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Post by Jazzman on Aug 7, 2014 21:56:59 GMT -5
^^ what he said. Zach's entertainment is in causing problems for whoever is in power for the week. What he just did to Nicole on the feeds was f***ing unnecessary. Just outright taunting her over and over and over. See, and that's the thing. I understand being entertaining and putting on a show for cameras, I understand trying to monopolize screen time for yourself, but watch him running around clapping it up after Jocasta got evicted, celebrating like he won something when Caleb won HoH, sitting like a spoiled brat after Donny wins the POV and then acting like a titanic asshole to Nicole shows a real lack of maturity and makes me want to turn off the TV if he's even featured because he thinks he's so f***ing cool. No wonder that little f***head is unemployed.
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Post by Jazzman on Aug 7, 2014 21:58:40 GMT -5
Someone wanna do me a solid and post what happened? House flipped by Caleb, votes out Jocasta. Caleb wins HoH, noms Donny and Hayden, Donny wins POV, removes himself Nicole up as Renom, Hayden goes out 5-2 vote. Detonators have stranglehold on season, ZZZZZZZZZ
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Aug 7, 2014 22:04:13 GMT -5
Someone wanna do me a solid and post what happened? House flipped by Caleb, votes out Jocasta. Caleb wins HoH, noms Donny and Hayden, Donny wins POV, removes himself Nicole up as Renom, Hayden goes out 5-2 vote. Detonators have stranglehold on season, ZZZZZZZZZ Thanks. And here I was hoping something good would've happened tonight :-\
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Post by MGH on Aug 7, 2014 22:09:07 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Hope may not be lost yet. This group apparently does not trust Frankie and Christine at all. Derrick, Cody, and Caleb are filling Zach in on Frankie playing everyone. About how he takes everyone's information to everyone else. Caleb says that a lot of what Nicole said about Frankie and Christine was 100% true, and that she (Christine) would have gone with whichever side came out of tonight's episode in power.
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Post by MGH on Aug 7, 2014 22:11:19 GMT -5
{Spoiler}UH OH
@bb_Updates Zach to Derrick- I just realized I'm being played by Frankie and Christine. They came to me and were like "Final 3. Cody out first"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 22:11:19 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I'd put up Christine and/or Frankie in a heartbeat. Especially Christine though. She's already got Nicole back on her side, believing that she didn't have anything to do with the flip. And Frankie tries to control all the information in the house. He's everywhere at all times. They'd be my top targets for sure.
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Post by Jazzman on Aug 7, 2014 22:11:20 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Hope may not be lost yet. This group apparently does not trust Frankie and Christine at all. Derrick, Cody, and Caleb are filling Zach in on Frankie playing everyone. About how he takes everyone's information to everyone else. Caleb says that a lot of what Nicole said about Frankie and Christine was 100% true, and that she (Christine) would have gone with whichever side came out of tonight's episode in power. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Over under on how quick this gets to Frankie via Zach? I'm saying enough time for McCrae to deliver a pizza
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Post by MGH on Aug 7, 2014 22:16:05 GMT -5
{Spoiler} Thu 8:09 PM BBT Zach/Derr talking. Zach is wondering if Nic told the truth about Frank bc everytime he asks him, Frank won't look at him.
Thu 8:10 PM BBT Zach to Derrick: I just realized I'm effing being played by Frankie. Derrick leaves and swings a pretend baseball bat in the empty hallway.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 7, 2014 22:37:54 GMT -5
Zach is also one of those dudes who very clearly specifically targets and bullies women because he knows he isn't going to get any real retaliation for it. He's verbally attacked literally every woman in the cast but hasn't said shit to ANYYYY of the guys, ever? (That I know of) He's a coward if not an outright misogynist. And again I really found the way he harassed Amber about Caleb unforgivable. Most people joked about it but I found the whole Caleb/Amber thing really disturbing to watch.
