Magnus the Magnificent
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Apr 18, 2014 15:31:25 GMT -5
Because there is only, One. Wrestling. GOD! Oh, sure. HHH is great and all, but did he ever wrestle Godzilla? Yeah, didn't think so...
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Apr 18, 2014 15:33:59 GMT -5
And do what? Break kayfabe and defend the writing staff? All of the criticisms as of late relating to Cena- as evident by this thread- are tied to things he more than likely cannot control. Otherwise, most fans seem to have realized outside of his booking, he is indeed a god. I get that Cena can't control a lot of what's going on in WWE, but you think that he's a smart enough guy to use his pull or stroke or influence or whatever you want to call it to shut something down that is stupid, like his crappy promo from this past Monday. Maybe he can't book long-term, that he doesn't have the mindset for it, but the guy should know well enough in the short-term, day to day and week to week, that his character needs some sort of tweaking so that his feuds actually have some sort of meaning or purpose as a part of a larger television and wrestling narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 15:40:27 GMT -5
And do what? Break kayfabe and defend the writing staff? All of the criticisms as of late relating to Cena- as evident by this thread- are tied to things he more than likely cannot control. Otherwise, most fans seem to have realized outside of his booking, he is indeed a god. If he can get the Summerslam finish changed, he can go to Vince and say "this segment is stupid and is going to benefit no one."
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Post by mrjl on Apr 18, 2014 16:28:06 GMT -5
And do what? Break kayfabe and defend the writing staff? All of the criticisms as of late relating to Cena- as evident by this thread- are tied to things he more than likely cannot control. Otherwise, most fans seem to have realized outside of his booking, he is indeed a god. I get that Cena can't control a lot of what's going on in WWE, but you think that he's a smart enough guy to use his pull or stroke or influence or whatever you want to call it to shut something down that is stupid, like his crappy promo from this past Monday. Maybe he can't book long-term, that he doesn't have the mindset for it, but the guy should know well enough in the short-term, day to day and week to week, that his character needs some sort of tweaking so that his feuds actually have some sort of meaning or purpose as a part of a larger television and wrestling narrative. maybe Cena has a goofball sense of humor and encourages the stuff most net fans dislike But if Cena did go off on the net I imagine it'd be something like "Now maybe I've got some issues. Maybe I have mood swings that some of you all don't get." as a reference to his booking that some have called bipolar. "But at least I'm not delusional. I'm not the greatest technical wrestler in the world and I don't claim to be, but I've got more to me than some of you people are willing to admit." and then show a list of the moves he uses on the Titantron.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 16:53:32 GMT -5
In the swerviest of swerves, Cena takes out Clash with a chair and joins the IWC. Knowing how many Cena threads he has made, Clash will still try to defend him no matter what .
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Apr 18, 2014 17:09:35 GMT -5
Cena will reveal that he's been here the whole time.
He was WarriorThug4Cena from the very beginning.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 18, 2014 17:10:23 GMT -5
I get that Cena can't control a lot of what's going on in WWE, but you think that he's a smart enough guy to use his pull or stroke or influence or whatever you want to call it to shut something down that is stupid, like his crappy promo from this past Monday. Maybe he can't book long-term, that he doesn't have the mindset for it, but the guy should know well enough in the short-term, day to day and week to week, that his character needs some sort of tweaking so that his feuds actually have some sort of meaning or purpose as a part of a larger television and wrestling narrative. maybe Cena has a goofball sense of humor and encourages the stuff most net fans dislike But if Cena did go off on the net I imagine it'd be something like "Now maybe I've got some issues. Maybe I have mood swings that some of you all don't get." as a reference to his booking that some have called bipolar. "But at least I'm not delusional. I'm not the greatest technical wrestler in the world and I don't claim to be, but I've got more to me than some of you people are willing to admit." and then show a list of the moves he uses on the Titantron. I think at this point, even the most jaded fan would admit that Cena's a hell of a performer. If he needs to address anything, it's all the loopholes in his reactions to things. That is what he'd need to justify or defend. But that would never happen. Because there is no such thing as the true John Cena "character", because it changes month to month to suit the shoe-horned creative direction of the moment. As for him encouraging goofball humor that some dislike --- that's not good business. It's alienating rather than unifying. If WWE is going to present him as the uber babyface, they need to tweak or remove the things that would make him hated. I mean, there's been plenty of times wherein the fans have suddenly sided with John because the booking was logical and he was sympathetic -- things like the Nexus membership and Lesnar nearly killing him. Only to then, after that moment of unity, remember why they hate him all over again when he cuts one of his lame joke promos or smiles through ramifications that just one week before were life-altering to him.
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Post by Just call me D.j.m. on Apr 18, 2014 17:13:37 GMT -5
Cena will reveal that he's been here the whole time. He was WarriorThug4Cena from the very beginning. SINCE DAY ONE! Couldn't help it. Personally, I think John Cena is always going to be whatever the writers need him to be at any given moment and nothing will change. Cena threads are more played out than John Cena himself is.
