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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 17:20:31 GMT -5
I'll say Raven, but it's more on the fact that his character did not fit WWE. They didn't understand it. The guy had freaking raven caw caw caws in his theme. He's not, like, literally a f***ing bird.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 5, 2014 17:35:30 GMT -5
Regal didn't deserve better. He seems to be fully aware that he made his own bed and had to lie in it. He also admits he wasn't being pushed to a world title in 2008 to his knowledge.
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Post by fw91 on Jun 5, 2014 18:34:21 GMT -5
Apparently we expect EVERYBDOY to have hall of fame careers. Most of the guys mentioned in the poll were great and some definitely could have been used better (not necessarily to WWE Title level), but at some point you have to realize that not everyone is going to be a main eventer. AMEN
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Post by molson5 on Jun 5, 2014 18:58:52 GMT -5
Apparently we expect EVERYBDOY to have hall of fame careers. Most of the guys mentioned in the poll were great and some definitely could have been used better (not necessarily to WWE Title level), but at some point you have to realize that not everyone is going to be a main eventer. It's really that mindset rather than the WWE that craps on the midcard. If everyone who isn't a main eventer is considered a "f*** up", it's pretty hard to make the midcard matter and be entertaining.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 5, 2014 19:07:15 GMT -5
Stevie Richards had the size, the look, the charisma, and the talent, but I think he was just so good at being a goof, that he never got a serious look. While he did have injury issues, if they would have let him be a little more serious I think he could have been a legit main eventer. Tajiri's size probably worked against him, but everything he did looked good and looked like it hurt like hell. I think he could have had a main event run if they would have just let him "buzzsaw" people every once in a while. I thought Stevie Richards' face run in WWECW was going to lead to a bigger push.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jun 5, 2014 19:16:42 GMT -5
I'm going with Raven. One of the more talented performers of the last 20 years. Good in-ring and one of the best promo guys in the business and they do nothing with him.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 5, 2014 19:18:05 GMT -5
I'll say Raven, but it's more on the fact that his character did not fit WWE. They didn't understand it. The guy had freaking raven caw caw caws in his theme. He's not, like, literally a f***ing bird. To be fair, that theme was awesome. I'd always saw the raven bird calls as being like his "Austin's breaking glass" or "Bret Hart (and I guess Nattie) guitar riff".
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Post by delaney on Jun 5, 2014 19:18:08 GMT -5
From the ECW days teaming with Miz, I always thought Morrison wad the better of the 2 on the mic, but pretaped shows could help with that. Shelton Benjamin should have been kept evem if just for the annual holy s*** moment at MITB. Remember him having amazing matches against taker on smackdown but think it was a lack of willing to push himself more which held him back. Kennedy could have been a big star. Had everything right to make it to the top, but falling out with the wrong people and getting injured will kill any momentum
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Jun 5, 2014 19:39:48 GMT -5
I'm going with Raven. One of the more talented performers of the last 20 years. Good in-ring and one of the best promo guys in the business and they do nothing with him. Who the f*** hired him?
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Post by austinariesfan88 on Jun 5, 2014 19:43:14 GMT -5
I always thought Brian Kendrick could have been something, it seemed the WWE had faith in him,with him being in Main event matches and those Scramble matches.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 5, 2014 19:45:06 GMT -5
I'll say Raven, but it's more on the fact that his character did not fit WWE. They didn't understand it. The guy had freaking raven caw caw caws in his theme. He's not, like, literally a f***ing bird. To be fair, that theme was awesome. I'd always saw the raven bird calls as being like his "Austin's breaking glass" or "Bret Hart (and I guess Nattie) guitar riff". Yeah, I really liked that theme. Bird calls included. I always thought Brian Kendrick could have been something, it seemed the WWE had faith in him,with him being in Main event matches and those Scramble matches. If the reports are true they were planning a major push for him during the scramble and string of main event matches... they wanted him to smoking pot... Kendrick refused... so WWE decided to stop pushing him.
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Post by Dub H on Jun 5, 2014 20:15:33 GMT -5
I will vote Ryback or MVP
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Post by JTH on Jun 5, 2014 20:32:39 GMT -5
With every passing week, Drew McIntyre gets higher on the list.
Has literally gone from recognized on TV as a "Future World Champion" to jobbing to a midget bull in single's matches.
