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Post by thegame415 on Jul 4, 2014 0:23:19 GMT -5
Well he not wrong on this matter but his style isn't any better. Jim is a great personality and a fun guy to listen too but he too old for book current generation of wrestlers. That just the reality of it all. It's like he knows what wrestling should be but he only knows how to book it as if it was the 80's. The same brand of entertainment that's C show was getting higher ratings than an A show. Can people please stop the sports entertainment rants and realize that's what makes money? Not saying you have to agree with it, or even like it. It doesn't always make money. TNA problem is they are booking like the WWE and Fans want something different. They want a choice. Just because WWE makes a ton of money doesn't mean ALL wrestling needs to be like them to be successful and that what all wrestling fans want. I mean if everyone was like the WWE it would be like the only restaurant in the world is McDonald's. Not everyone wants that and people like the idea of there's other things. What wrestling needs is a place that is more adult related. WWE can have the PG and the kids and someone else can target the older people. Fans want options. That what made the Monday night wars great because we had a choice and WCW and WWE wasn't the same. They where not booking there angles the SAME way. TNA is so much like WWE it's sad. I agree with you to some extent. But when WCW was at its peak with the NWO, that was pretty sports entertainment like. |
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Post by tms on Jul 4, 2014 7:29:13 GMT -5
Well he not wrong on this matter but his style isn't any better. Jim is a great personality and a fun guy to listen too but he too old for book current generation of wrestlers. That just the reality of it all. It's like he knows what wrestling should be but he only knows how to book it as if it was the 80's. It doesn't always make money. TNA problem is they are booking like the WWE and Fans want something different. They want a choice. Just because WWE makes a ton of money doesn't mean ALL wrestling needs to be like them to be successful and that what all wrestling fans want. I mean if everyone was like the WWE it would be like the only restaurant in the world is McDonald's. Not everyone wants that and people like the idea of there's other things. What wrestling needs is a place that is more adult related. WWE can have the PG and the kids and someone else can target the older people. Fans want options. That what made the Monday night wars great because we had a choice and WCW and WWE wasn't the same. They where not booking there angles the SAME way. TNA is so much like WWE it's sad. I agree with you to some extent. But when WCW was at its peak with the NWO, that was pretty sports entertainment like. How so? |
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Post by kingoftheindies on Jul 4, 2014 8:45:57 GMT -5
The Cornette/Heyman OVW comparisons were interesting when Kenny Bolin (longtime OVW manager and Cornette's buddy) buried Heyman, saying stuff like his shows tanked house show gates around the area, etc. I thought it was odd since Heyman to me was doing exactly what someone booking developmental should do, namely get guys over on TV and put them in storylines designed to showcase them for the main WWE office. Maybe Cornette was trying to serve two different masters in OVW, in that he had to placate the WWE office yet also felt he had to push local shows like he was booking a territory. The issue was that while OVW was WWE's developmental territory, WWE did not own OVW. So the people involved with OVW didn't like WWE telling them what to do. As for Cornette, he knows a lot and there's a lot he's woefully ignorant to anymore. At the same time, He realizes that he can make money complaining about WWE and TNA so that's what he's going to do. |
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Post by Can you afford to pay me, Gah on Jul 4, 2014 10:55:08 GMT -5
Well he not wrong on this matter but his style isn't any better. Jim is a great personality and a fun guy to listen too but he too old for book current generation of wrestlers. That just the reality of it all. It's like he knows what wrestling should be but he only knows how to book it as if it was the 80's. It doesn't always make money. TNA problem is they are booking like the WWE and Fans want something different. They want a choice. Just because WWE makes a ton of money doesn't mean ALL wrestling needs to be like them to be successful and that what all wrestling fans want. I mean if everyone was like the WWE it would be like the only restaurant in the world is McDonald's. Not everyone wants that and people like the idea of there's other things. What wrestling needs is a place that is more adult related. WWE can have the PG and the kids and someone else can target the older people. Fans want options. That what made the Monday night wars great because we had a choice and WCW and WWE wasn't the same. They where not booking there angles the SAME way. TNA is so much like WWE it's sad. I agree with you to some extent. But when WCW was at its peak with the NWO, that was pretty sports entertainment like. Yes and no because the NWO angle was different then anything ever done before. It drew so well because we started in what fans thought was another company invading. It was booked as the NWO where cool and hip but wanting to take control of the company. While they that WWE was still all cartoonly with gimmicks. The NWO wasn't all gimmicky and felt real. I don't think it was that sports entertainment because most of the NWO did was attacks and fighting. It wasn't a bunch of silly stuff. |
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 4, 2014 13:53:43 GMT -5
All pro wrestling is sports entertainment in my eyes, puro included.
