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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 21, 2014 14:59:45 GMT -5
Here it is Marvel fans, the poll amongst polls! What was the best comic run of the 1980s (or at the very least started or ran through that decade)? Face Front, True Believers, and cast your vote....and as always, feel free to discuss and debate below. Excelsior!!!
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Post by Goldenbane on Jun 21, 2014 15:03:07 GMT -5
Walt Simon's Thor run is some of the best stuff I've ever read. Check out the issue where Thor breaks Loki's arm! I wish he'd act more like that in the movies!!!
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 21, 2014 15:14:42 GMT -5
Walt Simon's Thor run is some of the best stuff I've ever read. Check out the issue where Thor breaks Loki's arm! I wish he'd act more like that in the movies!!! I knew I would forget some major ones, and this certainty qualifies. Another great run to be sure. |
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Post by bluemeii on Jun 21, 2014 15:17:55 GMT -5
Dammit saw the title on the main forum page and immediately thought of that. Another vote for Walt Simonson on Thor from 83-87
Intro Beta Ray Bill
FROG THOR!!!
Surtur Saga
Journey into Hell (death of Executioner)
Might be biased as he's my favorite character but that might have been my favorite run when he was writer/artist during that period.
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Post by JDviant on Jun 21, 2014 16:18:17 GMT -5
Uncanny X-Men had its best run end in 1981 when Byrne left. The 1980's started with the issue before Dazzler's introduction, and Byrne has been co-writing since 1978. He left after the Kitty/Brood issue, and the run from when Byrne started co-writing until his departure is easily the high point of the series, covering Dark Phoenix and Days of Future Past. Claremont had a long, popular run, but Byrne was there writing with him for the best parts.
Fantastic Four was a terrific run at first, and introduced a lot of popular characters and changes to the series. The Invisible Girl became the Invisible Woman, Galactus and Dr. Doom were both returned to the figures of awe they were during the initial Lee/Kirby run, and he even managed to writ a halfway decent Diablo story. NOBODY can make a good Diablo story. Byrne's falling out with Marvel made the last portion of the run pretty lifeless though.
Daredevil needs its timeline adjusted; despite being its artist Miller didn't co-write any issues until 1980, with his solo run starting in 1981. Very good run, short but didn't have a chance to wear out its welcome like some of the longer runs. The only knock I'd really give it is while the writing was very, very good, Miller's layouts and artistic talent were dazzling as well and were a big part of the book continued success. When you factor that in the Byrne, Miller, and Simonson runs are all much more impressive than they would be without that.
Peter David's Hulk run I found to be simply okay, and his most notable work on the series is usually considered to be Future Imperfect which didn't come out until 1992. I really have nothing much to say.
Some very notable runs missing would be the already mentioned Simonson Thor, the Roger Stern Avengers, the Roger Stern Spider-Man Amazing/Spectacular Spider-Man, & Roger Stern's Captain America Basically Roger Stern was the man. But I need to add his Captain America run was ALSO co-written by Byrne - while he was also doing the art!
Honestly I'm not even sure what to pick right now, because I know I'm missing quite a few other amazing runs.
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Post by Sir Woodrow on Jun 21, 2014 16:22:05 GMT -5
I voted Claremont, because even though I loved Peter David's Hulk I consider that more of one Marvel's best runs of the nineties
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 21, 2014 16:27:51 GMT -5
Avengers by Stern was greatness.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 21, 2014 16:31:56 GMT -5
I actually thought about changing the DD timeline, but from the time Miller started as an artist on the book, the whole tone changed to fit what he wanted to do on,the book, which is why I counted his start on DD from where he started as an artist.
As for X-Men, yes, the Byrne period was one of the highlights of that run, but Claremont was able to keep the momentum once Byrne left, and IMO, some of his best stuff happened after Byrne left (The original Brood saga, Mutant Massacre). It wasn't until the Australian period that the lag started to show, and luckily Jim Lee then came along, which seemed to reinvigorate Claremont for the rest of that run.
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Post by JDviant on Jun 21, 2014 16:46:29 GMT -5
Jim Lee only drew 2 issues in the 1980's, 248 and 256. Most of his work would be in the 1990's, so he shouldn't get too much credit for Claremont if we're looking at 80's writers.
