I actually like the term "Cardinal Way" because that's how they've gone about their business since the 1930s. Lose a player? No problem, we got two or three guys just like him in the minors that can take his place.
Although Rickey was shrewd with selling his minor-league talent. You, as a GM (or a scout), go in looking for an interim shortstop. He'd sway you away from paying $5,000 for a shortstop you actually want, to sell you a third baseman you do NOT NEED, and end up paying too much for in the process. That is a slick salesman right there.
I don't mind it myself, it's just that fans of other teams think it comes off badly because their minds don't connect the term to work ethic and instead hear it as "we're morally superior", which isn't the case.
Small-market teams like Tampa Bay, Milwaukee & Houston understand. If the large-market teams don't like it, too bad.
My cousin lives in Hawaii and doesn't have a local professional sports team. When asked about her favorite baseball team, she said the Yankees. We asked why. She basically said they're America's team and we're supposed to like them.
Post by Amazing Kitsune on Apr 24, 2014 10:09:02 GMT -5
Because Sherman's campaign was a reprehensible war crime of the worst degree and he hardly gets any crit--
Oh, the New York Yankees...
People don't like teams that are really, really good(Or just have a really good legacy, depending on the season) because excellence offends people. Nobody likes any person or team who does too well because it seems like they're on a high horse.
Its the fact that not only are they great, but they have the money from winning to buy players.
As the Yankees win, they gain more fans, more publicity, larger sponsor's and a but load more money.
So lets say that the Angels are the worst team. One year they draft 3 new players, who develop into real talents. The Angels fans start to get excited as their team is no longer an easy beat. The fans and club even start to dream about a world series title.
Then along comes the Yankees. They flash a load of cash at the 3 players and away they go. The Angels go right back to being easy beats. Of course the fans are going to hate the Yankees.
That's just a generic example but it is true that if not for buying players, NY would have won a lot less than 27 WS titles.
Yeah, they would've had 20 WS titles instead, at least. Those are all the WS wins they had before George Steinbrenner bought the team in the 70's and well before the days of free agency being what it is now.
I can understand the Yankee hate, especially with how obnoxious the generic Yankee fan can be about "27 rings" when they've probably only been alive for like, five of them. But I always feel justified in being a Yankee fan when ignorant fans of other teams whine about them. Especially the whole "buying championships" thing when I'd really say that applied to about two or three of their WS wins (1977, 1978, 2009). And it's not like they're the only ones who've tried that. The Angels in your own example have tried by giving MASSIVE contracts to guys like Pujols and Josh Hamilton only to have it blown up in their faces.
Embrace your hatred.
Also lol @ the pine tar guy. Everyone uses pine tar. Pineda was just stupid enough to be blatantly obvious about it.
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Their fans can be some of the most unsufferable know-it-alls in sports. Watch the movie "For Love of the Game". Pretty much sums up every god awful annoying Yankee fan sterotype.
Edit: There's a few other fan bases that are similar in many ways. Certain fan bases I won't mention think the fact that they fill their stands the majority of nights and have a "way" of doing things makes them the greatest most knowledgeable fans in creation. Not all of them think this way but more than enough to make others laugh at their failures.
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The amount of national coverage New York teams get even when they suck is ridiculous. Not the Yanks, but here's an example, the whole Jeremy Lin "Linsanity" crap never would have happened if he was putting up the same performances and numbers in Milwaukee or Sacramento. It was just a product of the bullshit hype machine that is NY sports.
Hype machine? It's New York. It's only the biggest media market in the United States. It just so happens that ESPN headquarters is within striking distance of New York (Albeit it's employee base seems to be overrun with Boston sports fans, but that's neither here nor there.) . Hence, with the big city atmosphere, comes the money and the hype, and everything else that comes with it, negative and positive.
Folks tend hate the Yankees because a lot of the fanbase are spoiled (As touched on previously.), their overwhelming success of their past, and the fact that their big-spending philosophy is in direct opposition with the mentality of a lot of teams, chiefly the blue-collar, small-market underdogs like the Boston Red Sox.
Finally, nothing ever interesting happens in NorCal that's worthy of news anyway, save for drunken linebackers calling in bomb threats or the nothing-happening team moving shop to the Pacific Northwest. ;D
When the Giants won their two World Series titles in 2010 and 2012 the national coverage was severely lacking. I despise the Yankees for all those reasons you listed above too, but to you have to agree that New York teams get way too much undeserved national coverage at times much like the Dallas Cowboys.
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Post by Darth Onyx on Apr 24, 2014 11:17:48 GMT -5
The "national media" is ESPN so they really only care about New York, Boston, Chicago, and Los Angeles. Other sports, it's on a case-by-case basis. Like you see more coverage about Denver and San Francisco when it comes to football because they generate the most national interest. Same with OKC, Indiana (this year), and (insert city Lebron James is in) for basketball.
