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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 18:00:54 GMT -5
Del Rio has everything yet the crowd do not care. It is bizarre. I defy people to tell me Del Rio and Bryan getting over 20 minutes on PPV isn't a MOTY candidate. It wouldn't be a MOTY candidate. It would be really good, like the many really good Del Rio matches. But it wouldn't have that something extra that makes a match a classic, like Shield vs. Wyatts this year or Punk vs. Cena at MITB 2011 or last year on Raw. Mathces like that take a really strong connection with the crowd, which Del Rio doesn't have, and and it has to feel special, feel different. For all his crispness and talent, Del Rio is extremely formulaic in the ring. I can't see him breaking that formula enough to have a transcendently great kind of match. His ladder match with Christian was a classic, though that was mostly just due to the story of the match itself and all Christian went through. Alberto certainly wasn't a slouch in it but outside factors are what really made that match as good as it was.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 18:08:33 GMT -5
It wouldn't be a MOTY candidate. It would be really good, like the many really good Del Rio matches. But it wouldn't have that something extra that makes a match a classic, like Shield vs. Wyatts this year or Punk vs. Cena at MITB 2011 or last year on Raw. Mathces like that take a really strong connection with the crowd, which Del Rio doesn't have, and and it has to feel special, feel different. For all his crispness and talent, Del Rio is extremely formulaic in the ring. I can't see him breaking that formula enough to have a transcendently great kind of match. His ladder match with Christian was a classic, though that was mostly just due to the story of the match itself and all Christian went through. Alberto certainly wasn't a slouch in it but outside factors are what really made that match as good as it was. Yeah, I was going to put in a proviso: "unless it's a gimmick match". But, you're right, I'd agree with that being a classic, and he held up his side. You're also right that there was an amazing story going on that had nothing to do with Del Rio. Edge retiring, his brother/best friend getting his shot and winning the big one in his kind of match, all that. Del Rio is better in the gimmick matches, it takes that to break him from his rigid in-ring style/pace.
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Post by ninjachick on Jun 14, 2014 18:57:49 GMT -5
I 100% believe that a 20+ minute Bryan/Del Rio ppv match would be a match of the year contender. Del Rio DOES add that extra something on ppvs. That jumping second rope backstabber that he pulled out on Christian at SummerSlam last year was sweet. He's never done that on t.v. before. He also owns big time in gimmick matches that's why I don't get why people are crying about him being in the MITB ladder match. He has the most ladder matches I BELIEVE out of all the other participants.
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Post by Raskovnik on Jun 14, 2014 19:15:49 GMT -5
I'm glad to see my boy Del Rio getting some love here. Absolutely fantastic performer, easily in the top five in the company, and lots of charisma to boot. People try to pretend he wasn't over as f*** when he had that awesome feud with Big Show (another testament to his talent, how often do you hear those words together?) and that babyface fire during his face run last year. The man is a phenomenal talent and I hope people appreciate that before he's gone. I'd be totally okay with him winning the title and having an AWESOME match with Lesnar because like ninjachick said, I'm not worried about what's "best for business" or "makes sense" (like that ever happens in the WWE), I'm just a fan and want to see my favorite wrestlers do well. I also wouldn't mind if Rollins or Bray somehow won it. I just don't want Cesaro getting it. Not yet, or personally, for me, ever. He's a great wrestler but he bores the hell out of me, especially with Heyman.
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Post by Ragnal on Jun 14, 2014 20:04:18 GMT -5
So far I really want Cesaro to win. I've considered promoting a #pushCesaro tag on Twitter, but...who'd buy it, really.
-Orton's old news now. He doesn't need another title reign, he's better off spending the next forever off. -Del Rio's points have already been expressed in the thread, so I won't bother. -Sheamus was their one homegrown guy that got in good with Triple H by being his weightlifting buddy, but for all his reigns were worth they didn't do him all that much good, being overshadowed by either the Legacy breakup or Cena/Batista or Nexus or 18 seconds and a Del Rio feud. The fact he hasn't touched the main belts since and had to win the US title to be relevant again, only for his win to be overshadowed AGAIN thanks to the Shield/Evolution feud just to get the belt off Ambrose, is telling of his position. -The remaining three guys we know nothing about, but...*sigh* Cena's going to get involved somehow, in a match that should be about the FUTURE of the company and not it's present. This is how low the Money in the Bank ladder matches have gone since the PPV was created.
So I welcome Cesaro. He's fresh. He's different. He's legit strong. I don't care if Heyman putting more effort into talking about his client Brock Lesnar overshadows him, he's not anyone else competing so far.