And I'm tired of hearing the Tiffany excuse, there were/are main event top guys who have done FAR worse things in and out of the ring that were still pushed to the moon at near light speed pace, and then continued to do far worse crap when they were on top.
Also Chris Masters I feel is a very honorable mention.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Jun 5, 2014 20:33:46 GMT -5
I'm going with Raven. One of the more talented performers of the last 20 years. Good in-ring and one of the best promo guys in the business and they do nothing with him. Who the f*** hired him? From what I understand Vince never forgave Raven for leaving after he was given an office job by WWF. Supposedly Vince couldn't understand how someone would walk away from a WWF office/creative job to go work on the indy scene.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jun 5, 2014 20:34:59 GMT -5
From what I understand Vince never forgave Raven for leaving after he was given an office job by WWF. Supposedly Vince couldn't understand how someone would walk away from a WWF office/creative job to go work on the indy scene. He can't understand why a wrestler would prefer to wrestle? smh.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Jun 5, 2014 20:53:52 GMT -5
Jeff Hardy is not on the list, admittedly because he f***ed up his own career because of drug issues, but Regal did basically the same thing. Lots of guys on that list shooted themselves in the feet either because they were not professional enough or didn't give enough shit.
DDP was really screwed over.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 5, 2014 21:01:09 GMT -5
From what I understand Vince never forgave Raven for leaving after he was given an office job by WWF. Supposedly Vince couldn't understand how someone would walk away from a WWF office/creative job to go work on the indy scene. He can't understand why a wrestler would prefer to wrestle? smh. Well there is the other story where he already hated him from his first run (as Johnny Polo) because he was Shane's dealer.
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Post by The Gambler Fan on Jun 5, 2014 21:14:16 GMT -5
Is Ryback not on the list because his career with the WWE is not yet over? Even though he is still wrestling for the WWE, I believe that he is the WWEs biggest mistake. In 2012, he was one of the most over wrestlers in the WWE. The only wrestlers who had bigger pops than him were Cena and The Rock. He was on a Goldberg like winning streak by killing jobbers in short matches. He was almost as hot as Goldberg was in 1998. John Cena then was injured and the WWE was out of a main event for Hell in a Cell. WWE put Ryback in the main event hoping that his match with Punk would increase buy rates. Instead of making Ryback win the match and the WWE title they made him lose. During that time Ryback should have not lost a match. However, WWE wanted CM Punk to have a long pointless title reign in order to lose the belt to the Rock. Ryback stayed over but not as over as he was before the lost to Punk. He then lost to Punk again in a TLC match, lost to Cena at the Royal Rumble, turned heel and lost to Cena again. Three major loses in a few month ruined his overness. Now he is in a lower mid card tag team with Curtis Axel.
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Post by Danimal on Jun 5, 2014 21:54:49 GMT -5
Ones that stand-out to me:
DDP, he was incredibly over and they refused to make him look like anything but a joke in the stalker "feud" with taker. Half of what made the invasion angle a disappointment was Vince's refusal to let the WCW guys look good and this was symptomatic of that.
Shelton, they pushed him when he wasn't ready yet then wouldn't ever show a commitment to him again.
Burke, geez WWE and TNA dropped the ball here. Pretty-much became Punk's bitch in ECW and the guy had all the potential in the world.
Test, not much on the mic but you had a big man that had good agility, good intensity, and consistently one of the best finishers in the company.
Morrison, all they had to do was keep the arrogant, snarky rockstar personna he got over with as a heel. You could keep most of it as a face, look at The Rock.
Eugene, it was a short shelf-life gimmick. Not sure if Dinsmore is a main eventer but they should've given him a chance by dropping the gimmick. Should've had him turn on Benoit and go for the gold, he was faking-it and in cahoots with Bisch the whole time in an effort to wrest control of the title. Have him come out in a suit with the afro shaved cutting a heel promo about he and Eric fooled everyone.
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Post by Crimson on Jun 5, 2014 22:09:22 GMT -5
Ryback. Guy goes from have an entire arena chanting Feed Me More, to being jobbed out to Punk, Shield, and Mark Henry and then turned heel to feud with Cena. Sin Cara - Ok this one 100% Mistico's fault, but this guy was Mexico's greatest draw ever. They could have marketed him better, but failed to do so.Uh, que? The guy got pushed up the wazoo, numerous television spots before he even debuted. He was given a winning streak, his own special type of matches to make him unique from everyone else. Everything about him being a bust was his own fault.
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