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Post by Hassan bin Sober on Sept 7, 2014 21:53:15 GMT -5
Just thought about this, anyone think the Doctor using a spoon in his fight with Robin was a reference to Alan Rickman's line in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves? I thought this as soon as I saw it in the previews. Apparently Patrick Throughton as Robin Hood appeared as one of the images they showed.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 8, 2014 0:09:14 GMT -5
I really didn't like this one. Like, I like my Doctor Who silliness as much as the next guy, but this just didn't work for me. I know I tend to engage in hyperbole, but I'd put this right down at the bottom with Love and Monsters and The Twin Dilemma.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 8, 2014 0:56:52 GMT -5
I really didn't like this one. Like, I like my Doctor Who silliness as much as the next guy, but this just didn't work for me. I know I tend to engage in hyperbole, but I'd put this right down at the bottom with Love and Monsters and The Twin Dilemma. What was it that you didn't like?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Sept 8, 2014 1:48:43 GMT -5
I really didn't like this one. Like, I like my Doctor Who silliness as much as the next guy, but this just didn't work for me. I know I tend to engage in hyperbole, but I'd put this right down at the bottom with Love and Monsters and The Twin Dilemma. What was it that you didn't like? The tone, really. I'm not interested in seeing Capaldi's Doctor in silly situations like Eleven often was. If they have to go lighter, I'll take a story like Closing Time, dispersed through the silliness were moments of the Doctor being rather serious. In this, I saw the Doctor being a grump, then being belligerent, then going back to being a grump. On top of that, the placement of the episode is weird to me. The episode comes off like a pointless one off where the status quo was maintained and no character advancement was really made. So, the Doctor learned that some legends are real. Okay? Didn't realize that was a lesson we needed taught. Well, moving on then I guess. This episode felt like it's supposed to be a palate cleanser after huge arc revelations, and yet, the arc's still barely taking shape.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 8, 2014 2:19:55 GMT -5
I wouldn't say no character advancement. The whole 'legends are real' theme seems to be an important one for this Doctor. Last week the whole theme was him unsure of his place as a good man, even allowing his prejudice to almost get everyone killed. In the first episode, all his talk about the promised land, dismissing such a hope as stupid was another aspect of this, as was his talk of having made many mistakes.
This week, he meets a legend he refuses to believe is real, but he is. He's annoyed at the end when he finds out Clara's been telling stories about him as a hero, because he doesn't see himself as one. It looks like this year, and maybe longer, we're going to seen a Doctor who needs to accept himself as a hero, and this episode did move that plot along. As well as another promised land mention that the Doctor is aware of.
I like Capaldi in these situations just because of him being a grump, I love a good snarker and he's one of the best. So you can have the high adventure, a bit of camp even, with the Doctor as the guy pointing out the silliness of it all.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Sept 8, 2014 3:49:20 GMT -5
I wasn't really a fan. There were moments that made me laugh, but I thought the story was very dull and I just couldn't get into it. I found myself browsing the internet in parts with it playing in the background.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 8, 2014 13:32:58 GMT -5
I loved this episode. It was harmless Saturday night popcorn television, which a good deal of Doctor Who was before it got ideas above its station.
Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the epic, serious moments of Doctor Who as much as the next guy, but this is about a millennium old motherf***er riding a broken time machine through historical adventures.
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Sept 8, 2014 15:05:03 GMT -5
Why everyone got to rag on Love and Monsters? It's full of ELO! And ELO trumps oral sex with a disembodied face.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 8, 2014 15:07:48 GMT -5
Perhaps... but even if it could overcome that one thing... it's not enough to overcome everything else wrong with that episode.
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Post by FinalGwen on Sept 8, 2014 15:15:59 GMT -5
This wasn't even a particularly silly episode. Definitely lighter in tone, but it's not like they were running around with buckets of water and taking on a bad parody of Ian Levine like with Love And Monsters. The actual plot was mostly serious when you read it back, with the comedy coming from clashing personalities. I'm just happy to have an episode with some actual colour in it rather than the constant dark blue.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 8, 2014 15:21:09 GMT -5
Why everyone got to rag on Love and Monsters? It's full of ELO! And ELO trumps oral sex with a disembodied face. It's the rest of it that's the problem.