It's not like they snub the smaller cities because of some grudge. It's because more people care about New York and Los Angeles than they do about Sacramento and Milwaukee. And ESPN's going to go where the ratings are. They're not going to cover cities that don't matter to the same degree as the big three or teams with hot stars.
Post by HMARK Center on Apr 24, 2014 11:41:17 GMT -5
As a lifelong Mets fan who comes from a family that has a National League cheering heritage on both sides (Dad's family used to be split between the Giants and Dodgers, pre-1957), I could write you an entire book about why I can't tolerate the Yankees.
Historically speaking: even in the era before free agency, the Yankees were renown for buying their titles. Ever wonder how the Yankees seemed so "lucky" to get talents like Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, et. al.? Simple: they had the money to send scouts out to see them, and the money to sign them up at a better price than anybody else was capable of offering. Hell, for YEARS the Yankees actually used another Major League team, in this case Kansas City, as an unofficial farm team, and the league was perfectly alright with it.
More recently speaking: George Steinbrenner was an awful, awful human being. A criminal, a lunatic, and frankly the Yankees were insanely lucky he was banned when he was. If he hadn't been, Stick Michael wouldn't have taken over the team, and Steinbrenner likely would've traded away guys like Bernie Williams, Andy Petitte, and yes, maybe even Derek Jeter. When Steinbrenner came back, he got all the glory (and now the biggest monument in Monument Park), and used his financial muscle to do what most clubs can't: resign and keep all his core home-grown players, and keep the payroll well above $200 million on a yearly basis.
Personally speaking: I was born in 1985, during the only time in the Mets' history that they had something resembling a dynasty. The Mets were the tri-state area's team at that point, and frankly they were for most of their existence, even when they weren't very good. There's a good reason for that: ever since the very old days, and despite all the Yankees' success, New York had almost always been a National League town. Yet I came of age during the 90's Yankees dynasty and their insane 2000's spending years, and now this whole area is covered in pinstripes, and it's infuriating. I had to grow up getting made fun of every day that I wore my blue and orange cap into school, was outright bullied for it, and I basically made as solemn a sports oath as I could that I would never, ever willingly cheer on the Yankees...outside of 2009, when I chose them as the lesser of two evils against the Phillies.
Hell, you'd think I'd hate the Yankees just based on the 2000 World Series, but actually...
Philosophically speaking: Again, as a Mets fan, I love remembering the few playoff runs I've seen my team have since I was old enough to comprehend what was going on. I loved the 1999 Mets team, had a blast with the 2000 National League pennant team, and I still feel the cut in my heart when I remember Yadier-@#$%ing-Molina's game 7 homer against the Mets in the 2006 NLCS. Even if my team hasn't won a title since I was an infant, those still created memories that I cherish and love to relive when I can watch them. In hockey, I'm a Devils fan, and I've always loved how the Devils' championship years were largely built on a foundation of homegrown talent that played "Devils Hockey"; yeah, there were some big signings and trades, but the core was always guys who were brought up as Devils and adhered to the Devils' philosophy.
I can't comprehend cheering the Yankees, though, since I've never felt there's a "Yankees way", and since huge swaths of the fanbase have a "World Series or Bust!" mentality every single year. That's something you'll hear every year on NYC sports radio concerning the Yankees: "Anything less than a championship is a failure."
I mean, I get that from the team, or from a club's front office: of COURSE you want your team to always be hungry for a title, and to never be satisfied until they win one (or more).
But as a fan?
I want to cherish memories of years where the team comes up short. I want to remember Todd Pratt's NLDS winning homer and Robin Ventura's Grand Slam Single for the Mets in 1999; I want to remember Endy Chavez's catch in 2006; I want to remember the Devils beating the Rangers in overtime of Game Six of the Eastern Conference Finals in 2012 ("THEY SCORE! HENRIQUE!! IT'S OVER!!!"); I want to remember the Giants beating the Vikings 41-0 in the 2001 NFC title game; I want to appreciate watching a team I love go through some struggles, rebuild, and put together a team I can watch "grow up" into a contender.
Unfortunately, the stereotype of Yankees fans around here is that they're not willing to go along with that. I know that's definitely not true of all Yankees fans, as I know a number of them; but it's the overall atmosphere and the way the organization presents itself. It's too depressing, and ultimately less fulfilling, at least for me.
...I need to stop now, because I have a 30 page research paper to write, but I could wind up just writing 30 pages about why I cheer the Mets instead of the Yankees.
Seriously though, what radradsley said. Pretty much the same deals as with Manchester United in England.
But Manchester United aren't the most successful team in England! I think success is a factor but I think it's more about the way that success is achieved. Man Utd are disliked for a few reasons, not least the behaviour of Ferguson, yet the dominant United side of the 60s was liked because Matt Busby was a decent guy. Same can be said for Chelsea being disliked due to the way the owners have treated some of their Managers, the antics of their Captain and the general twattery of Mourinho. When Liverpool were dominant, some people weren't keen on Bill Shankly, yet everyone loved Bob Paisley and as such, the team wasn't as disliked as others who dominated.