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Post by Talent Name on Jun 21, 2014 16:58:00 GMT -5
Steven Grant for his work on the Punisher
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 21, 2014 17:21:23 GMT -5
Jim Lee only drew 2 issues in the 1980's, 248 and 256. Most of his work would be in the 1990's, so he shouldn't get too much credit for Claremont if we're looking at 80's writers. Well, by that criteria, we'd have to take a nice chunk of the Claremont/Byrne team up off the table, as most of that was from the 70s. No, I'm counting the entire run, which happened to run through the 80s. So, yes, the Jim Lee stuff would count, as until Claremont left the X books/Marvel, it was all part of the same run. |
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 21, 2014 17:30:04 GMT -5
I voted Claremont, because even though I loved Peter David's Hulk I consider that more of one Marvel's best runs of the nineties That's fair, and I went back and forth on including it.....but I did because it at least started in the 80s. But yeah, honestly, other than the McFarland stuff, his best stuff on that book would come in the 90s. |
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 21, 2014 17:58:35 GMT -5
In addition to the great runs already mentioned, I'd like to add Bill Mantelo's run on the Hulk and Claremont and Alan Davis' run on Excalibur as well.....it's interesting that while his work on X-Men was dipping, he seemed to be saving his best work from that period for the spin off book (and yes, I know he was building off of groundwork laid by Alan Moore in the late 70s/early 80s, but then again, that criticism can be thrown on a lot of writers). Of course, he seemed to never really leave that Excalibur stuff, as everything he did post coming back to Marvel in the late 90s seemed mired in the stuff he did while on that book.
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Post by Bad Moon on Jun 21, 2014 18:03:00 GMT -5
Hate Claremont's X-Men. The stories are alright, but the dialogue just kills it for me, everyone sounds so awkward in my head when I read it I can't get into the story.
Out of the Marvel superhero line-up it has to be either Simonson's Thor or Miller's Daredevil. But obviously the real answer is Howard the Duck.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 21, 2014 18:17:55 GMT -5
Hate Claremont's X-Men. The stories are alright, but the dialogue just kills it for me, everyone sounds so awkward in my head when I read it I can't get into the story. Out of the Marvel superhero line-up it has to be either Simonson's Thor or Miller's Daredevil. But obviously the real answer is Howard the Duck. Yeah, Claremont's X-Men isn't for everyone, as it's full of both emotion and exposition, which grates on some. I remember reading that Byrne was not a fan, which led to the end of their partnership on X-Men. Of course, I would say a criticism of Byrne's writing is that it's the exact opposite of Claremont's in that it's more cold and cerebral (which one could argue that's what made their team up on X-Men so great, the balance between brain and heart), which worked GREAT for Fantastic Four but not so well on other books. |
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Post by Jam on Jun 21, 2014 18:25:05 GMT -5
I vote for Louise Simonsons run on New Mutants and X-Factor. I loved the story with the New Mutants in Asgard and the original X-Factor book is one of my favorites of all time.
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Post by hossfan on Jun 21, 2014 18:38:55 GMT -5
For me it's Roger Stern's Avengers run, especially the issues done with John Buscema. But Claremont made the X-Men the superhero franchise of the 80s and 90s. His influence was huge.
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 21, 2014 19:00:39 GMT -5
I vote for Louise Simonsons run on New Mutants and X-Factor. I loved the story with the New Mutants in Asgard and the original X-Factor book is one of my favorites of all time. Also good runs....and I love the whole Asgard saga as well, with the beautiful Art Adams art.. His drawing Longshot was about the only time I gave half a crao about that character. |
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Post by BrodietheSlayer on Jun 21, 2014 19:03:55 GMT -5
For me it's Roger Stern's Avengers run, especially the issues done with John Buscema. But Claremont made the X-Men the superhero franchise of the 80s and 90s. His influence was huge. Oh yeah....the stand out for this run, for me, at least, was the whole Masters of Evil invading the mansion storyline. Probably the MOE's greatest moment until the mid 90s and the Thunderbolts. |
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jun 22, 2014 7:18:33 GMT -5
J.M DeMatteis and Mark Gruenwald's Captain America runs are mostly awesome, too. And I whole-heartedly second BrodietheSlayer's mention of Bill Mantlo's work on The Incredible Hulk. |
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