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Post by agent817 on May 29, 2014 10:13:38 GMT -5
There are many movies out there that spawned sequels that never really needed to exist in the first place. What are some of your examples? Many people say "The Hangover" never needed two sequels and I actually agree. The first movie was definitely funny. It really didn't need to have follow-ups. Personally, I didn't have a problem with the sequels, but they were never necessary. The second one was just a rehash of the first movie with some more outlandish things happening. The third was more or less all about Alan and Chow with Stu and Phil being there for who knows what reason. Plus, it wasn't really that much of a comedy as it was darker than the other two. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Todd Phillips didn't really want to do the sequels but WB and Legendary said that there should be sequels.
Another example, even this wasn't really a franchise as there were only two films, was "Speed." The first "Speed" movie was a classic, no doubt about that. I watched two videos from this guy named Ramboraph4life on YouTube and he made good points about those two movies. "Speed" was, without a doubt, one of the greatest action movies of the 1990s. It had great action, a good concept, a good story and great effects. "Speed 2," well I have not seen the whole thing, but many have said that it sucked badly and from the scenes that I have seen, I won't argue. Plus, what were they thinking by having a cruise ship be the vehicle this time? A cruise ship isn't fast at all. It would have worked as a "Die Hard" sequel or even knock-off (Well, there kind of was one that was DTV, and it starred Ice-T).
What are your examples?
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Post by CMWaters on May 29, 2014 10:16:49 GMT -5
Highlander.
No movie after the first was good, the TV series was mixed reception, and the animated series was just...weird.
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Post by DSR on May 29, 2014 10:18:37 GMT -5
The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. The original is a perfect standalone horror story. The very idea of turning it into a franchise kinda robs the original film of its "based on a true story" impact.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 29, 2014 10:26:20 GMT -5
Highlander. No movie after the first was good, the TV series was mixed reception, and the animated series was just...weird. But they're aliens in hte future now was a brilliant plot point! said no one ever
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Post by CMWaters on May 29, 2014 10:27:17 GMT -5
Highlander. No movie after the first was good, the TV series was mixed reception, and the animated series was just...weird. But they're aliens in hte future now was a brilliant plot point! said no one ever Well, it's brilliant in comparison to "Highlander: The Source", anyway.
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Post by thirteen3 on May 29, 2014 10:30:00 GMT -5
Pirates of the Caribbean.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 29, 2014 10:35:56 GMT -5
But they're aliens in hte future now was a brilliant plot point! said no one ever Well, it's brilliant in comparison to "Highlander: The Source", anyway. True, but ANYTHING compared to the source could be considered brilliant Also I thought people thought the 3rd movie was "ok" but not as good as the first one... then again that might have just been their reaction after seeing Highlander 2
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Post by camsamurai06 on May 29, 2014 10:45:35 GMT -5
Without question The Land Before Time. There was a period where I thought they would never stop making sequels to that.
Any Disney film that ever got a DTV sequel qualifies too.
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Post by CMWaters on May 29, 2014 10:47:47 GMT -5
Without question The Land Before Time. There was a period where I thought they would never stop making sequels to that. What, you didn't wanna see "The Land Before Time XXIII: Littlefoot's Puberty"?
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Post by Red Impact on May 29, 2014 10:49:03 GMT -5
Home Alone - CPS would have taken the kid away after the first movie. The second would have never happened.
Most horror movies should have ended after the first. Alien, Predator, and Nightmare on Elm Street are ones I can see continuing the story, but a lot of others should have just ended after one.
The Amazing Spider-Man
Every sports movie, even Rocky (and I love Rocky)
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on May 29, 2014 10:49:08 GMT -5
What are you guys talking about? There's only been one Highlander movie. The rest have just been a really bad dream.
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Post by CMWaters on May 29, 2014 10:50:25 GMT -5
What are you guys talking about? There's only been one Highlander movie. The rest have just been a really bad dream. To be fair, I have heard good things about the Highlander Anime OVA. Including the interesting idea of one immortal using a chainsaw instead of a sword.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 29, 2014 10:50:38 GMT -5
Without question The Land Before Time. There was a period where I thought they would never stop making sequels to that. What, you didn't wanna see "The Land Before Time XXIII: Littlefoot's Puberty"? I'll be honest I'm surprised they haven't made a new one in years... I mean the last one needed to be Littlefoot invents the wristwatch:P
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Post by CMWaters on May 29, 2014 10:52:03 GMT -5
What, you didn't wanna see "The Land Before Time XXIII: Littlefoot's Puberty"? I'll be honest I'm surprised they haven't made a new one in years... I mean the last one needed to be Littlefoot invents the wristwatch:P They're waiting to work out a deal between Universal and Warner Bros. to do a Land Before Time/Flintstones crossover.
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Post by Flippity Floppity Floo on May 29, 2014 10:54:57 GMT -5
Pirates of the Caribbean. This is a really good one. The first movie was pretty dang good. Not some groundbreaking film, but a fun movie that everybody seemed to enjoy.