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Post by Jiren on Sept 8, 2014 17:41:59 GMT -5
Why everyone got to rag on Love and Monsters? It's full of ELO! And ELO trumps oral sex with a disembodied face. It's the rest of it that's the problem. Yep and even though it's around 40 mins, I'd rather watch "Timelash" & "Time & The Rani" back to back (I actually don't mind "Twin Dilemma")
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 9, 2014 1:08:08 GMT -5
It's the rest of it that's the problem. Yep and even though it's around 40 mins, I'd rather watch "Timelash" & "Time & The Rani" back to back (I actually don't mind "Twin Dilemma") Thing is, there are hints of good ideas there, they're just written and acted so terribly. An organisation of normal people who've been affected by the Doctor- decent idea if you don't make them a thinly veiled stand in for Who fans. An alien trying to get to the Doctor through the family of his companion- good idea. They even made that part of the Master's plan the following series, but screwed it up again by making Martha's family so damn unlikeable. The moment when the main guy decides to not go through with the plan, and just be Jacki's friend at the moment she finds out about the plan and kicks him out was so close to actually being good.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Sept 9, 2014 4:34:59 GMT -5
Watching the episode right now. Reacting as I go (spoilered just in case) All hail Chris Herohood! So... Clara is picking up the idiot ball bad this episode, isn't she? "Oh some guy is trying to steal the TARDIS. Cool, no biggie. Oh, now he's threatening the Doctor, that's nice. Oh, and now the Doctor is fighting him with a spoon, how droll. Maybe I should help? Hm... nah. Oh, now maybe-Robinhood is trying to murder the Doctor. Truly everything is just swell, no cause for alarm or even surprise." That said, nice to see the Doctor fighting as he IS supposed to be a skilled martial artist and if I'm not mistaken, he's been established to also be a good fencer. It's also a nice change of pace from the "the Doctor never gets into physical violence ever" that has been going on for no real reason for the past few years. Wow, that killing was actually pretty brutal (in a PG sort of way, natch). Good on you to keep the dark tone going, Doctor Who. I like the way they framed it so they didn't have to show actual gore but it still didn't look cheap and it wasn't death by lasers, off-screen fall or another "clean" death. Also, the villain looks A LOT like the Athony Ainley Master. Wonder if it's just a coincidence. So... is Robinhood seriously knowingly going into a trap just to prove he's the best archer? I understand that the sheriff is the bad guy but jeesh, they could could have rounded him a little bit. Wait, the sonic screwdriver can act as a detonator now?! Seriously, is there anything this thing CAN'T do by this point? Say it with me now: "just a flesh wound!" The reveal is pretty cool. It's only a shame the title spoiled the fact that there would be robots. Lol Wilhem scream. Well, THAT death was with a laser, and off-screen... but I must say it was still pretty cool. I'm not even sure why but I find the Doctor's "GUARDS! He's laughing again! You can't keep me locked up with a laughing person!" highly amusing. Glad Clara has apparently let go of the idiot ball. That said, I don't think lampshading the over-reliance on the screwdriver makes it okay to, well, over-rely on it. Seriously? A "first, the X and then, THE WORLD!!" moment? Do they want to hit EVERY bad guy cliché with this guy? I was going to call out the villain's death for being the kind of thing I decried earlier, but that final shot with the hands covered in gold saved it for me. Not impressed with the "Robinhood is real!" reveal though. I like Robinhood's speech at the end. I actually think "not a hero, but pretending to be one for the sake of what's right" is actually a depiction that fits what The Doctor should be well. Overall decent episode. Quite a few things to nitpick, I especially found the villain to be overly one-dimensional, which feels out of place for Doctor Who, but not much to really complain about.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 9, 2014 8:24:15 GMT -5
{Spoiler}So... is Robinhood seriously knowingly going into a trap just to prove he's the best archer?
Yes, that is right out of the legend.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 9, 2014 11:16:45 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}So... is Robinhood seriously knowingly going into a trap just to prove he's the best archer?
Yes, that is right out of the legend. Also, it's what heros do, I've seen it in a few things, it's obviously a trap, but the hero goes in to rescue someone/obtain something/get into a final showdown anyway.
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Sept 9, 2014 11:27:12 GMT -5
Yes, that is right out of the legend. Also, it's what heros do, I've seen it in a few things, it's obviously a trap, but the hero goes in to rescue someone/obtain something/get into a final showdown anyway. Except that's not what he does, he literally just goes there to show off. It was the Doctor who actually planned on being captured.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 9, 2014 11:29:20 GMT -5
Also, it's what heros do, I've seen it in a few things, it's obviously a trap, but the hero goes in to rescue someone/obtain something/get into a final showdown anyway. Except that's not what he does, he literally just goes there to show off. It was the Doctor who actually planned on being captured. He obtained the Golden arrow
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Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on Sept 9, 2014 11:34:03 GMT -5
Except that's not what he does, he literally just goes there to show off. It was the Doctor who actually planned on being captured. He obtained the Golden arrow But he had no plan beyond that. There was no end game. It was "Ha ha! I'm purposefully going into a trap to get some bling! Then I'll get killed and nothing will be accomplished! Ha ha!".
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Sept 9, 2014 11:36:23 GMT -5
He obtained the Golden arrow But he had no plan beyond that. There was no end game. It was "Ha ha! I'm purposefully going into a trap to get some bling! Then I'll get killed and nothing will be accomplished! Ha ha!". Yeah, that's the legend, he goes to prove he's the best archer, knowing it's a trap and then gets caught, but manages to get out with the aid of his merry men. It's what he does. It's only stupid if you die.
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