I mean if you want to like him because he's funny fair enough I've laughed at his antics sometimes too but please acknowledge his flaws.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2014 22:56:04 GMT -5
Zach is also one of those dudes who very clearly specifically targets and bullies women because he knows he isn't going to get any real retaliation for it. He's verbally attacked literally every woman in the cast but hasn't said shit to ANYYYY of the guys, ever? (That I know of) He's a coward if not an outright misogynist. And again I really found the way he harassed Amber about Caleb unforgivable. Most people joked about it but I found the whole Caleb/Amber thing really disturbing to watch. I mean if you want to like him because he's funny fair enough I've laughed at his antics sometimes too but please acknowledge his flaws. I definitely agree that he takes his taunting too far most of the time. He goes in very hard on whoever his target is for that week and is pretty merciless for the most part. Although I wouldn't say he's nearly as bad as most of the perceived bullies of BB lore, because his insults are plentiful, but relatively harmless. It's really the quantity, not the quality with him. But to single him out as a misogynist is a little much, when you consider almost all of the verbal abuse this year has gone to women. It's not just Zach, but its everyone. Even the women only really talk crap about one another. Devin's the only guy who really got any kind of verbal brow-beating, and Caleb gets quite a bit behind his back. Nicole and Christine ripped on Amber for everything under the sun. Everyone calls Victoria useless. The fact of the matter is that this season the house target has almost always been female, and the target is the person everyone has to vilify to try and get them out. Zach's attacks on Amber and Brittany started after they told everyone that would listen that he was their target. And he had to go hard after Amber in order to convince Caleb that she was going against him and he needed to get her out. Caleb's an emotional person, so they had to appeal to his emotions. "You disrespected the Beast Mode Cowboy" is something you have to say to get Caleb to go "Yeah... he's right!" You fondle Caleb's ego to get him to do what you want. The insults towards Pao Pao were when she was on the block against him, after she had agreed to throw the BoB competition so Devin could try and get Zach out. The fruit loop dingus line was pretty harmless and clearly it wasn't meant to be as hateful as Nicole took it. She was totally justified in putting him on the block in retaliation, and she was justified in wanting to get him out. But now he saw that she was doing whatever she could to get him out, and now he's unleashing on her. Its not nice and its not fair, nor is it necessary. But its not because she is a woman. Again, a lot of what he does is unnecessary and unwarranted. A lot of the time its probably mean-spirited. But I really don't see it as a man vs. woman type thing. The Bomb Squad majority male alliance that got started at the beginning of the game has really shaped the game more than anything, so it still feels like women are getting picked off simply for being women. But its the lingering after effects of that alliance and the way things went from there. I think Zach's just kind of an asshole and he plays it up a lot for the cameras too.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Aug 7, 2014 23:04:59 GMT -5
Zach is also one of those dudes who very clearly specifically targets and bullies women because he knows he isn't going to get any real retaliation for it. He's verbally attacked literally every woman in the cast but hasn't said shit to ANYYYY of the guys, ever? (That I know of) He's a coward if not an outright misogynist. And again I really found the way he harassed Amber about Caleb unforgivable. Most people joked about it but I found the whole Caleb/Amber thing really disturbing to watch. I mean if you want to like him because he's funny fair enough I've laughed at his antics sometimes too but please acknowledge his flaws. I definitely agree that he takes his taunting too far most of the time. He goes in very hard on whoever his target is for that week and is pretty merciless for the most part. Although I wouldn't say he's nearly as bad as most of the perceived bullies of BB lore, because his insults are plentiful, but relatively harmless. It's really the quantity, not the quality with him. But to single him out as a misogynist is a little much, when you consider almost all of the verbal abuse this year has gone to women. It's not just Zach, but its everyone. Even the women only really talk crap about one another. Devin's the only guy who really got any kind of verbal brow-beating, and Caleb gets quite a bit behind his back. Nicole and Christine ripped on Amber for everything under the sun. Everyone calls Victoria useless. The fact of the matter is that this season the house target has almost always been female, and the target is the person everyone has to vilify to try and get them out. Zach's attacks on Amber and Brittany started after they told everyone that would listen that he was their target. And he had to go hard after Amber in order to convince Caleb that she was going against him and he needed to get her out. Caleb's an emotional person, so they had to appeal to his emotions. "You disrespected the Beast Mode Cowboy" is something you have to say to get Caleb to go "Yeah... he's right!" You fondle Caleb's ego to get him to do what you want. The insults towards Pao Pao were when she was on the block against him, after she had agreed to throw the BoB competition so Devin could try and get Zach out. The fruit loop dingus line was pretty harmless and clearly it wasn't meant to be as hateful as Nicole took it. She was totally justified in putting him on the block in retaliation, and she was justified in wanting to get him out. But now he saw that she was doing whatever she could to get him out, and now he's unleashing on her. Its not nice and its not fair, nor is it necessary. But its not because she is a woman. Again, a lot of what he does is unnecessary and unwarranted. A lot of the time its probably mean-spirited. But I really don't see it as a man vs. woman type thing. The Bomb Squad majority male alliance that got started at the beginning of the game has really shaped the game more than anything, so it still feels like women are getting picked off simply for being women. But its the lingering after effects of that alliance and the way things went from there. I think Zach's just kind of an asshole and he plays it up a lot for the cameras too. Thats actually a fair defense. I still don't like him and I do think there's SOME underlying misogyny to his actions but I can see where you're coming from. Well written.
