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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 8, 2014 13:20:32 GMT -5
LMAO, what a heel. You basically gave your word that you would give WWE 60 bucks over the course of six months in a mutual agreement and now you are backing out of it. You are in the wrong here dude. I don't care how many attorneys you talk to, you are bailing on a clear agreement. I only wanted the TRIAL. Oh, you didn't originally have that in your OP. In that case, you'd probably be better off just closing the account.
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Post by Chip on Jun 8, 2014 13:20:55 GMT -5
LMAO, what a heel. You basically gave your word that you would give WWE 60 bucks over the course of six months in a mutual agreement and now you are backing out of it. You are in the wrong here dude. I don't care how many attorneys you talk to, you are bailing on a clear agreement. I only wanted the TRIAL. Hm, OK, it doesn't seem so shitty now. When I signed up some time ago I missed out on the free trial as well but I love the Network so much I didn't care.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jun 8, 2014 13:22:34 GMT -5
Is there still even a free trial? I thought they only had two of those with one before WrestleMania and one after it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 13:23:43 GMT -5
so take this hypothetical for example...What is stopping an individual for using an alias, a new email address, and a prepaid debit card (like the ones purchasable with no information at walmart) with $10 on it to enjoy the network or certain PPV (which is barely possible) which ever month they choose? Not condoning the action I am just stating how the situation is a tad bit convulted
The reason I cancelled my card/subscription is because I signed up the first original week and cancelled within 5 days and was still charged and when I called back they stated that they had no record of my cancellation and that I was stuck with 6 months...After WrestleMania barely worked for me I was furious and just cancelled my debit card and got a new one...
This situation was discussed in a thread I made about a week after this section was created
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jun 8, 2014 13:30:27 GMT -5
LMAO, what a heel. You basically gave your word that you would give WWE 60 bucks over the course of six months in a mutual agreement and now you are backing out of it. You are in the wrong here dude. I don't care how many attorneys you talk to, you are bailing on a clear agreement. I only wanted the TRIAL. Then you should've signed up for the trial. They provided two distinct and different options for sign up when the trial was being offered, in fact I personally had to do a little digging to sign up for the full six months and not just the trial. Basically, you agreed to pay for it dude. You provided what's know as a "Digital Signature" the second you clicked the box to agree to the terms and services. You also provided them personal banking details and paid for several months of service. You weren't tricked, they didn't deceive you, and nobody committed fraud. Man up and pay your f***ing bills dude. Oh, and your lawyer is a f***ing idiot, signatures aren't needed for legal agreements especially in the digital age. Ask the clown if he's ever heard of a verbal contract because if you accurately stated what he told you then he doesn't seem to understand how that sort of thing works.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 13:33:18 GMT -5
I love the WWE fan boys, who will even favor in the side of the WWE when they are legally in the wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 13:34:52 GMT -5
Then you should've signed up for the trial. They provided two distinct and different options for sign up when the trial was being offered, in fact I personally had to do a little digging to sign up for the full six months and not just the trial. Basically, you agreed to pay for it dude. You provided what's know as a "Digital Signature" the second you clicked the box to agree to the terms and services. You also provided them personal banking details and paid for several months of service. You weren't tricked, they didn't deceive you, and nobody committed fraud. Man up and pay your f***ing bills dude. Once again what is stopping an individual from using a prepaid debit card?