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Apr 18, 2014 17:20:53 GMT -5
Oh, sure. HHH is great and all, but did he ever wrestle Godzilla? Yeah, didn't think so... Well Godzilla's been busy filming his latest movie & hunting down Matthew Broderick.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 17:27:57 GMT -5
Oh, sure. HHH is great and all, but did he ever wrestle Godzilla? Yeah, didn't think so... Well Godzilla's been busy filming his latest movie & hunting down Matthew Broderick. Plus all of this stuff: Dude stays busy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 17:52:14 GMT -5
John Cena vs. the IWC will be the shortest movie ever due to the lack of exes for him to battle.
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Post by mrjl on Apr 18, 2014 17:57:31 GMT -5
maybe Cena has a goofball sense of humor and encourages the stuff most net fans dislike But if Cena did go off on the net I imagine it'd be something like "Now maybe I've got some issues. Maybe I have mood swings that some of you all don't get." as a reference to his booking that some have called bipolar. "But at least I'm not delusional. I'm not the greatest technical wrestler in the world and I don't claim to be, but I've got more to me than some of you people are willing to admit." and then show a list of the moves he uses on the Titantron. I think at this point, even the most jaded fan would admit that Cena's a hell of a performer. If he needs to address anything, it's all the loopholes in his reactions to things. That is what he'd need to justify or defend. But that would never happen. Because there is no such thing as the true John Cena "character", because it changes month to month to suit the shoe-horned creative direction of the moment. officialfan.proboards.com/thread/497362/why-fans-on-kids-womenin this thread there's several reference to people dealing with fans who say Cena can't work.
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Post by hossfan on Apr 18, 2014 18:15:25 GMT -5
Well Godzilla's been busy filming his latest movie & hunting down Matthew Broderick. Plus all of this stuff: Dude stays busy. Busy my foot. The "King of the Monsters" is ducking the "King of Kings."
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Apr 18, 2014 20:38:23 GMT -5
I think at this point, even the most jaded fan would admit that Cena's a hell of a performer. If he needs to address anything, it's all the loopholes in his reactions to things. That is what he'd need to justify or defend. But that would never happen. Because there is no such thing as the true John Cena "character", because it changes month to month to suit the shoe-horned creative direction of the moment. officialfan.proboards.com/thread/497362/why-fans-on-kids-womenin this thread there's several reference to people dealing with fans who say Cena can't work. That's amazing to me that anyone would think that in today's day and age. There's a lot you could criticize Cena's character on, but after this many years of great matches, his in ring work isn't one of them.
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Post by Piccolo on Apr 18, 2014 21:00:03 GMT -5
No, ratetankmark, I don't think he'll call you out. Cena probably recognizes that the internet is a medium, not a monolith.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Apr 18, 2014 22:19:18 GMT -5
at this point it'd just come off as whiny sour grapes. sarcastic trolling gets the job done a lot better.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Apr 18, 2014 23:12:18 GMT -5
That's amazing to me that anyone would think that in today's day and age. There's a lot you could criticize Cena's character on, but after this many years of great matches, his in ring work isn't one of them. Well, I still have issues with Cena's selling, but whether or not one wants to call that a part of his 'in ring work' is up for debate!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 23:27:19 GMT -5
That's amazing to me that anyone would think that in today's day and age. There's a lot you could criticize Cena's character on, but after this many years of great matches, his in ring work isn't one of them. Well, I still have issues with Cena's selling, but whether or not one wants to call that a part of his 'in ring work' is up for debate! I think Cena can sell very well, he just tends to completely stop doing so eventually and go full-on Superman. Which brings the problem back around to his booking.
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Post by Mista T on Apr 19, 2014 0:50:52 GMT -5
not directly, he will just smile like the smug ass his character is
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Post by abjordans on Apr 19, 2014 2:06:05 GMT -5
Enjoyment is subjective. However if someone's viewpoint is that Cena is an inconsistent character whose promo material often goes against basic storytelling logic, they'd be correct, because it's been backed up with evidence time and time again. It's really not exclusively a children's show, but even if it was that doesn't mean that it therefore requires no consistency and internal logic. "It's just a show" is no excuse for shitty writing. "It's just a show" is a cue to not take it seriously. Entertainment is subjective. Outside of Mrjl, I haven't seen anybody try to argue that pro wrestling is logical and able to be backed using facts. But it's just as as easy to prove with demographics and ads during commercials who their audience is and it's plain to see that the "highbrow" demographic doesn't tune into see guys in their undies settle scores in front of 36 year old man children in NWO shirts and a classic WWF title over their shoulder. At its core, wrestling originated as a carny act. At the end of the day, it's about getting people to buy into the illusion that what they're watching play out is real. And for those that know it isn't, good for them. Hopefully it's fun. But I can tell the people who are displeased 80% of the time who spend a great portion of time posting on internet message boards with short "add-nothing" comments such as "awful. They usually are." Those people are in the great great great vocal minority. Take the "Cena isn't written logically" argument to a typical WWE fan and they'll smile politely, maybe giggle and ask which Ultimate Warrior died last week, the first one or second one. They'll probably also ask if you go to 411Mania, too. I hear Sting might challenge Undertaker at next year's Wrestlemania. It's wrestling. It's fun. If the Coen brothers start a promotion, link me to it..I'll sit front row. What is wrong with 411Mania?!?
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