Of course I just call it "wrestling", but it's just a lot easier for me if I think of them as the same concept.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Jul 4, 2014 13:59:43 GMT -5
Cornette's terrible. All he does is complain and he's been complaining about the same people for years. Nothing is his fault, nah its always somebody else. It's old. This, this, this, this, this, THIS, THIS!!!! Shut the f*** up, you tennis racket carrying clownshoe. |
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Post by amaron on Jul 4, 2014 14:35:09 GMT -5
Jim Cornette to me has always been the perfect example of someone believing his own hype.
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Post by benstudd on Jul 4, 2014 15:52:41 GMT -5
It puzzles me a bit how everyone was automatically "Christy is bound to suck at this job!" Like, jeez, give her a chance. Why is it that she automatically is going to be bad at it? And it always baffles me that there's always some hero that defends Christy.  I think what Corny means in all this is that all these guys have little experience in running a company and make it work. Two of them are writers, yes. But again, TNA doesn't have a true booker. Someone who's goal is thinking about the bottom line to generate money. Not writing these little stories. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2014 21:14:56 GMT -5
It puzzles me a bit how everyone was automatically "Christy is bound to suck at this job!" Like, jeez, give her a chance. Why is it that she automatically is going to be bad at it? And it always baffles me that there's always some hero that defends Christy. I think what Corny means in all this is that all these guys have little experience in running a company and make it work. Two of them are writers, yes. But again, TNA doesn't have a true booker. Someone who's goal is thinking about the bottom line to generate money. Not writing these little stories. Oh, we're just taking shots now? Can't say I have the slightest bit of interest in that. My position is: Wait and see what someone produces before automatically assuming they're going to be bad in the role. That's not unreasonable. |
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 5, 2014 1:16:28 GMT -5
It's easier to make a list over the people in wrestling Jim likes in pro wrestling. Cornette still has a place in wrestling but his views about what makes pro wrestling is too ancient for modern wrestling. It works for regional companies like OVW but not for something like ROH. He tries to book and wants promotions to be like 70's/80's Southern style promotions (which heavily influenced him). I don't mind seeing stuff like that but I know that isn't everyone's forte. Unfortunately for Jim, he can't handle it when others don't share his same vision and lashes out in a way that totally moots his whole disagreement with said person(s). Ring of Smokey Mountain didn't work. TNA would greatly benefit with K.I.S.S. booking though.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Jul 5, 2014 2:24:08 GMT -5
I am by no means a TNA fan currently, but stop giving this asshole any sort of limelight. He's never been a good booker. SMW sucked and he almost killed Ring of Honor. He's just as bad if not worse in certain aspects than Russo.  |
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Post by AtomSmasher on Jul 5, 2014 4:47:49 GMT -5
He always talks a good game (much like lots of pro wrestling bookers/ex-bookers): But has he actually done anything notable or successful since being The Midnight Expresse's mouth-piece a million years ago?  |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 5, 2014 5:11:19 GMT -5
It puzzles me a bit how everyone was automatically "Christy is bound to suck at this job!" Like, jeez, give her a chance. Why is it that she automatically is going to be bad at it? And it always baffles me that there's always some hero that defends Christy. I think what Corny means in all this is that all these guys have little experience in running a company and make it work. Two of them are writers, yes. But again, TNA doesn't have a true booker. Someone who's goal is thinking about the bottom line to generate money. Not writing these little stories. TNA has had a parade of old school bookers that did nothing for them, Jerry Jarrett, Dusty Rhodes (Remember how much fun that was to watch?), Cornette, Mantell (Ring Ka King was all him and it was a throwback booked around Matt freskin' Morgan)... They've also had 90s guys like Jeff Jarrett, Russo, Ferrara and Bischoff and that didn't help either so TNA has little to lose by trying something fresh. Cornette seems to have a huge chip on his shoulder when it comes to people on booking teams that didn't compete for the NWA at some point in the 1980s or didn't get into wrestling the right way... like being discovered at a bar or gym, bodybuilding, failing at football and needing a plan B or being someone's son. I'm yet to see a compelling reason why Christy shouldn't get a shot on creative from the likes of Cornette or anyone. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 5, 2014 5:15:20 GMT -5
