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Post by boolz on May 27, 2014 0:22:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure in a panic the victims would be able to say for certain who pointed the guns. But the kid himself admits he brought them. To me that's plenty of a difference in each defendants roles to warrant a much stiffer penalty.
Then again these guys committed a home invasion styled robbery. Not one of them should have gotten anything less than the maximum sentence.
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Post by angryfan on May 27, 2014 0:34:54 GMT -5
I'm not sure in a panic the victims would be able to say for certain who pointed the guns. But the kid himself admits he brought them. To me that's plenty of a difference in each defendants roles to warrant a much stiffer penalty. Then again these guys committed a home invasion styled robbery. Not one of them should have gotten anything less than the maximum sentence. And there's the exigent circumstances. He brought guns to the party. Unloaded or not, that ups it from burglary of an occupied dwelling as the plead to offense (or whatever it is called in that jurisdiction) to the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. He can plea down the home invasion, but those extra circumstances will not just go away. Rob a bank with a cap gun and it's still "armed robbery". Now if he hadn't brought the guns, or no one admitted where they came from, he'd probably have his deal. But, he said he brought them so he gets the full weight.
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Post by King Ghidorah on May 27, 2014 1:19:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure in a panic the victims would be able to say for certain who pointed the guns. But the kid himself admits he brought them. To me that's plenty of a difference in each defendants roles to warrant a much stiffer penalty. Then again these guys committed a home invasion styled robbery. Not one of them should have gotten anything less than the maximum sentence. And there's the exigent circumstances. He brought guns to the party. Unloaded or not, that ups it from burglary of an occupied dwelling as the plead to offense (or whatever it is called in that jurisdiction) to the use of a firearm in the commission of a felony. He can plea down the home invasion, but those extra circumstances will not just go away. Rob a bank with a cap gun and it's still "armed robbery". Now if he hadn't brought the guns, or no one admitted where they came from, he'd probably have his deal. But, he said he brought them so he gets the full weight. His only crime was telling the truth.....and the home invasion of course
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Post by Capt Lunatic on May 27, 2014 3:52:44 GMT -5
I will agree with those saying his sentence reflects the fact he provided the guns.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 27, 2014 8:35:09 GMT -5
As someone who has had their house robbed before and knows how awful it is, I say screw him. He deserves it.
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Post by Crimson on May 27, 2014 9:20:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure in a panic the victims would be able to say for certain who pointed the guns. But the kid himself admits he brought them. To me that's plenty of a difference in each defendants roles to warrant a much stiffer penalty. Then again these guys committed a home invasion styled robbery. Not one of them should have gotten anything less than the maximum sentence. Alrighty, that explains it.
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Post by BRV on May 27, 2014 9:35:52 GMT -5
...which seems to contradict this:
I shed no tears for this punk. He and his friends broke into a home, brandished weapons, terrorized the people inside, made them feel as though they were going to die, and stole from them. He knew what he was getting himself into. Don't want to go to jail for a felony? Don't commit a felony. Simple as that.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 9:43:21 GMT -5
........yeah, I don't feel bad about this one. Not in the slightest.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 27, 2014 10:01:40 GMT -5
If we don't get additional information indicating why this one kid was singled out, then the judge is a piece of crap. Then there's the weirdness of still trying teens as adults.
The kids were assholes, they deserve punishment before the law, but barring some kind of justification there's no way this should stand. Just smacks more of the hard on we have, culturally, for criminal punishment.
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Post by Crimson on May 27, 2014 10:13:39 GMT -5
If we don't get additional information indicating why this one kid was singled out, then the judge is a piece of crap. The kid was the one wielding guns during the robbery.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 27, 2014 10:16:30 GMT -5
If we don't get additional information indicating why this one kid was singled out, then the judge is a piece of crap. The kid was the one wielding guns during the robbery. If the report is true, then no, he wasn't.
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Post by BRV on May 27, 2014 10:55:18 GMT -5
The kid was the one wielding guns during the robbery. If the report is true, then no, he wasn't. According to his attorney, the other teens involved wielded the guns. However, the guns were brought by this kid, so I guess that brings into question the factor on how important is it to be the person who brings the guns versus being the person who holds the gun. And also, the prosecution uncovered evidence that they had planned six similar robberies, although his lawyer denied that. But the way I see it, if throwing this kid in jail prevented six additional armed home invasions, then are we really losing anything of value by putting him in jail?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2014 10:58:53 GMT -5
“He’s 16 years old,” said his father, Marc Van Huizen. “Some 16-years-olds are more mature than others, but Cooper is really soft and tender emotionally. He’s just a nice, sweet young boy, always has been. He’s not this rough-and-tough, wannabe street-wise little kid.”
"Cooper Van Huizen pleaded guilty to two counts of second-degree felony robbery for his role in a home invasion late last year."
He's just a big softy, he only commits SECOND degree felonies!
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Post by bluemeii on May 27, 2014 13:50:53 GMT -5
Honestly screw all 3 of them. They should all be sitting in jail until at least their 30s.
I mean he's just so innocent and sensitive. All charming little cherubs supply guns to a home invasion and then participate.