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Post by Chip on Jun 8, 2014 13:35:24 GMT -5
I love the WWE fan boys, who will even favor in the side of the WWE when they are legally in the wrong. Ehh, it's not really being WWE fanboys. Hawk went to law school so personally I'll take what he says as da law.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 8, 2014 13:36:50 GMT -5
I love the WWE fan boys, who will even favor in the side of the WWE when they are legally in the wrong. Ehh, it's not really being WWE fanboys. Hawk went to law school so personally I'll take what he says as da law. Hawk Jefferson: Attorney at Law "Blowing up caskets since 2008"
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 8, 2014 13:38:15 GMT -5
I love the WWE fan boys, who will even favor in the side of the WWE when they are legally in the wrong. You have provided nothing to show you were deceived or mistreated and now are lashing at people for pointing out your mistakes. If you cannot take people point stuff like this out, don't bother posting it. Calling people fanboys for not babying you does not fly here.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jun 8, 2014 13:38:51 GMT -5
I love the WWE fan boys, who will even favor in the side of the WWE when they are legally in the wrong. They're not in the wrong if it's pretty clearly stated in the ads and sign ups. Heck, I don't even have the network (live in the UK), and even I knew it was a 6 month contract due to the adverts they kept shilling. It's not even like it was hidden amongst a bunch of legal terminology or worded vaguely so they could entrap you, it's stated outright and multiple times throughout the process.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Jun 8, 2014 13:40:56 GMT -5
Nothing will be funnier than a thread where the OP gets blasted and then gets mad at people for pointing out the obvious.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jun 8, 2014 13:42:06 GMT -5
I love the WWE fan boys, who will even favor in the side of the WWE when they are legally in the wrong. And I love people that try to hide behind the law but don't understand it. I'm three years into my degree that's gonna let me, oh hey, be a lawyer. This is baseline, introductory course work on contract disputes. They advertised that signing up in a non-trial capacity would require a six month agreement from customers i.e. if you want it, you pay for it for six months even if you only want two. Unless there's a loophole in the terms of service that you agreed to, you're over a barrel. Here's how the law looks at it, your name is attached to the account, as is your personal banking information, the IP they have on record is yours, they likely have a record of data sent to that IP, you paid for at least one month of service without reporting the charges as suspicious activity to your bank, and seemingly had no contact with WWE Network customer service prior to deciding to cancel the service despite agreeing to six months. WWE isn't in the wrong legally, they've offered no less than two trial periods wherein you didn't have to pay for access as long as you cancelled prior to the trial period. Agreeing to terms of service is the same as putting pen to paper or verbally agreeing to something. They're all contracts and with the litany of information required (not the least of which is an account that's tied to your e-mail which also has all sorts of personal info attached) it's hard for you as a consumer to remotely try and prove that it wasn't you that signed up or that they deceived you. In fact, you'd be committing fraud by trying to convince them that it wasn't you that signed up.
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Jun 8, 2014 13:43:54 GMT -5
Then you should've signed up for the trial. They provided two distinct and different options for sign up when the trial was being offered, in fact I personally had to do a little digging to sign up for the full six months and not just the trial. Basically, you agreed to pay for it dude. You provided what's know as a "Digital Signature" the second you clicked the box to agree to the terms and services. You also provided them personal banking details and paid for several months of service. You weren't tricked, they didn't deceive you, and nobody committed fraud. Man up and pay your f***ing bills dude. Once again what is stopping an individual from using a prepaid debit card? I know some companies won't take a prepaid card on something that takes numerous payments. They just won't be accepted.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Jun 8, 2014 13:46:30 GMT -5
Once again what is stopping an individual from using a prepaid debit card? I know some companies won't take a prepaid card on something that takes numerous payments. They just won't be accepted. Gamefly, and Netflix won't take prepaid cards for such reasons.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Jun 8, 2014 13:46:52 GMT -5
Then you should've signed up for the trial. They provided two distinct and different options for sign up when the trial was being offered, in fact I personally had to do a little digging to sign up for the full six months and not just the trial. Basically, you agreed to pay for it dude. You provided what's know as a "Digital Signature" the second you clicked the box to agree to the terms and services. You also provided them personal banking details and paid for several months of service. You weren't tricked, they didn't deceive you, and nobody committed fraud. Man up and pay your f***ing bills dude. Once again what is stopping an individual from using a prepaid debit card? The agreement. It's pretty obvious that WWE is going to attempt to continue charging and even pre-paid cards require some sort of personal information in most cases. Factor that in with WWE having a vast legal department that could easily track personal information past what consumers provide based on what little they do. Seriously, WWE has my address, full name, and cell phone number just from the time I ordered a t-shirt and now from the Network sign-up and from there it wouldn't be hard to legally obtain my social security number and/or bank records especially in a case like this. OP is no different. Then there's the matter of most subscription services just flat out refusing them.