The sequels just ran it into the ground by giving everyone complicated, goofy backstories and becoming these bloated messes of celluloid. And they couldn't let the trilogy just be the end, nah, they had to make a 4th movie (which I don't think anybody saw).
There's good stuff in the sequels, but you have to wade through a lot of crap to find it. I understand WHY they made sequels ($$$), but they could have put a lot more care and effort into them.
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Post by mizerable on May 29, 2014 10:56:47 GMT -5
American Pie
The Hangover
And I'll probably get shit for saying it, even though I like the 3rd movie...Toy Story.
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Post by Raskovnik on May 29, 2014 10:57:30 GMT -5
Pirates of the Caribbean. This is a really good one. The first movie was pretty dang good. Not some groundbreaking film, but a fun movie that everybody seemed to enjoy.
The sequels just ran it into the ground by giving everyone complicated, goofy backstories and becoming these bloated messes of celluloid. And they couldn't let the trilogy just be the end, nah, they had to make a 4th movie (which I don't think anybody saw).
There's good stuff in the sequels, but you have to wade through a lot of crap to find it. I understand WHY they made sequels ($$$), but they could have put a lot more care and effort into them.
Budget $150[2]–250[1] million Box office $1,045,713,802[1]
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Post by Fundertaker on May 29, 2014 10:58:42 GMT -5
Highlander. No movie after the first was good, the TV series was mixed reception, and the animated series was just...weird. I actually remember liking the Highlander animated series. It's just that the main character was so f'n punchable. It also only seemed to have the idea of the immortals, the name and use of swords as preferred method of combate from the movie (also the names, but who cares). The rest seemed to be pretty much its own creation which is odd if interesting considering the source.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 29, 2014 10:58:48 GMT -5
Pirates of the Caribbean. they had to make a 4th movie (which I don't think anybody saw).] You would be wrong, it made over a billion dollars at the box office. Which means stay tuned for Pirates 5: Dead men tell no tales coming 2016.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 29, 2014 11:01:45 GMT -5
As much as I love and defend the Saw franchise (well, most of it, anyway), I can't deny that the sequels didn't need to happen, cheapened the unique aspects of the first film and yes, even I admit the quality of the films went downhill very fast and very strongly (aside from 4 which I still say is the second best film in the series). If the rumours of a reboot are true then is hope they can remember what the original such a classic: likeable characters, minimalistic style and a tense atmosphere. The video games were unnecessary and poorly made as well. Wrong Turn. Forgettable film gets an inexplicable amount of forgettable and increasingly silly sequels, and not even the fun kind of silly. Resident Evil. Had it remained a one-off film, it would have at least be remembered as a decent action flick despite having nothing to do with the games. If you're being generous, you could even have argued that it works as a spin-off, a side story taking place parallel to the story of the games but nope, Paul W. S. Anderson apparently decided this was his magnum opus so he just had to f*** up any link this might have to the games, especially the characters. To be fair, Apocalypse wasn't too bad (in fact, I'd argue it's the best one and the closest thing to a proper adaptation of the games we've had) but by Extinction it became obvious that Anderson stopped giving even one tiny shit, caring only about showing how badass and better than everyone else Alice is, with story, character development and holy f*** ESPECIALLY continuity being only afterthoughts. It actually becomes kind of fascinating how Anderson keeps contradicting himself from one film to the next or even within the same movie. It's like he has completely lost interest in this franchise when he is seemingly the only person on Earth who wants it to keep going, to say nothing of the amount of plot conveniences and just plain stupid moments. The Human Centipede. These films have NOTHING going for them other than their premise. It's not even a good enough idea for ONE movie and Tom Six couldn't even pull off making it gross. That's right, he failed to make a film about three people stitched ass-to-mouth and shitting down each-other's throat gross. That's takes a special kind of anti-talent. The ONLY kind of entertaining thing in this entire film was Doctor Heiter. Why Six thought it needed to be a trilogy when he couldn't make one movie out of it, I will never know, and I doubt he knows either. Paranormal Activity. First film was a sub-par horror film that relied entirely too much on jump scares, the sequels got increasingly worse and did away with anything OTHER than jump scares, gave none of the sub-plots any kind of payoff (and frankly eve the main plot has yet to progress), were filled to the brim with shitty characters who you're glad to see die horribly and pretty much gave up on giving any credible reason for why people are conveniently filming this stuff, to the point it's blatant that at this point they only film stuff for the sake of exposition. They want the found-footage gimmick but they don't actually want to write them like found-footage movies. The only kind of entertainment one can get from them is ripping them apart (which to be faire IS very amusing). I suppose at least The Marked Ones had the decency to reach so-bad-it's-good levels of stupid (come on, guys! Simon is scary! Hey, esse, tacos, siesta, el diablo, more Hispanic stereotypes!). The Texas Chain Saw Massacre. The original is a perfect standalone horror story. The very idea of turning it into a franchise kinda robs the original film of its "based on a true story" impact. I can't agree with that as it would have robbed us of Part 2, which would have been a terrible loss for all of cinema. Besides, the "based on a true story" claim is bullshit (Leatherface is VERY vaguely inspired by Ed Gein and that's about it). Plus I actually found the original kind of dull for the most part.
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