I wish more judges would overturn these bullshit plea deals these prosecutors give out just to speed things up.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 27, 2014 14:38:12 GMT -5
People who talk about how the kid brought the guns are missing the point that according to the article, the judge didn't reject the deal, he accepted it and THEN modified the terms. If he felt it was inappropriate, he shouldn't have accepted it. How can we tell people to abide by law when judges act like Mafiosi? As someone who has had their house robbed before and knows how awful it is, I say screw him. He deserves it. And screw justice and due process as well, then? I've been robbed too but I can tell you I would have defended the robbers if the judge had pulled that shit. The "lock them up and throw away the key" mentality only ends up creating more crime. If he does get the 15 years, the kid will be 31 when he comes out. For half his life, he will have known nothing but prison and violence (remember, maximum security means he gets to hang out with murderers, rapists and gang members). He will have no job qualification and his only skills will be criminal ones. Guess what happens when he comes out after having over half his life wasted by a judge who screwed him over? Hint: it won't involve him being reformed. ...which seems to contradict this: I shed no tears for this punk. He and his friends broke into a home, brandished weapons, terrorized the people inside, made them feel as though they were going to die, and stole from them. He knew what he was getting himself into. Don't want to go to jail for a felony? Don't commit a felony. Simple as that. Yeah, be honest! Like the judge that signed a deal with you and then immediately broke it! Wait, shit... Seriously people. Criminals have made mistakes. That means they have to be punished and rehabilitated. That doesn't mean they're chew toys for everyone to vent their anger on. Or would you guys be okay with being treated like you're not human if you one day end up breaking the law?
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Post by HMARK Center on May 27, 2014 14:51:08 GMT -5
If the report is true, then no, he wasn't. According to his attorney, the other teens involved wielded the guns. However, the guns were brought by this kid, so I guess that brings into question the factor on how important is it to be the person who brings the guns versus being the person who holds the gun. And also, the prosecution uncovered evidence that they had planned six similar robberies, although his lawyer denied that. But the way I see it, if throwing this kid in jail prevented six additional armed home invasions, then are we really losing anything of value by putting him in jail? On the latter point, we stand to have a pretty poor outcome should the kid be in jail into his 30's, particularly a maximum security prison. Our system has a horrendous rehabilitation rate, and the most likely outcome is the kid becoming hardened and more likely to commit future crimes.
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Post by BRV on May 27, 2014 14:51:37 GMT -5
Seriously people. Criminals have made mistakes. That means they have to be punished and rehabilitated. That doesn't mean they're chew toys for everyone to vent their anger on. Or would you guys be okay with being treated like you're not human if you one day end up breaking the law? I have no tolerance for what he and his friends did. They made the conscious decision to grab some guns, break into a home, threaten the people inside the residence, and steal from them. And I'll answer your last question by saying this: if I ever sink low enough to become the type of scum that commits an armed home invasion, then everyone gets the opportunity to treat me like garbage, because I'm not worthy of their pity or sympathy. Just like this kid.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on May 27, 2014 15:17:14 GMT -5
People who talk about how the kid brought the guns are missing the point that according to the article, the judge didn't reject the deal, he accepted it and THEN modified the terms. If he felt it was inappropriate, he shouldn't have accepted it. How can we tell people to abide by law when judges act like Mafiosi? As someone who has had their house robbed before and knows how awful it is, I say screw him. He deserves it. And screw justice and due process as well, then? I've been robbed too but I can tell you I would have defended the robbers if the judge had pulled that shit. The "lock them up and throw away the key" mentality only ends up creating more crime. If he does get the 15 years, the kid will be 31 when he comes out. For half his life, he will have known nothing but prison and violence (remember, maximum security means he gets to hang out with murderers, rapists and gang members). He will have no job qualification and his only skills will be criminal ones. Guess what happens when he comes out after having over half his life wasted by a judge who screwed him over? Hint: it won't involve him being reformed. ...which seems to contradict this: I shed no tears for this punk. He and his friends broke into a home, brandished weapons, terrorized the people inside, made them feel as though they were going to die, and stole from them. He knew what he was getting himself into. Don't want to go to jail for a felony? Don't commit a felony. Simple as that. Yeah, be honest! Like the judge that signed a deal with you and then immediately broke it! Wait, shit... Seriously people. Criminals have made mistakes. That means they have to be punished and rehabilitated. That doesn't mean they're chew toys for everyone to vent their anger on. Or would you guys be okay with being treated like you're not human if you one day end up breaking the law? Excellent post, people vent for retribution, even revenge, but it never helps anybody, just leads to a never ending cycle of crime.
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Post by Push R Truth on May 27, 2014 15:19:25 GMT -5
I'd feel different if the kid got stupid and went with his friends on a trip that ended up being a robbery... but the son of a bitch took the time to go and collect guns and bring them, he had a LONG TIME to think about what was going down. To me, that makes all the difference. This wasn't a "i made a bad choice in the heat of the moment". This is "I had plenty of time to think about the bad shit I was going to do".
This kid needs a lot of professional help before it's too late. Hopefully he can get help and not "learn how to be even worse" in prison.
The stuff with the judge: It's well worth looking into. I'm thinking there's only half a story here. I want to see the missing half. I doubt he just willy nilly changed his mind. It could happen though, and if it did, he's an asshole and should get investigated. But I'm thinking there's an untold part of the story.
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Post by HMARK Center on May 27, 2014 15:24:05 GMT -5
I'd feel different if the kid got stupid and went with his friends on a trip that ended up being a robbery... but the son of a bitch took the time to go and collect guns and bring them, he had a LONG TIME to think about what was going down. To me, that makes all the difference. This wasn't a "i made a bad choice in the heat of the moment". This is "I had plenty of time to think about the bad shit I was going to do". This kid needs a lot of professional help before it's too late. Hopefully he can get help and not "learn how to be even worse" in prison. That's the problem: he likely won't get it. When you're in maximum security lock up, the best you can basically do is be isolated from the general population, and he won't likely have that cover for more than a couple of years. Our collective vengeance obsession and lack of good rehabilitation in our prisons just leads to the incarceration-release-readmittance cycle going on, and on, and on. Big reason why we have 5% of the world's population, but 25% of the world's prison population.
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