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Post by Andrew is Good on Jun 22, 2014 16:28:46 GMT -5
In regards to high flying and stuff like that, you'd have to go back to Antonino Rocca and Edouward Carpentier. It's tough to figure out who is the first of something because everything in wrestling is stolen.
Honky Tonk Man likes to say he inspired ECW with his big match in the Tupelo concession stand, and Eddie Gilbert was a fan watching that match, but that was a pretty big brawl, but that could be a worker just making it seem bigger, though I have heard a lot of people praise stuff like that. From what I understand, the Memphis territory was big on wild things happening and Jerry Jarrett was criticized actually for a lot of that stuff.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 22, 2014 16:50:07 GMT -5
The legendary Tupelo concession stand brawl and some "sequels" to it were definitely some of the forerunners of what became ECW and hardcore wrestling.
Memphis was a pioneer in and of itself as you state in a lot of ways, and a lot of it rubbed the other territories wrong. The use of celebrities, the early hardcore stuff, the title hotshotting, constant face/heel turns (though usually they had reasons unlike Russorific), a LOT of shooting on the other territories, the goofy gimmicks...they may not have necessarily been the first to use any of those, but man did they really put a lot of it on the map.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 22, 2014 16:54:24 GMT -5
I really don't believe that urban legend to be true. that urban legend being...what? Savage piledriving Morton? That was around '83 or '84. Oh, and on other "Savage did it first" lists, here's one of the earliest promotion invasions, courtesy of Mr. Poffo: I think they're joking that among the firsts list is the urban legend that he had sex with Stephanie.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 22, 2014 17:01:21 GMT -5
Oh, that. Not even on my radar because of how implausible it would even be. Anyone who would stop and actually think out the timeline of events would realize that would never have happened.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Jun 22, 2014 18:37:59 GMT -5
1st "OH MY GOD" when someone get put through a table as well.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Jun 22, 2014 19:49:49 GMT -5
Snuka's cage spot had to be one of the first. If we're just going W/WWF/E, then Scorpio busting out a 450 had to be one of the first for the company. I think it's Gypsy Joe who can lay claim to the first cage dive
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 22, 2014 20:08:42 GMT -5
Snuka's cage spot had to be one of the first. If we're just going W/WWF/E, then Scorpio busting out a 450 had to be one of the first for the company. I think it's Gypsy Joe who can lay claim to the first cage dive And even the famous Snuka/Muraco one isn't even Snuka's first one. He did the same thing once as a heel in a cage match against Backlund...and missed.
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Post by Angus Mcloud on Jun 22, 2014 20:19:21 GMT -5
I think it's Gypsy Joe who can lay claim to the first cage dive And even the famous Snuka/Muraco one isn't even Snuka's first one. He did the same thing once as a heel in a cage match against Backlund...and missed. Which I think takes more balls
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Post by thegame415 on Jun 23, 2014 2:50:57 GMT -5
You're all forgetting the classic Hackenschmidt vs Gotch street fight.
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Post by 67 more on Jun 26, 2014 4:10:20 GMT -5
Wasn't Billy Kidman the first guy to bring the Shooting Star Press to US TV or did someone else do it first in the states? 2 Cold Scorpio did one in ECW, beating Jericho in Jericho's last match there. That was 1996, so that might be before Kidman.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Jun 26, 2014 4:16:25 GMT -5
Wasn't Billy Kidman the first guy to bring the Shooting Star Press to US TV or did someone else do it first in the states? 2 Cold Scorpio did one in ECW, beating Jericho in Jericho's last match there. That was 1996, so that might be before Kidman. Did Liger ever do one in the US before then?
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Post by 67 more on Jun 26, 2014 4:18:44 GMT -5
2 Cold Scorpio did one in ECW, beating Jericho in Jericho's last match there. That was 1996, so that might be before Kidman. Did Liger ever do one in the US before then? I haven't seen him do one but that in no way means that he didn't. I'll have to go hunting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2014 13:11:18 GMT -5
Wasn't Billy Kidman the first guy to bring the Shooting Star Press to US TV or did someone else do it first in the states? For the longest time after seeing Kidman's SSP and reading about how dangerous it was in magazines I figured that's why it was so rarely seen. Then I got my hands on a compilation tape from Japan with Liger and Hayabusa both hitting really graceful looking SSP's and I realized that Kidman just had no clue what the hell he was doing.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 26, 2014 13:17:42 GMT -5
Wasn't Billy Kidman the first guy to bring the Shooting Star Press to US TV or did someone else do it first in the states? For the longest time after seeing Kidman's SSP and reading about how dangerous it was in magazines I figured that's why it was so rarely seen. Then I got my hands on a compilation tape from Japan with Liger and Hayabusa both hitting really graceful looking SSP's and I realized that Kidman just had no clue what the hell he was doing. Yeah Kidman just really threw himself off the top rope.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Jan 27, 2015 0:39:41 GMT -5
Wasn't Billy Kidman the first guy to bring the Shooting Star Press to US TV or did someone else do it first in the states? 2 Cold Scorpio did one in ECW, beating Jericho in Jericho's last match there. That was 1996, so that might be before Kidman. He also used to break out a 450 splash and a moonsault leg drop in ECW. I can't recall seeing anyone else do a leg drop like that. Scorpio was incredible, really.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Jan 27, 2015 1:15:25 GMT -5
First recognized moonsault was done by Chavo Guerrero Sr. Lanny Poffo did a kick flip version in WWF which he barely got to use since he was a canvasback. Anyone in the West pre-date Art Barr's Frog Splash?
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Jan 27, 2015 1:17:42 GMT -5
Also worth noting, 'Jumping' Jim Brunzell and Greg Gagne were known as the High Flyers in the 1970's. Their highest flying spots were probably drop kicks and cross bodies!
Oh how wrestling came such a long way in a short period of time in the lat 1980's!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 7:44:39 GMT -5
Urban legends and a Memphis YouTube video featuring Ken Raper in the same thread.
The first use of fluorescent light tubes in wrestling was in the WWF, rather than any death match style promotions.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jan 28, 2015 23:39:37 GMT -5
I don't think we can talk about highspot pioneers without mentioning Antonino Rocca.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Jan 29, 2015 0:07:14 GMT -5
The legendary Tupelo concession stand brawl and some "sequels" to it were definitely some of the forerunners of what became ECW and hardcore wrestling. Memphis was a pioneer in and of itself as you state in a lot of ways, and a lot of it rubbed the other territories wrong. The use of celebrities, the early hardcore stuff, the title hotshotting, constant face/heel turns (though usually they had reasons unlike Russorific), a LOT of shooting on the other territories, the goofy gimmicks...they may not have necessarily been the first to use any of those, but man did they really put a lot of it on the map. From the Continental footage I have seen from when Eddie Gilbert was in charge,it really feels like a ECW prototype. The "I wanna talk to Tom" angle was shocking back then. Kind of like the Tommy Dreamer "I'm hardcore I will take them both" thing.
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