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Post by James Fabiano on May 21, 2014 13:22:24 GMT -5
Now if they said they encouraged them to participate in rape (of our childhoods), then they might have a case...
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Post by Cela on May 21, 2014 13:45:18 GMT -5
Would wish they'd investigate why Jaden makes that face in all his photos.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 21, 2014 14:10:27 GMT -5
Would wish they'd investigate why Jaden makes that face in all his photos. He's trying to figure out how to break it to his father that he doesn't want to be an actor.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 14:30:20 GMT -5
Eh I can kind of see why someone might think to investigate. It's a dude without a shirt on (whose lower body we can't see) in bed with an underage girl... Not saying that makes him a pedophile or there is anything explicitly wrong with the photo. But I can see why it would at least be looked into. They're not in bed, they're sitting on a bed. Big difference.
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Post by Legion on May 21, 2014 14:48:14 GMT -5
As someone who works for Children's Services, this sort of thing at least has to be explored, depending on the context.
If that picture was simply provided, then probably no exploration, but if that was provided with some junk rumour about them being together, then sure, it doesnt hurt to make a call and ask a question or two. I'm not talking a full blown assessment, but it never hurts to ask a question or two.
It's when you stop asking the questions that things slip by.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 21, 2014 15:34:11 GMT -5
Waste of time.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 16:29:08 GMT -5
Acting like covert pedophiles? What does that even mean?
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on May 21, 2014 16:47:46 GMT -5
Acting like covert pedophiles? What does that even mean? Ask to Catch a Predator they are good at finding them
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 21, 2014 17:23:16 GMT -5
And somewhere a criminal is getting away with it while this is being investigated.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 17:32:01 GMT -5
I don't see the problem with investigating it. If nothings wrong then nothing will come up. No one said "OMG there's some pedophilic stuff happening!! Take her away from them!!!!" The picture surfaced and an investigation as to what the context is came to be. Not that big a deal. Its not like the people investigating this would be stopping bank robberies or something. I agree with A Platypus Rave - NOT at least taking a closer look at it would be heavily frowned upon if something did come of it. If this ended up being something more malicious (not saying it is, but IF) and this photo was brushed off, then people would be flipping out as to why this photo didn't lead to an investigation.
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Post by The Ichi on May 21, 2014 17:59:14 GMT -5
The parents are saying nothing is wrong with the photo, which mean at least one of them was probably there (or even took it). I think benefit of the doubt is deserved.
I don't think people have a problem with it being looked into though, just the witch-hunt aspect of it.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 21, 2014 18:15:12 GMT -5
I don't see the problem with investigating it. If nothings wrong then nothing will come up. No one said "OMG there's some pedophilic stuff happening!! Take her away from them!!!!" The picture surfaced and an investigation as to what the context is came to be. Not that big a deal. Its not like the people investigating this would be stopping bank robberies or something. I agree with A Platypus Rave - NOT at least taking a closer look at it would be heavily frowned upon if something did come of it. If this ended up being something more malicious (not saying it is, but IF) and this photo was brushed off, then people would be flipping out as to why this photo didn't lead to an investigation. It's wasting time and resources that could and should be spent stopping actual abusers on something that is blatantly not worth pursuing. If there was something about it that looked questionable then yeah, it should be investigated but the "what if" argument here is pure paranoia. "What if?" isn't a legitimate reason to launch an investigation every time a picture of an adult and a kid being in the same room that shows not even a suggestion of sexual interaction shows up. If child services did that they would never stop any actual abuse.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 21, 2014 18:30:57 GMT -5
Would wish they'd investigate why Jaden makes that face in all his photos. He's trying to figure out how to break it to his father that he doesn't want to be an actor. After Earth should have been enough proof.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 18:41:50 GMT -5
I don't see the problem with investigating it. If nothings wrong then nothing will come up. No one said "OMG there's some pedophilic stuff happening!! Take her away from them!!!!" The picture surfaced and an investigation as to what the context is came to be. Not that big a deal. Its not like the people investigating this would be stopping bank robberies or something. I agree with A Platypus Rave - NOT at least taking a closer look at it would be heavily frowned upon if something did come of it. If this ended up being something more malicious (not saying it is, but IF) and this photo was brushed off, then people would be flipping out as to why this photo didn't lead to an investigation. It's wasting time and resources that could and should be spent stopping actual abusers on something that is blatantly not worth pursuing. If there was something about it that looked questionable then yeah, it should be investigated but the "what if" argument here is pure paranoia. "What if?" isn't a legitimate reason to launch an investigation every time a picture of an adult and a kid being in the same room that shows not even a suggestion of sexual interaction shows up. If child services did that they would never stop any actual abuse. You're also assuming they're putting a lot of manpower into investigating this. I mean, a 13 year old child laying in bed with a shirtless 20 year old non-family member. That's at least questionable. I don't have a daughter, but if I did I think I'd be glad if this was followed up on. If the parents say its on the up and up, then fine, but I don't see how a few phone calls is so bad? I don't know how much resources they're using, but I doubt they're pulling people off active cases or not investigating other leads just to take a look at this one. Its not like looking into this is letting hundreds of child abusers off the hook.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 21, 2014 18:59:15 GMT -5
