You can't blame the officer for either of those since a VA hospital is federal property and the fine is set. |
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 17, 2014 19:38:12 GMT -5
I get you but this wasn't a fast food place, it was a hospital cafeteria. It's on the honor system and had multiple signs on the wall. You cannot trust people to see a sign, let alone read it. For example, our rules thread has just short of 8k views despite being an announcement on here from the day they were posted until just a week or so ago, yet we have far more members so there is no chance for everyone to have actually bothered to see them. It is an even fewer number that have seen it when you consider the amount of time the staff double checks that thread or goes to quote the rules or people go. Does that excuse not following the rules, no but you cannot expect people know better when they don't bother to check. I'm glad you and I both have a dismal view of human nature.  |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Apr 17, 2014 20:01:09 GMT -5
You cannot trust people to see a sign, let alone read it. For example, our rules thread has just short of 8k views despite being an announcement on here from the day they were posted until just a week or so ago, yet we have far more members so there is no chance for everyone to have actually bothered to see them. It is an even fewer number that have seen it when you consider the amount of time the staff double checks that thread or goes to quote the rules or people go. Does that excuse not following the rules, no but you cannot expect people know better when they don't bother to check. As far the location being a hospital and not a fast food location, that is not a good excuse, IMO. If you don't want people to think refills are free, put the machine where they cannot do it or station someone there to take payment. Anything else points to free refills, signage or not. From your position that means that you understand if someone breaks the rules on here because you don't expect them to know better since they didn't bother to check? You say that it doesn't excuse them from not following the rules but you seem to be excusing the drink guy. Again, I could be wrong, but to me this screams of a guy raising a fuss over something stupid like not getting a free refill that he's come to expect and that fuss he made causing the officer to actually charge him with the crime. The fact that the charges are federal and the fine is so high means nothing when it comes to the facts of the story. You can't blame the officer for either of those since a VA hospital is federal property and the fine is set. There are numerous times I deal with someone breaking the rules and completely expect "I'm sorry I didn't know it was against the rules", hell that is more than half the responses I get back from people even after multiple times of telling them stuff. That does not mean I let them off the hook, it just means I understand that people don't bother doing the simplest things at times or get used to doing something a certain way and find it hard change. That is why I say I understand why this guy did what he did. I can think of no place I have ever been that charges for refills or anything but makes it available to get without immediate payment as it sounds in this instance and that caused him to act as he would in every other instance, including several at this spot before with no issue. He is in the wrong but I understand why he did what he did. The rest of it mean nothing quite frankly because no one knows what actually happened during the arrest. It just looks bad because of how the laws are against this guy and that a story for somewhere else. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 17, 2014 23:20:19 GMT -5
If it was me, I'd go down epically, drinking refill after refill Stone Cold beer style until someone tazed me. All or nothing, baby.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 18, 2014 0:10:24 GMT -5
I'm an ex-bouncer/current store security and articles like this that are made to tug at your emotions and root for the little guy without knowing the full extent of what he actually did or real reason why he reprimanded just annoy me to no end. Sure, sometimes people in authority are abusive morons but just as often the person on the end of it was an absolute c**t and caused the situation by being so. I could fill this thread with stories but I won't derail it other than just saying that those making any judgement based on the information we've been given are being ignorant. That and the guy posting this is really not doing anything but inciting. So long as he's not off store property he's hasn't stolen shit. Whether it's a cup of Coke or a PS4. Dude can grab a PS4 and wander all over the parking lot, until he leaves the store property, he can always pay. I've actually had people pissed at me because I didn't care they technically stole. Customer very, very, very sheepish: I put these batteries in my pocket because I was gonna buy them. I did the rest of my shopping and forgot, when I got home I realized, so now I came back to pay for them. Me: Ok. Thanks. No problem. Very honest of you. *Beep* That's $4. Customer wicked annoyed: Here's a $5? He seemed pissed I didn't call the police. Batteries? Who gives a shit? |
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Apr 18, 2014 5:50:37 GMT -5
Wait, non-veterans get screwed over by VA Medical Centers too? Huh. Whoda thought?
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