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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Apr 26, 2014 20:54:48 GMT -5
This type of cheap pop is why I stay away from comic books, mostly. I like to pick up a few completed stories every once in a while, but stuff like this makes it hard to stay invested in the general continuity. The "no real ending" thing is what makes stuff like this happen, I suppose. I know this is probably a bad idea, but personally I kind of wish they rebooted everything every X years and were open about doing so from the get go. Then we could have beginning-middle-and-end stories and have characters stay dead for at least that continuity. Then again they already kind of do that, it's just...not really explaining my point well here, but what I mean is that I kind of wish they did something like the DC animated universe(the one that ended with Batman Beyond). Like go through everything, all the way to the end, then...end. Then start the story of another universe. This is probably something only I would enjoy, but hey. They only do this now for the headlines for the casual fans/people who know the characters via films, shows, cartoons, and games, but not the actual comics. For us hardened comic readers, we see this and go, "Oh he'll be back.....", for the casual fans/non-readers, they see this and go, "Whoa, they are killing Wolverine?" and then they hope the latter will grab the issues to see it happen. Honestly, I don't think even casual fans buy it. Everyone more or less knows by now that this kind of thing doesn't last. I mean my usual nerd territory only encompasses TV and books, but even I know this won't last because of nerd-osmosis. |
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Post by The Tim Duncan Experience on Apr 26, 2014 21:03:17 GMT -5
I've been "out" of comics for a long time and ATM all I read is the Hawkeye Series (with a little Avengers thrown in) When did they KILL Sabertooth? I think it was 3 or 4 years ago.  This sword prevents the healing factor from working. ----- *He recently came back in the comics but iot's probably a clone, not the real one. That's the sword that he fought for against Virgil in his ending in UMVC 3 right? The Muramasa Sword? |
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 26, 2014 21:07:11 GMT -5
Truth be told I don't even see a point in reading comic books these days too much BS
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 26, 2014 23:22:48 GMT -5
The dumbest thing is, this mythical 'casual' fan they're trying to attract doesn't exist. Bingo. I've asked the guy who runs my local comic shop if he ever has people come in and ask for books after a big movie has come out. He told me once he had a girl come in and ask where to start and get into Thor, and that was it. He said every time a new movie comes out, he just gets people who are already fans of comics maybe checking out a character they weren't already reading due to the film. No real "casuals", though. Comics are a niche audience, and Marvel/DC are incredibly ignorant if they think they can reach people beyond that demographic with their books. |
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 26, 2014 23:43:35 GMT -5
Which is their own fault really. Since the speculator boom of the early nineties, they've become nothing but more insular and self-referential with their storytelling.
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Post by Manute Bol on Apr 27, 2014 1:18:28 GMT -5
How long would I realistically have to wait for Marvel to put out a book collecting these 4 issues?
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Post by Big DSR Energy on Apr 27, 2014 1:28:30 GMT -5
Which is their own fault really. Since the speculator boom of the early nineties, they've become nothing but more insular and self-referential with their storytelling. I liked the self-contained "Marvel Adventures" line of comics, but they don't make those anymore. Also, it's really difficult to find comic books outside of comic book stores (online or brick-and-mortar). Grocery stores and convenience stores used to sell them, now all I see is rap magazines. |
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 27, 2014 2:03:56 GMT -5
Which is their own fault really. Since the speculator boom of the early nineties, they've become nothing but more insular and self-referential with their storytelling. I liked the self-contained "Marvel Adventures" line of comics, but they don't make those anymore. Also, it's really difficult to find comic books outside of comic book stores (online or brick-and-mortar). Grocery stores and convenience stores used to sell them, now all I see is rap magazines. Go to target and check out the kids magazine section. You can find some of the major marvel or DC stuff there. Maybe. |
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Post by camsamurai06 on Apr 27, 2014 6:13:23 GMT -5
UK magazine stores also collect some of the monthly Marvel/DC comics in bundles and release them in omnibus magazines.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Apr 27, 2014 6:20:15 GMT -5
Which is their own fault really. Since the speculator boom of the early nineties, they've become nothing but more insular and self-referential with their storytelling. Everyone thinks they can recreate the success of The Death of Superman. They completely forget that when it was announced, it caught everyone off guard. Now it's common practice, and doesn't catch people off guard. It's just another "ho-hum" ploy to try to get more readers. |
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Post by wildojinx on Apr 27, 2014 8:06:15 GMT -5
This is why i mainly stick to collecting comics from the 1970-93 timeframe (though i do pick up the newer title occasionally just to see whats going on).