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Post by bluemeii on Jun 8, 2014 13:53:22 GMT -5
Once again what is stopping an individual from using a prepaid debit card? I know some companies won't take a prepaid card on something that takes numerous payments. They just won't be accepted. Yeah those prepaid cards with no name on them are becoming more and more useless as time goes by. With the updates Visanet put in a few years back it is real easy for companies to just immediately decline those cards. Not because of lack of funds but similar to what was being described. Chargebacks. They just plain suck and companies are putting alot more stringent rules on acceptable forms of payments because of it. These cards without the purchasers name on it are one of the first things to go. Yeah alot of all this is because of people that have the attitude of buying things and doing whatever they can to get out of the purchase after the fact.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 13:55:43 GMT -5
I mean, obviously the lawyer has weighed in now so this is just piling on but did you really REALLY believe that the terms of service of stuff doesn't apply to you just because you didn't put down an actual signature? You realize that means like...every internet contract would be unenforceable right? Even without legal knowledge, you had to suspect there was some flaws in the logic there.
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Jun 8, 2014 14:03:13 GMT -5
I love the WWE fan boys, who will even favor in the side of the WWE when they are legally in the wrong. And I love people that try to hide behind the law but don't understand it. I'm three years into my degree that's gonna let me, oh hey, be a lawyer. This is baseline, introductory course work on contract disputes. They advertised that signing up in a non-trial capacity would require a six month agreement from customers i.e. if you want it, you pay for it for six months even if you only want two. Unless there's a loophole in the terms of service that you agreed to, you're over a barrel. Here's how the law looks at it, your name is attached to the account, as is your personal banking information, the IP they have on record is yours, they likely have a record of data sent to that IP, you paid for at least one month of service without reporting the charges as suspicious activity to your bank, and seemingly had no contact with WWE Network customer service prior to deciding to cancel the service despite agreeing to six months. WWE isn't in the wrong legally, they've offered no less than two trial periods wherein you didn't have to pay for access as long as you cancelled prior to the trial period. Agreeing to terms of service is the same as putting pen to paper or verbally agreeing to something. They're all contracts and with the litany of information required (not the least of which is an account that's tied to your e-mail which also has all sorts of personal info attached) it's hard for you as a consumer to remotely try and prove that it wasn't you that signed up or that they deceived you. In fact, you'd be committing fraud by trying to convince them that it wasn't you that signed up. I'm one year into my Law Degree (Jesus, it's been a year already?) and all I have to add is:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2014 14:04:38 GMT -5
I love the WWE fan boys, who will even favor in the side of the WWE when they are legally in the wrong. And I love people that try to hide behind the law but don't understand it. I'm three years into my degree that's gonna let me, oh hey, be a lawyer. This is baseline, introductory course work on contract disputes. They advertised that signing up in a non-trial capacity would require a six month agreement from customers i.e. if you want it, you pay for it for six months even if you only want two. Unless there's a loophole in the terms of service that you agreed to, you're over a barrel. Here's how the law looks at it, your name is attached to the account, as is your personal banking information, the IP they have on record is yours, they likely have a record of data sent to that IP, you paid for at least one month of service without reporting the charges as suspicious activity to your bank, and seemingly had no contact with WWE Network customer service prior to deciding to cancel the service despite agreeing to six months. WWE isn't in the wrong legally, they've offered no less than two trial periods wherein you didn't have to pay for access as long as you cancelled prior to the trial period. Agreeing to terms of service is the same as putting pen to paper or verbally agreeing to something. They're all contracts and with the litany of information required (not the least of which is an account that's tied to your e-mail which also has all sorts of personal info attached) it's hard for you as a consumer to remotely try and prove that it wasn't you that signed up or that they deceived you. In fact, you'd be committing fraud by trying to convince them that it wasn't you that signed up. #HawkLaw I don't really have anything to add here, because everyone's done a bang up job of explaining how the legality of the situation to you. In short, you have no leg to stand on.
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