If I hadn't been told otherwise, I would've assumed the 2 were within 2 years of each other in age
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 21, 2014 19:05:43 GMT -5
It's wasting time and resources that could and should be spent stopping actual abusers on something that is blatantly not worth pursuing. If there was something about it that looked questionable then yeah, it should be investigated but the "what if" argument here is pure paranoia. "What if?" isn't a legitimate reason to launch an investigation every time a picture of an adult and a kid being in the same room that shows not even a suggestion of sexual interaction shows up. If child services did that they would never stop any actual abuse. You're also assuming they're putting a lot of manpower into investigating this. I mean, a 13 year old child laying in bed with a shirtless 20 year old non-family member. That's at least questionable. I don't have a daughter, but if I did I think I'd be glad if this was followed up on. If the parents say its on the up and up, then fine, but I don't see how a few phone calls is so bad? I don't know how much resources they're using, but I doubt they're pulling people off active cases or not investigating other leads just to take a look at this one. Its not like looking into this is letting hundreds of child abusers off the hook. Well the people who have to look into this were presumably not paid to sit with their thumbs up their ass all day so yeah, there is manpower being wasted on this that could have been used on actual cases. And I really don't see what is supposed to be even questionable about the picture. Have we gone back to the 50s to have people declare semi-nudity to be automatically sexual? I just hate this society that glorifies paranoia, accuses first and uses common sense later, alerting the authorities over any minor thing. I'm sorry but if someone looks at this picture and thinks "hm, definitely looks suspicious to me", it's not the people on it who have a problem. It's getting to the point that you can't so much as look in the general direction of a stranger without a written consent form.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 19:14:28 GMT -5
You're also assuming they're putting a lot of manpower into investigating this. I mean, a 13 year old child laying in bed with a shirtless 20 year old non-family member. That's at least questionable. I don't have a daughter, but if I did I think I'd be glad if this was followed up on. If the parents say its on the up and up, then fine, but I don't see how a few phone calls is so bad? I don't know how much resources they're using, but I doubt they're pulling people off active cases or not investigating other leads just to take a look at this one. Its not like looking into this is letting hundreds of child abusers off the hook. Well the people who have to look into this were presumably not paid to sit with their thumbs up their ass all day so yeah, there is manpower being wasted on this that could have been used on actual cases. And I really don't see what is supposed to be even questionable about the picture. Have we gone back to the 50s to have people declare semi-nudity to be automatically sexual? I just hate this society that glorifies paranoia and accuses first and uses common sense later. I'm sorry but if someone looks at this picture and thinks "hm, definitely looks suspicious to me", it's not the people on it who have a problem. I'm not sure how the paranoia is being "glorified" in this case? I mean, I disagree about the suspicious nature of the picture. A semi-nude adult male laying (lying?) with an 13 year old child in bed isn't automatically a red flag, but it is enough to make me go, "Ok. This isn't necessarily a bad situation, but I do wonder what exactly the context of the picture was?" if I were in child services and saw it. No accusations were made. No charges were pressed. Ideally ONE phone call was made to correspond with the parents. That's like, what? 30 minutes - at most? I don't see how that's a waste of resources. What if the parents DIDN'T know about the picture? I mean, I see your point. Let's not waste manpower, but lets not be SO worried about wasting manpower that only ROCK SOLID evidence is worth following up on.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on May 21, 2014 19:59:07 GMT -5
If anything should be investigated, it's why their son is such an absent-minded moron and why Will hasn't made a watchable movie in about a decade. Men in Black III was just two years ago. Your point (half of it, anyway) is invalid.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on May 21, 2014 21:42:07 GMT -5
Would wish they'd investigate why Jaden makes that face in all his photos. Lack of oxygen to the brain
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Post by Cela on May 21, 2014 22:23:39 GMT -5
He's trying to figure out how to break it to his father that he doesn't want to be an actor. After Earth should have been enough proof. Everyone loved him in Karate Kid and Pursuit of Happyness. Everyone hated him in After Earth and Day the Earth Stood Still. The kid's 50/50.
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