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Post by Lupin the Third on Apr 27, 2014 9:10:33 GMT -5
Yes it is a shame to see him pass on and never come back like Superman, Jean Grey/Madelyne Pryor, Hawkeye, Aquaman, The Human Torch, Jason Todd, Blackbolt, Anti-Monitor, Mockingbird, Donna Troy, Thor, Moon Knight, The Spoiler, Wonder Man, The Green Goblin, Dr. Doom, Hal Jordan, Namorita, Iron Man, Swamp Thing, Colossus, J'onn J'onzz, Iron Fist, Bat Man, Wonder Woman, Aunt May, the Vision, Spider Man, Captain America… And so on.  And this is her second resurrection. Well, to be fair, the first time in ENDGAME, she really didn't die. She ALMOST died, but Dr. Quack was able to put her in a healing chamber and made everyone think that she did die. Unless you're talking about the two situations right before the Genesis reboot button was pushed. In that case, STOP PUSHING THAT DAMN BUTTON!!!!!! |
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Apr 27, 2014 9:52:02 GMT -5
There is plenty of amazing stuff in comics, silly publicity stunts don't change that.
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Post by camsamurai06 on Apr 27, 2014 9:55:17 GMT -5
We know, we just despair that the big two companies promote increadingly LESS amazing stuff these days in favour of publicity stunts when we know they are still capable of that.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 27, 2014 10:07:27 GMT -5
Most of the amazing stuff is at other companies/imprints&in completely different genres though.
At least in my view. Then again, I've been reading for over thirty years, and have seen every possible permutation of superhero/universe threatening thing and thus they don't really do anything for me anymore for the most part.
It could just be I got old.
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Post by camsamurai06 on Apr 27, 2014 10:51:51 GMT -5
..Heh heh, I made reference to the talk about the casual fan to Dan Slott on Facebook and he P.M'ed a tangent to me, here's our exchange
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Post by CMWaters on Apr 27, 2014 10:56:56 GMT -5
Someone I used to know would say they should keep Logan dead and just have X-23 be the new Wolverine. I don't see his death lasting either. And this is her second resurrection. Well, to be fair, the first time in ENDGAME, she really didn't die. She ALMOST died, but Dr. Quack was able to put her in a healing chamber and made everyone think that she did die. Unless you're talking about the two situations right before the Genesis reboot button was pushed. In that case, STOP PUSHING THAT DAMN BUTTON!!!!!! ...but from what I saw, wasn't she just in robot mode before the second Genesis Wave, and about to be restored? |
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Post by RI Richmark on Apr 27, 2014 11:24:19 GMT -5
I think it was 3 or 4 years ago. This sword prevents the healing factor from working. ----- *He recently came back in the comics but iot's probably a clone, not the real one. That's the sword that he fought for against Virgil in his ending in UMVC 3 right? The Muramasa Sword? Wait! Wolverine fought the Wrestling Superstar? When did this happen? |
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Post by Manute Bol on Apr 27, 2014 12:24:09 GMT -5
..Heh heh, I made reference to the talk about the casual fan to Dan Slott on Facebook and he P.M'ed a tangent to me, here's our exchange Slott My response Was it really necessary to speak to him like such a condescending prick? Did that make you feel good about yourself? |
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Apr 27, 2014 12:40:01 GMT -5
You want to mess with Wolverine? Why not work with what you got? Find a way to return all of his memories to him (if they haven't done so already). That way he is a human being who has lost damned near everyone he has ever loved in his long life and suffers from a certain lack of ability to progress in his life. He can't grow old with anyone. He can't form any relationships without the knowledge that he will have to watch the ones he comes to love grow old, weak and die. Instead of being the angry animal he has been, make him a tragic man who determines that he should have died 100 years ago and seeks a way to make it happen, Phil Connors-style. Have him test the limits of his healing factor. See if he can exhaust the ability in any way. See how you can have him interact with people who care for him but have no frame of reference of what he is going through. I believe they have done that. Ya, that's what the Wolverine Origins ongoing was about (or is, I stopped reading comics regularly around the time of Civil War/Infinite Crisis). It was Logan dealing with suddenly remembering everything how it's f***ed him up. EDIT: they just didn't take it to quite the extreme as above, but it was an interesting concept. How did it all turn out anyways? |
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