The JBL "shower" story

[mrbananagrabber]

I've read a few comments on here, the last being in the Miz backstage video thread, about JBL raping people in the showers.

Is there any actual documentation of this? What started those rumours?

[Essential1]

Duke Droese.

[Kayfabe FAN don't want none]

Not exactly rape but:
Www.ign.com/articles/2004/11/11/edge-interview-2

IGN Sports: What does Bradshaw think about the part where he's soaping your ass in the shower?

Edge: Like I said in the book, no knuckles disappeared. It was simply a gentle caress. [laughs] I actually haven't seen him or talked to him since the book has been out. He doesn't even know it's in there until he reads it, so it should be pretty interesting to see his reaction. I think he'll get a kick out of it. He loves doing stuff like that. It's like his way of weeding out the prima donnas to see who is going to be a cool kid and who is going to have an attitude. I just laughed along with it and joked around with him. It was one of those things where I knew I was starting to belong. If they were willing to have fun with me like that, then I knew they must like me, so I just kept doing what I was doing.

[Sephiroth]

So far as I know, he did not actually "rape" anyone. But he did leave someone hog tied with a ball gag in their mouth.

[carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army)]

Apr 18, 2014 19:16:33 GMT -5 Kayfabe FAN don't want none said:

Not exactly rape but:
Www.ign.com/articles/2004/11/11/edge-interview-2

IGN Sports: What does Bradshaw think about the part where he's soaping your ass in the shower?

Edge: Like I said in the book, no knuckles disappeared. It was simply a gentle caress. [laughs] I actually haven't seen him or talked to him since the book has been out. He doesn't even know it's in there until he reads it, so it should be pretty interesting to see his reaction. I think he'll get a kick out of it. He loves doing stuff like that. It's like his way of weeding out the prima donnas to see who is going to be a cool kid and who is going to have an attitude. I just laughed along with it and joked around with him. It was one of those things where I knew I was starting to belong. If they were willing to have fun with me like that, then I knew they must like me, so I just kept doing what I was doing.

Jesus christ, that's terrifying. "If you don't put up with my sexual harassment, you're a prima donna!"

[Cry Me a Wiggle]

You're squealing like a piggie. I LOVE IT, MAGGLE.

[FinalGwen]

Another sign of how profoundly messed up the wrestling world is that this was considered acceptable. Have to wonder if those days are over or if this thing still happens under the radar.

[frogsplash45]

Well, it's not technically harassment until somebody feels harassed.

Yeah, you can probably make a fair assumption from this story that bad similar stuff happens in the industry, but this particular anecdote can't technically be deemed sexual harassment if nobody's claiming to be a victim. You can't put your own feelings into the scenario, no matter how messed up it may seem.

[Bub (BLM)]

Apr 18, 2014 19:34:17 GMT -5 FinalGwen said:

Another sign of how profoundly messed up the wrestling world is that this was considered acceptable. Have to wonder if those days are over or if this thing still happens under the radar.

Bill DeMott will ensure that it keeps happening.

Funny story, RVD was once asked if JBL pulled any shower stuff with him in an interview. RVD responded by saying "Nope. He knew I'd kick his ass.".

[carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army)]

Apr 18, 2014 19:45:07 GMT -5 frogsplash45 said:

Well, it's not technically harassment until somebody feels harassed.

...that's not really true. If Edge didn't want JBL to do that, it was unwanted contact. You might make a case that it's acceptable because Edge wasn't bothered, but the problem there is assuming that Edge was okay with the act itself... as in, if Bradshaw hadn't been his superior at a company Edge wanted to keep working at, and if the culture wasn't ACT OKAY WITH IT OR WE'LL JUST DO IT YOU MORE, PANSY.

[Brother Nero....Wolfe]

Apr 18, 2014 19:45:07 GMT -5 frogsplash45 said:

Well, it's not technically harassment until somebody feels harassed.

Yeah, you can probably make a fair assumption from this story that bad similar stuff happens in the industry, but this particular anecdote can't technically be deemed sexual harassment if nobody's claiming to be a victim. You can't put your own feelings into the scenario, no matter how messed up it may seem.

Thing is, things like this are usually considered sexual harassment because if you consider it a "It's only harassment if someone feels like a victim" and have a "Also if you feel like a victim there will be negative consequences for you" like the prima donna comment suggests, then even if someone feels like a victim they'd be inclined to keep their mouths shut out of fear for their career. Like I get your point, but there's some dangerous logic in "nothing wrong if nobody is claiming to be a victim" when there's consequences for claiming to be a victim.