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Post by MGH on Aug 8, 2014 0:33:12 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Hoooly shit. Nicole and Christine won the HOHs!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 3:12:14 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Based on what Nicole and Christine have said to each other, Nicole is going to nominate Victoria and Caleb, and Christine is going to nominate Donny and what was originally supposed to be Zach, but she's now considering Derrick instead. Cody is target #1 it seems. But again, this is just what they're telling each other, Who knows if it will stick.
Nicole also told Christine that she actually likes Zach more than all the other guys in the house, and she's told Zach that she won't nominate him this week and he isn't her target. She also said they need to work together. For his part, Zach's been overtly flirting with her, pushing her to start a showmance with him, going as far as to write her a poem. Obviously this is all meant to be over-the-top and obvious, but its still a pretty fun watch.
Meanwhile Frankie has been distancing himself from the Jocosta vote as much as possible, telling Nicole that he was tricked and he ended up working with "stupid people". He's also suggested an alliance of himself, Nicole, Christine, Donny, and Victoria in a completely transparent move. I really want this guy gone. He and Christine both can kick rocks.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 3:51:14 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Based on what Nicole and Christine have said to each other, Nicole is going to nominate Victoria and Caleb, and Christine is going to nominate Donny and what was originally supposed to be Zach, but she's now considering Derrick instead. Cody is target #1 it seems. But again, this is just what they're telling each other, Who knows if it will stick.
Nicole also told Christine that she actually likes Zach more than all the other guys in the house, and she's told Zach that she won't nominate him this week and he isn't her target. She also said they need to work together. For his part, Zach's been overtly flirting with her, pushing her to start a showmance with him, going as far as to write her a poem. Obviously this is all meant to be over-the-top and obvious, but its still a pretty fun watch.
Meanwhile Frankie has been distancing himself from the Jocosta vote as much as possible, telling Nicole that he was tricked and he ended up working with "stupid people". He's also suggested an alliance of himself, Nicole, Christine, Donny, and Victoria in a completely transparent move. I really want this guy gone. He and Christine both can kick rocks. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Nope. I want Derrick or Cody gone. I'm completely down for the Nicole & Zach alliance though. {Spoiler}Are you watching/reading this Zach/Nicole convo? Zach's putting ALL the cards on the table. Telling Nicole about the final 3 with Cody and Derrick, the final 2 with Frankie, and he told her the truth about the Detonators. He looks like he wants Frankie and Christine gone badly.
If Nicole can stay HoH this week, big things could happen. However if she loses BoB and decides to tell Christine all of this afterwards, his game could be donezo.
But yeah. I want Frankie or Christine gone the most, but I wouldn't mind seeing Derrick go out either. One of these "masterminds" needs to go.
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Post by MGH on Aug 8, 2014 9:04:32 GMT -5
{Spoiler}For the first time I legitimately do not know who is legit aligned with who and who will be sitting in the two chairs on Thursday night. Excitement!
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Post by MGH on Aug 8, 2014 13:43:22 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Nicole nominates Frankie and Caleb. Christine nominates Donny and Zach. The plan is still for Caleb to throw and get rid of Frankie.
Sounds like Zach also went off on Frankie and Christine during the nomination ceremony.
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Post by MGH on Aug 8, 2014 14:01:43 GMT -5
{Spoiler}This may make for amazing TV. Caleb is planning on sitting down on his butt at the beginning of the BoB comp and letting Frank hang out to dry.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Aug 8, 2014 14:41:51 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}This may make for amazing TV. Caleb is planning on sitting down on his butt at the beginning of the BoB comp and letting Frank hang out to dry. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}See, I'm not overly upset about throwing comps, but just sitting there and acting like a complete dick bugs me for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 16:08:47 GMT -5
{Spoiler}My sister is very happy to know that Frankie may be leaving this week.
Battle of the Block will probably be tonight or tomorrow, right?
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Post by MGH on Aug 8, 2014 16:12:55 GMT -5
Should be within the next couple of hours.
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