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Post by ninjachick on Jun 14, 2014 21:22:08 GMT -5
I'm glad to see my boy Del Rio getting some love here. Absolutely fantastic performer, easily in the top five in the company, and lots of charisma to boot. People try to pretend he wasn't over as f*** when he had that awesome feud with Big Show (another testament to his talent, how often do you hear those words together?) and that babyface fire during his face run last year. The man is a phenomenal talent and I hope people appreciate that before he's gone. I'd be totally okay with him winning the title and having an AWESOME match with Lesnar because like ninjachick said, I'm not worried about what's "best for business" or "makes sense" (like that ever happens in the WWE), I'm just a fan and want to see my favorite wrestlers do well. I also wouldn't mind if Rollins or Bray somehow won it. I just don't want Cesaro getting it. Not yet, or personally, for me, ever. He's a great wrestler but he bores the hell out of me, especially with Heyman. ADR is most definitely in the top 5. Hell, Big Show hasn't had a good match since his match with Del Rio at the Elimination Chamber last year. I wouldn't mind if Bray won the title. I just can't do Cena. I'm sick of him. I was thinking the other day, MITB is in Boston, which is kinda sorta Cena's hometown. Wwe 8 times outta 10 don't let the hometown guy/gal win. I'm kinda nervous that if wwe do let Cesaro win that it won't be a satisfying reign for his fans. WWE would've been better off having Cesaro in the briefcase match(if they go that route) instead of the title match IMO. That way they can have time to properly re build his face turn.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 14, 2014 21:39:31 GMT -5
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 14, 2014 22:36:38 GMT -5
Del Rio can't give you a promo for shit.
He's good in the ring, but that's only one phase of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2014 22:42:38 GMT -5
Del Rio can't give you a promo for shit. He's good in the ring, but that's only one phase of the game. Really, I agree with the line of thought I've seen that when you break it down, he isn't good in the ring. He's very crisp and can put on some great work with the right opponents (though his matches with certain people who are great like Sheamus or Cena, Christmas Raw aside, are pretty universally awful), but he's just so robotic about it. He's kind of the opposite of all style, no substance - he doesn't really do anything wrong, but he just mechanically goes through the motions over and over again and he never mixes it up or actually gives you a reason to care. Most great Alberto matches are more about the situation or what his opponent does than anything actually involving him.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jun 14, 2014 22:45:09 GMT -5
Del Rio can't give you a promo for shit. He's good in the ring, but that's only one phase of the game. Really, I agree with the line of thought I've seen that when you break it down, he isn't good in the ring. He's very crisp and can put on some great work with the right opponents (though his matches with certain people who are great like Sheamus or Cena, Christmas Raw aside, are pretty universally awful), but he's just so robotic about it. He's kind of the opposite of all style, no substance - he doesn't really do anything wrong, but he just mechanically goes through the motions over and over again and he never mixes it up or actually gives you a reason to care. Most great Alberto matches are more about the situation or what his opponent does than anything actually involving him. I can agree there. Mechanically sound, almost no real emotion. That's why a match wouldn't be MOTY.
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Post by ninjachick on Jun 15, 2014 11:10:12 GMT -5
Really, I agree with the line of thought I've seen that when you break it down, he isn't good in the ring. He's very crisp and can put on some great work with the right opponents (though his matches with certain people who are great like Sheamus or Cena, Christmas Raw aside, are pretty universally awful), but he's just so robotic about it. He's kind of the opposite of all style, no substance - he doesn't really do anything wrong, but he just mechanically goes through the motions over and over again and he never mixes it up or actually gives you a reason to care. Most great Alberto matches are more about the situation or what his opponent does than anything actually involving him. I can agree there. Mechanically sound, almost no real emotion. That's why a match wouldn't be MOTY. What about Del Rio's matches with Swagger, Big E., Big Show and Ziggler. You trying to say those matches were good because of the opponent? Take the match against Swagger on the 4/19/13 episode of Smackdown. The match against Ziggler on main event last year and the recent fatal 4 way match for the u.s. title on Smackdown. Are you saying those matches were good because of the other guys and not Del Rio? I'm trying to understand what you mean by most of his great matches are because of his opponent or the situation. That implies del rio needs to be carried. The match with Ziggler on main event didn't really have a "situation" behind it at that time and that was IMO the best match I've seen on mainevent since its been on ION.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 15, 2014 12:00:57 GMT -5
Del Rio has everything yet the crowd do not care. It is bizarre. I defy people to tell me Del Rio and Bryan getting over 20 minutes on PPV isn't a MOTY candidate. It wouldn't be a MOTY candidate. It would be really good, like the many really good Del Rio matches. But it wouldn't have that something extra that makes a match a classic, like Shield vs. Wyatts this year or Punk vs. Cena at MITB 2011 or last year on Raw. Mathces like that take a really strong connection with the crowd, which Del Rio doesn't have, and and it has to feel special, feel different. For all his crispness and talent, Del Rio is extremely formulaic in the ring. I can't see him breaking that formula enough to have a transcendently great kind of match. There are a couple of moments in his career when he really could've managed that. Concussion-kicking heel, the early days of his 'destiny' shit and superface Spaniard would all have got that connection.
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Post by The Trashman on Jun 15, 2014 12:56:40 GMT -5
Its probably going to be Cena and Orton each taking one belt.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jun 15, 2014 12:57:23 GMT -5
This seems like a good idea.
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