[Reflecto]

Apr 18, 2014 19:16:49 GMT -5 Sephiroth said:

So far as I know, he did not actually "rape" anyone. But he did leave someone hog tied with a ball gag in their mouth.

For what it's worth as well: The story also claimed when JBL DID go that far on someone, the victim was a person who the wrestlers knew was using GHB on women himself.

[Chip]

I think he may be talking about JBL sticking hotdogs up Brian Christophers ass?

[TWERKIN' MAGGLE]

Didn't JBL or Finlay leave Khali crying in a shower or something?

[Some Guy]

Apr 18, 2014 20:08:21 GMT -5 Reflecto said:

Apr 18, 2014 19:16:49 GMT -5 Sephiroth said:

So far as I know, he did not actually "rape" anyone. But he did leave someone hog tied with a ball gag in their mouth.

For what it's worth as well: The story also claimed when JBL DID go that far on someone, the victim was a person who the wrestlers knew was using GHB on women himself.

That was Droese.

[frogsplash45]

Apr 18, 2014 20:05:48 GMT -5 carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) said:

Apr 18, 2014 19:45:07 GMT -5 frogsplash45 said:

Well, it's not technically harassment until somebody feels harassed.

...that's not really true. If Edge didn't want JBL to do that, it was unwanted contact. You might make a case that it's acceptable because Edge wasn't bothered, but the problem there is assuming that Edge was okay with the act itself... as in, if Bradshaw hadn't been his superior at a company Edge wanted to keep working at, and if the culture wasn't ACT OKAY WITH IT OR WE'LL JUST DO IT YOU MORE, PANSY.

The problem lies in the fact that we all define our own boundaries.


Trying to hold hands with or hug somebody can be considered harassment depending on what the person on the receiving end has to say about it.

[carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army)]

Apr 18, 2014 20:39:36 GMT -5 frogsplash45 said:

Apr 18, 2014 20:05:48 GMT -5 carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) said:

...that's not really true. If Edge didn't want JBL to do that, it was unwanted contact. You might make a case that it's acceptable because Edge wasn't bothered, but the problem there is assuming that Edge was okay with the act itself... as in, if Bradshaw hadn't been his superior at a company Edge wanted to keep working at, and if the culture wasn't ACT OKAY WITH IT OR WE'LL JUST DO IT YOU MORE, PANSY.

The problem lies in the fact that we all define our own boundaries.


Trying to hold hands with or hug somebody can be considered harassment depending on what the person on the receiving end has to say about it.

No, because you're (presumably) not hugging the person's butt, crotch, or breasts. It's obnoxious behavior, and it's not acceptable if the person's not okay with it, but there's nothing overtly sexual about it, so it's not sexual harassment.


Convincing someone that what you're doing to them isn't harassment doesn't make it okay. There's a difference between wanting something to happen and not flipping your top about it once it does happen.

[mo]

Bet he wouldn't have tried that with Joey Styles

[Some Guy]

Apr 18, 2014 20:47:48 GMT -5 carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) said:

Apr 18, 2014 20:39:36 GMT -5 frogsplash45 said:

The problem lies in the fact that we all define our own boundaries.


Trying to hold hands with or hug somebody can be considered harassment depending on what the person on the receiving end has to say about it.

No, because you're (presumably) not hugging the person's butt, crotch, or breasts. It's obnoxious behavior, and it's not acceptable if the person's not okay with it, but there's nothing overtly sexual about it, so it's not sexual harassment.


Convincing someone that what you're doing to them isn't harassment doesn't make it okay. There's a difference between wanting something to happen and not flipping your top about it once it does happen.

That's definitely sexual harassment.

[frogsplash45]

Apr 18, 2014 20:47:48 GMT -5 carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) said:

Apr 18, 2014 20:39:36 GMT -5 frogsplash45 said:

The problem lies in the fact that we all define our own boundaries.


Trying to hold hands with or hug somebody can be considered harassment depending on what the person on the receiving end has to say about it.

No, because you're (presumably) not hugging the person's butt, crotch, or breasts. It's obnoxious behavior, and it's not acceptable if the person's not okay with it, but there's nothing overtly sexual about it, so it's not sexual harassment.


Convincing someone that what you're doing to them isn't harassment doesn't make it okay. There's a difference between wanting something to happen and not flipping your top about it once it does happen.

You don't get what I'm saying. We all draw our lines, and we all define what places or actions might be construed as sexual. A tight hug or a foot rub could mean nothing... or they could mean something. Nobody has a right to declare a set of intrinsic parameters for everybody. Ultimately, a victim can only be a victim if that person feels impacted by it. Even if it involves touching a butt.