He always talks a good game (much like lots of pro wrestling bookers/ex-bookers): But has he actually done anything notable or successful since being The Midnight Expresse's mouth-piece a million years ago? He put his money where his mouth is and founded Smokey Mountain and bought into OVW and helped nurture two generations of talent who'd go on to do big things. Whatever you think of him as a booker and person, he deserves credit for that. |
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Jul 5, 2014 6:40:27 GMT -5
He always talks a good game (much like lots of pro wrestling bookers/ex-bookers): But has he actually done anything notable or successful since being The Midnight Expresse's mouth-piece a million years ago? He put his money where his mouth is and founded Smokey Mountain and bought into OVW and helped nurture two generations of talent who'd go on to do big things. Whatever you think of him as a booker and person, he deserves credit for that. To be more specific: SMW, he helped nurture and tutor the likes of Tammy Sytch, Chris Candido, Lance Storm, Chris Jericho, New Jack, Kane. During that time, he is also the "American spokesman" for Yokozuna during his HOF-worthy run as the greatest heel to have held the WWE title (Corny got a Wrestlemania main event because of that association). He also manages Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith, and Vader all of whom had success as heels in the WWE during that time. After he closes SMW ( unlike Mr. Heyman's indie promotion, SMW never declared bankruptcy), he spends time on the booking team in the WWE during the pre-Attitude era period of 1997. A lot of the ideas that came from Corny, collaborating with Bruce Pritchard, Russo, JR, and McMahon laid the groundwork for the era that saw WWE finally destroy WCW. His KC Timeline on WWE' 1997 is a fascinating tale on how a company that was on the brink of failure did the impossible and turned the tables to be truly dominant in pro wrestling. Afterward, during his time in OVW (just as he did in SMW), he again nurtures up and coming talent who would become and still remain main event talent in WWE : Randy Orton, Dave Batista, Brock Lesnar, John Cena. Didn't two of those 4 main event Wrestlemania 30? Cornette had been a mentor to those guys. The guy knows wrestling. Period. And he usually defers to those who know more about wrestling than he does. It is just that guys like Vince Russo know Jack about pro wrestling. |
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 5, 2014 7:49:41 GMT -5
All I'm gonna say on the matter...just find it funny when EVERYONE here does the exact same thing Cornette does (and yeah it can be repetitive), yet he gets bashed for it. Just sayin. Thank god someone said it. I thought I was going crazy here. This place is pretty much 95% TNA bashing (not saying they don't deserve it, though). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2014 8:49:38 GMT -5
The thing about Cornette is that whilst he raises some good points at times, because all he seems to do is b**** all the time, some of it about things that majority of people think don't need b******* about or where he is just plain wrong that his good points get drowned out by a wave of "Ugh this again, please go away"
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Post by Freddy BooJangles on Jul 5, 2014 9:02:17 GMT -5
Jimbo its not the 1980's or hell its not the 1970's anymore. We're in the 2010's.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Jul 5, 2014 9:15:08 GMT -5
Holy crap I forgot Christy Hemme was on the booking team. LOLTNA. She's been involved in wrestling for about 10 years now. Other than "Duhhhh, purty girl's don't know about rasslin'", what is the argument for not giving her a chance? |
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Post by percymania on Jul 5, 2014 9:22:57 GMT -5
Holy crap I forgot Christy Hemme was on the booking team. LOLTNA. She's been involved in wrestling for about 10 years now. Other than "Duhhhh, purty girl's don't know about rasslin'", what is the argument for not giving her a chance? I have no idea if she has any writing experience or not. |
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